Death Penalty, is it right or wrong? Options

[EmeraldKnight]

What about hiring another one? Well, not hiring, but requesting? Searching for another free one? Also, this is why people should pay attention in civics class.  Haha. Seriously, if they've seen the lawyer fail, if the person is truly determined and knows they're innocent, they'll find a way to prove it.

I never took civics class
Ok well, think about this, some foreigner immigrates and he gets framed for a crime, but he has no idea how our judicial system works, and he doenst know if its a bad lawyer and he doesnt request one and gets convicted for a crime he didnt do while the real murder walks free and he dies, is that just?

I never said there weren't innocent people going to jail anyways. Your intent is to help out the most people, correct? Did you disreguard my whole comment about that up there from before? 

Erm... you know I wear glasses! Maybe I didnt see it *is still trying to think of that comment..* and "to help out the most ppl" that reminds me of communism.. haha

[*Kathleen*]

I never took civics class 
Ok well, think about this, some foreigner immigrates and he gets framed for a crime, but he has no idea how our judicial system works, and he doenst know if its a bad lawyer and he doesnt request one and gets convicted for a crime he didnt do while the real murder walks free and he dies, is that just?

Well, they do have to study our country's government before becoming a citizen. They can't be tried in an American justice system unless they're a citizen first. If they commit the crime, they'd be deported. Also, if the citizen knew enough about our country, they wouldn't risk having to be deported by killing someone.

that reminds me of communism.. haha

[EmeraldKnight]

Well, they do have to study our country's government before becoming a citizen. They can't be tried in an American justice system unless they're a citizen first. If they commit the crime, they'd be deported. Also, if the citizen knew enough about our country, they wouldn't risk having to be deported by killing someone.

Have you listened to me at all? I asked what if they were FRAMED and didnt know about our country enough.. ok, say there were ppl living here for a while and were citizens, but they didnt know how our judicial system worked and where framed, then what?

[*Kathleen*]

Ahh...I didn't read into it. Sorry. Hmm...what are the chances of being framed, being a foreigner, and having a bad lawyer? Slim to none. If you're going to come up with a scenario, couldn't it be something that's not so...ack can't think of the word...you know what I mean.

[EmeraldKnight]

Ahh...I didn't read into it. Sorry.  Hmm...what are the chances of being framed, being a foreigner, and having a bad lawyer? Slim to none. If you're going to come up with a scenario, couldn't it be something that's not so...ack can't think of the word...you know what I mean. 

Haha, fine then.. what if one was framed, but the prosecution had one of the best lawyers, and the DA was realli desperate to get you convicted, to set as an example or something.. that's a bit more realistic (that's word I believe you wanted)

[ComradeRed]

Haha, fine then.. what if one was framed, but the prosecution had one of the best lawyers, and the DA was realli desperate to get you convicted, to set as an example or something.. that's a bit more realistic (that's word I believe you wanted)

I will support the death penalty on one condition: If someone is executed and later found to be innocent, the DA prosecuting the case should be executed.

That should create more legal caution.

[*Kathleen*]

Haha, fine then.. what if one was framed, but the prosecution had one of the best lawyers, and the DA was realli desperate to get you convicted, to set as an example or something.. that's a bit more realistic (that's word I believe you wanted)

*Points* THAT'S the word I wanted! Thanks. Anywho, um...well, why would they be really desperate?

[*Kathleen*]

I will support the death penalty on one condition: If someone is executed and later found to be innocent, the DA prosecuting the case should be executed.

That should create more legal caution.

*Laughs* GOOD JOB MINDA! Haha. That's using the "eye for an eye" theory.

[EmeraldKnight]

I will support the death penalty on one condition: If someone is executed and later found to be innocent, the DA prosecuting the case should be executed.

That should create more legal caution.

Erm.. wouldnt that cause a shortage of DA's by being afraid to prosecute capital charges?

*Points* THAT'S the word I wanted! Thanks.  Anywho, um...well, why would they be really desperate?

If they needed a scapegoat, to set an example, etc..

[Spirited Away]

I heard lots of stuff about lawyers, so here's a try to give them a good name.

One defense lawyer may be bad, but if you're on death row there are many chances for you to get acquittals and get yourself another lawyer. Not all defense attornies are that bad.

Sometimes, you just can't argue that someone's innocent when they're not. This doesn't reflect on a lack of skills on the lawyer's part, but if someone's guilty, then it's very hard to prove them innocent. Give court appointed lawyers a break.

