Creation or Evolution?, Which do you believe in? Options

[kalyps0]

I believe in creation. Though evolution can tie in with it in some points. According to the Bible it only took days for God to make the Earth. But the Earth has been around a LOT longer than it says in the Bible... I think God's "Days" were longer than ours..it could have been spans of hundreds of years for him. How else could you fit in the dinosaurs and all that... But I don't think we came from apes. Sure there may be species close to use but so what. There are tons of others out there as well.

[Spirited Away]

If we evolved, what purpose does anyone have? Why live?

So just because we evolve, we don't have a purpose to live? I'm confused.

Different people have different purposes. Yours may seem to be meaningful, but that doesn't mean everyone else is eating dust.
Look at me, I think mankind evolve and I have A LOT to live for. And though these things may not mean much to you as they do to me, that just means we all value life differently. Isn't this part of free will?

[CrimsonArchangel]

Wait... Fae... me confoosed. How can you believe humans evolved *and* believe in a Creator? Unless you mean that the Creator created humans perhaps in a "lower state" and then they evolved into what they are now...

[Spirited Away]

Wait... Fae... me confoosed. How can you believe humans evolved *and* believe in a Creator?    Unless you mean that the Creator created humans perhaps in a "lower state" and then they evolved into what they are now...

I am Agnostic with Humanist and Deist tendencies. I choose to believe in a Creator who created and left us to our devices (mutation, evolution, genes... etc... morality, good vs evil, good cop vs bad cop). This is a better explanation to me than the Big Bang until proven otherwise.

If I were to say that the Creator created perfect beings like Adam and Eve millions of years ago, I would discredit everything I've said thus far in all of createblog's religious topics.

[sikdragon]

adam and eve were not perfect.

[Spirited Away]

They were said to be perfect physically.

Or do you argue with the fact that Adam and Eve were created from God's own image?

[ComradeRed]

If we evolved, what purpose does anyone have? Why live?

To... be happy?

What does finding meaning in life have to do with how we got here? There is no reason that anyone should have to live save for his own happiness. Some people find happiness in God -- which is perfectly fine. But not everyone does.

[christiee_nax]

well im catholic so my religion believes in creation.

[sikdragon]

They were said to be perfect physically.

Or do you argue with the fact that Adam and Eve were created from God's own image?

It says "in our image" in Genesis. Image is not substance. If they were perfect in all their ways they could not be swayed with the temptation of knowledge.

To... be happy?

What does finding meaning in life have to do with how we got here? There is no reason that anyone should have to live save for his own happiness. Some people find happiness in God -- which is perfectly fine. But not everyone does. 

There is no real happiness outside of God, just earthly pleasures which are like chinese food, they leave you nothing more than content in less than an hour. It has a lot to do with how we got here. If existence has no purpose, death should have no bearing on our actions. Why is survival built into our primal instincts?

[*Weird addiction*]

EVOLUTION baby,"god" doesnt exist

[sikdragon]

He still loves you, whether you believe him or not.

[Spirited Away]

It says "in our image" in Genesis. Image is not substance. If they were perfect in all their ways they could not be swayed with the temptation of knowledge.

So you're saying that God created an IMPERFECT being? Okay, lets argue from here then. CrimsonAngel thinks differently than you and I had to argue her way, now I will settle this from your views.

So God created us to be imperfect and therefore we were easily swayed by temptation. Yet, we are punished because we are created with such a flaw. This makes God very hypocritical. He punishes for something that he begot in the first place?

There is no real happiness outside of God, just earthly pleasures which are like chinese food, they leave you nothing more than content in less than an hour. It has a lot to do with how we got here. If existence has no purpose, death should have no bearing on our actions. Why is survival built into our primal instincts?

Pleasures rendered from physical needs differ from ones created from our emotional needs. Pleasure in eating Chinese food will not bring me pleasure of love from parents/child, man/woman, friendship. If you think life is about physical pleasures and the only one who can sate any happiness beyond that, then you live a pretty sad life. I don't mean to offend, but from what I can deduct, you don't seem to care too much about people who loves you because you only see God has your happiness.

Existence is purpose in itself. Life, love, happiness, sadness..etc are part of existence and can never be removed. Death takes away life, love, happiness, therefore Death yields to our primal instinct to survive because we want to live, feel love and happiness.

[sikdragon]

So you're saying that God created an IMPERFECT being?  Okay, lets argue from here then. CrimsonAngel thinks differently than you and I had to argue her way, now I will settle this from your views.

So God created us to be imperfect and therefore we were easily swayed by temptation. Yet, we are punished because we are created with such a flaw. This makes God very hypocritical. He punishes for something that he begot in the first place? 

What you call a flaw, is actually a gift, we get to see what's behind door one and two and then get to choose. God is not hypocritical never has been and never will be. He doesn't punish anyone we punish ourselves. He is forced by his nature to allow us to get the reward we choose.

Pleasures rendered from physical needs differ from ones created from our emotional needs. Pleasure in eating Chinese food will not bring me pleasure of love from parents/child, man/woman, friendship. If you think life is about physical pleasures and the only one who can sate any happiness beyond that, then you live a pretty sad life. I don't mean to offend, but from what I can deduct, you don't seem to care too much about people who loves you because you only see God has your happiness.

Existence is purpose by itself. Life, love, happiness, sadness..etc are part of existence and can never be removed. Death takes away life, love, happiness yields to our primal instinct to survive because we want to live, feel love and happiness.

Love comes from God, it is transmitted through a "middle man" and shown unto you. Imagine we evolved from apes. Randomly emotions just began to come into play, no they wouldnt be there. Evolution and it's theories are full of holes. If we evolved, then their would be no purpose and survival wouldn't matter. Earthly pleasures are like a meal of chinese food.

