The legal right of students to learn FSMism, in schools along side of evolution. Options

[illumineering]

the main point here is to examine the scientific procedure. A scientific theory is based on facts and research. Evolution fits into this. ID simply does not. It isn't really even the issue of seperation of church and state. ID is just not a scientific theory, so it has no place in a classroom based on science. i won a debate last year against my teacher on this because my debate partner was almost a mute and never did a damn thing. She asked me why i didn't just bring up church and state, it was simple. I didn't want an easy typical win. Plus this is something i actually care about. I'm an atheist, and i would find it an insult to the theory of evolution for ID to be taught alongside it. Just like when they put the LRE kids in the classes and they just make noises and distract the studenst...not to sound to harsh, but it's a lot like that...poor evolution.

Your teacher quite possibly let you think you won by not engaging the illogical nature of your argument. You actually would lose the debate based on your own definitions.

First point

the main point here is to examine the scientific procedure.

Second point

ID is just not a scientific theory, so it has no place in a classroom based on science.

Third point

I'm an atheist, and i would find it an insult to the theory of evolution for ID to be taught alongside it.

You broke your own rule by stepping outside the content of the first point in the third one. You also opened the counter argument of the validity of non-scientific explanations of the origins of life and the universe.

The null value of atheism relative to ID/creationism is in actuality another non-scientific rationale for your argument.

I would not tout yourself as the winner of the debate in the future. It is my belief that you were allowed to save face and simply not humiliated for the sake of a victory.

I didn't want an easy typical win.

Good for your because the GRACE and maturity of your teacher far outweighs the obvious ego-driven need you have for superiority at your own expense. Learn the value of humility before someone thrashes you in public.

[LordAwesome]

my point is that even overlooking the religious conotations of ID it still has no place in a scientific class, as it is not based upon fact. and i compared it to a retard screaming in the back of the class, it would be a distraction. just as your over critical analysis of my post was a distraction from that point. Seperation of church and state is used too much, and it's too broad. so your psychoanalysis really has nothing to do with the validity of my statements...it's actually just a logical fallacy...argumentum ad hominem.