[EmeraldKnight]

Sometimes, you just can't argue that someone's innocent when they're not. This doesn't reflect on a lack of skills on the lawyer's part, but if someone's guilty, then it's very hard to prove them innocent. Give court appointed lawyers a break

What? I acknowledge that.. but what if they truly ARE innocent?

[Spirited Away]

What? I acknowledge that.. but what if they truly ARE innocent?

They get acquittals, many chances to prove their innocence.

Why would they be involved in the first place?

[EmeraldKnight]

Why would they be involved in the first place?

Um.. because they were in the wrong place at the wrong time perhaps?

[ComradeRed]

Erm.. wouldnt that cause a shortage of DA's by being afraid to prosecute capital charges?


If they needed a scapegoat, to set an example, etc..

No that just makes DAs less likely to seek the death penalty unless they're absolutely sure that the person is guilty.

It would help prevent them from using it to further political ends, and also reduce the incentive to cheat.

[EmeraldKnight]

Minda! You stay out of this so I have a chance.. its what.. 3 on 1 here?

[ComradeRed]

Minda! You stay out of this so I have a chance.. its what.. 3 on 1 here?

It's been done before.

[EmeraldKnight]

But it's still not nice, I'll wait for someone to join me before I make more arguments then

[*NatiMarie*]

don't worry I'm here too...you can throw it all at me...=\.
Take that back, just throw all the issues at EmeraldKnight
J/k...ok, let's see what we're discussing right now: DAs (for those who don't know: district attorneys) ok, I'm just not even gonna mention it...

[Spirited Away]

Um.. because they were in the wrong place at the wrong time perhaps?

How often would that happen?

Juries aren't so anal that they do not consider that possibility when they make a decision.

[princess2113]

How often would that happen?

Juries aren't so anal that they do not consider that possibility when they make a decision.

yeah i dunt think so...but y the death penalty?? i mean u r supposed to learn frum punishment...if u punish them by killing them they cant learn frum that..n they dunt have to b/c they wont b here nemore....if ur gonna say to teach the public..thats not rite...u shuldnt kill sume1 to teach the other ppl...as long as they arent on the streets to do more things we are safe...if they r in jail they r being punished n learning...and yes...we wuld b doing the rite thing by letting God decide(i dunt care if u believe it or not rite now) so our priority is to stay safe..we can be just as safe with them locked up ((not to many escapes ppl)) as if they r dead...

[Spirited Away]

yeah i dunt think so...but y the death penalty?? i mean u r supposed to learn frum punishment...if u punish them by killing them they cant learn frum that..n they dunt have to b/c they wont b here nemore....if ur gonna say to teach the public..thats not rite...u shuldnt kill sume1 to teach the other ppl...as long as they arent on the streets to do more things we are safe...if they r in jail they r being punished n learning...and yes...we wuld b doing the rite thing by letting God decide(i dunt care if u believe it or not rite now) so our priority is to stay safe..we can be just as safe with them locked up ((not to many escapes ppl)) as if they r dead...

I don't think the death penalty is much of a learning tool. You already know killing is bad from your morals.

Capital punishment is used to instill fear. It wouldn't a lesson to learn from, it something that you know you should not do because you can die from doing it.

[*NatiMarie*]

Isn't it a worse punishment knowing that you will be detained from social life and living your life condemned in a cell? It just depends on how you look at it, to the prisoners, it's an easy way out to just be killed, but they will suffer long and hard if they are closed up in a cell...

[ComradeRed]

Isn't it a worse punishment knowing that you will be detained from social life and living your life condemned in a cell? It just depends on how you look at it, to the prisoners, it's an easy way out to just be killed, but they will suffer long and hard if they are closed up in a cell...

After I stage my military coup I will free all the prisoners in the Country and make them serve 3 years in my Grand Imperial Army. So they do have hope of release after a life sentence.

[EmeraldKnight]

After I stage my military coup I will free all the prisoners in the Country and make them serve 3 years in my Grand Imperial Army. So they do have hope of release after a life sentence.

Minda! Be realistic!

[ComradeRed]

Minda! Be realistic!

I think they'd be a great addition. I won't put them in my Elite Forces, obviously, but I can recruit them into a mass swarm of conscripts that will descend upon recalcitrant old Republican forces like a swarm of locusts upon a harvest field!