[Spirited Away]

What you call a flaw, is actually a gift, we get to see what's behind door one and two and then get to choose. God is not hypocritical never has been and never will be. He doesn't punish anyone we punish ourselves. He is forced by his nature to allow us to get the reward we choose.

Ah, so it is a gift that we be easily tempted by the Devil? Isn't that a lousy gift? He gave us a gift that will make us punishable. Without this gift we can be strong and fight the Devil so why give us something that amounts to weakness and punish us? We cannot punish ourselves for something that we were born with. I do not punish myself for my nature to sin because to sin is a very human thing to do. After all, God created us to sin.

Love comes from God, it is transmitted through a "middle man" and shown unto you. Imagine we evolved from apes. Randomly emotions just began to come into play, no they wouldnt be there. Evolution and it's theories are full of holes. If we evolved, then their would be no purpose and survival wouldn't matter. Earthly pleasures are like a meal of chinese food.

If we were created then evolved, we would still be capable of emotions (my point of view). Lets look at this differently though. Even if we evolved without creation, experiences will make us capable of emotion. There are many who believe that emotions are nothing more than chemicals working together. Also, animals supposedly have no souls (a favored Christian belief), but they still have the instinct to protect their children. This is a kind of love.

[ComradeRed]

There is no real happiness outside of God, just earthly pleasures which are like chinese food, they leave you nothing more than content in less than an hour. It has a lot to do with how we got here. If existence has no purpose, death should have no bearing on our actions. Why is survival built into our primal instincts?

If you are content for the next hour, and the next hour after that, and every hour... Then isn't that the same as being content constantly?

Everyone defines his own happiness. Happiness is in your own mind -- only you know what it is.

[Spirited Away]

If you are content for the next hour, and the next hour after that, and every hour... Then isn't that the same as being content constantly?

Everyone defines his own happiness. Happiness is in your own mind -- only you know what it is.

Yup, every love is different and happiness works the same way.

[Oreo_bro]

Creation.

mostly because of one thing.

To "evolve" is to become better.

What has happended to sea turtles since the "time they first appeared on earth"? they haev shrank in size big time *Ever hear of a giant sea turtle? jeez*. Also a lot of tree's grew smaller, along with other animals and things.

Now, correct me if im wrong, but if they shrink in size, they are not evolving right? No..they are adapting..which is where it hink darwin and his finch experiment is faulted.

Take a study done to finches by scientists in the United states. Scientists took finches from one side of the country and put them in another state on the other side of the country in a different enviroment, and did the same witht he finches of the state. They found in a 20 year period that their beaks (the decendants of some of the finches, and some of the origonal finches) adapted to the change in food, however when they were put back into their origonal state the beaks of the finiches changed again, adapting to the new enviroment, which if u used the words evolve..it would be "de-voultion" since the beaks returned to normal.

One last thing, people have been breading dogs for hundreds of years and they have changed little yet they still mate with other dogs. Now, if theys till mate with other "dogs" then they havent evolved..take us and monkeys, u dont see us mating with monkeys do u :P

[Spirited Away]

Creation.

mostly because of one thing.

To "evolve" is to become better.

What has happended to sea turtles since the "time they first appeared on earth"? they haev shrank in size big time *Ever hear of a giant sea turtle? jeez*. Also a lot of tree's grew smaller, along with other animals and things.

That is absurd.

If you think that evolve=bigger=better, then you require some serious biology lesson as well as philosophy and logic.

Bigger is not always better. Period.

Turtles may have changed their sizes simply because they will live better that way. They can be a little more agile and can easier hide from their predators. Of course, this may not be true for all species, but the logic fits.

Snakes have evolved. They no longer have legs. This makes them smaller, yet they are more equipt to survive. They can have live birth instead of eggs which make their young less vunerable to their predators.

Being bigger doesn't mean that they have more chance of survival.

[sikdragon]

that snake example is not a good one. Lack of legs is more of a curse than a blessing. It would be devolution.

Ill get the happiness one later.

[*tweeak*]

i believe in creation, but i also believe that we have evolved since creation

[dreamerOi]

i need more evidence on both to side with one. so im indifferent.

[Spirited Away]

that snake example is not a good one. Lack of legs is more of a curse than a blessing. It would be devolution.

Ill get the happiness one later.

A lack of legs made them quieter and more agile for their shape. You did not address the fact that they reproduce by live birth now instead of eggs...

Fishes do not have legs, are they cursed as well?

[sikdragon]

to evolve would be to become more sophisticated. Losing limbs isnt evolution, regardless their new found abilities. Fishes never had legs to lose and didnt devolve to the extent of our knowledge.

Ha HA HA

Yup, every love is different and happiness works the same way.

Yes every love is different and so is every happiness, but what isnt different is it's source.

If you are content for the next hour, and the next hour after that, and every hour... Then isn't that the same as being content constantly?

what does that have to do with what i said?

[ComradeRed]

Yes every love is different and so is every happiness, but what isnt different is it's source.

Why not?

The reason different kinds of happiness are different is preciselyt because they have different sources.

Love from a girlfriend is different from love from a dog. Similarly, happiness from God is different from happiness from Chinese food.

But they are both happiness.

[waccoon]

to evolve would be to become more sophisticated. Losing limbs isnt evolution, regardless their new found abilities. Fishes never had legs to lose and didnt devolve to the extent of our knowledge.

Ha HA HA



Yes every love is different and so is every happiness, but what isnt different is it's source.



what does that have to do with what i said?

Losing those same limbs may be a positive change for snakes. If you consider a snake's shape, limbs would be bulky and slow. A human's limbs, however, are not. Fish [not fishes] never had to adapt to the land.