Creation or Evolution?, Which do you believe in? Options

[espionage]

Have fun!

New point:
Christianity came from the Jews, whose religion came from ages ago. Maybe before all those other religions.

The problem is, according to the Bible, it _was_ the first religion, but that's only valid if you believe in the Bible...
On the other hand, we have old pieces of evidence that shows existance of a Chosen People's religion...

Someone clarify/correct?

[Spirited Away]

Have fun! 

New point:
Christianity came from the Jews, whose religion came from ages ago. Maybe before all those other religions.

Wrong. Hinduism came from religions and beliefs that existed long before Judaism, and it can be traced back to about 2000 B.C. Judaism was formed around 1500 B.C.

The problem is, according to the Bible, it _was_ the first religion, but that's only valid if you believe in the Bible...
On the other hand, we have old pieces of evidence that shows existance of a Chosen People's religion...

Oh.. I don't know about that. You'd have to show me an article or something to read about it... or else I'm clueless.

Perhaps the first religion in the Western world? Well, even that is not accurate because people worshipped pagan gods centuries before the Bible was written...

I'm quite confused as to why the Bible would claim to be the premier religion of the world.

[sikdragon]

the first organized religion... NO definitely not. But at creation God knew the first man and woman. They worshipped him who would become God of the Jews, maybe that is what espionage is talking about. Otherwise i have no idea.

[espionage]

Yeah, I guess that's what I meant. Then again, I'm no professor.

If we ignore everything except about the issue of the "first religion", then Christianity is in that little loop of whether the first religion's book (Bible) is true, which would prove that it would be the first religion... but is it?

I have many questions to ask.

[sikdragon]

ask away... ill do my best to answer.

"To be truly wise, know that you know nothing."

[sporadic]

Go evolution, boo creation!

*cough*

I think that if there was creation it wasn't like *poof* there's earth *poof* there's animals.

[razbus]

Both, Yet neither. That may not make sense to a lot of people. But as long as i am comfortable with myself and my fate... that's all that matters. Only I can judge me.

[raw_material]

Go evolution, boo creation!

*cough*

I think that if there was creation it wasn't like *poof* there's earth *poof* there's animals.

lol go creation boo evolution lol


the ur telling me evolotion and poof either right!!!

[sikdragon]

why dont you believe poof there was the earth?

[rainnydaiis]

I believe there was creation.. but from that creation stuff evolved... yeah.. im weird sorry

[sikdragon]

you are a theistic evolutionist, you're not alone. Im not one but there are others.

[Spirited Away]

the first organized religion... NO definitely not. But at creation God knew the first man and woman. They worshipped him who would become God of the Jews, maybe that is what espionage is talking about. Otherwise i have no idea.

I can't speak for Hinduism because I don't understand the religion very well, however, God may say one thing in the Bible, which contains not facts but metaphors, other religions say something else. God knew the first man and woman, but WHO IS the first man and woman? They have descendants, who are these descendants? Why are there no evidence of the perfect man after creation? There are no bones that will date back that far... I don't get it. So many questions unanswered.

[oOyunieOo]

I can't speak for Hinduism because I don't understand the religion very well, however, God may say one thing in the Bible, which contains not facts but metaphors, other religions say something else. God knew the first man and woman, but WHO IS the first man and woman? They have descendants, who are these descendants? Why are there no evidence of the perfect man after creation? There are no bones that will date back that far... I don't get it. So many questions unanswered.

First of all, the Bible does have facts the historians whole-heartedly agree with. Second, does it matter which one was the first religion? The fact the man sensed the need for a religion ought to say something. As for perfect man's bones not dating back that far, if there are no bones that date back to the beginning of time(which there are not), how can one prove evolution through fossils?

[Spirited Away]

First of all, the Bible does have facts the historians whole-heartedly agree with.  Second, does it matter which one was the first religion?  The fact the man sensed the need for a religion ought to say something.

Yes, man's need for religion is to answer things that we feel cannot be answered. For example, people lacked the knowledge that the earth was round, and the Bible metaphorically hinted that it was squared and flat so that people can feel secured that they have answers.

Another example is that people fear death. They want to know what happens in the afterlife, or if there is one. Christianity has an answer for this and so do most religions.

HOWEVER, there are people, like me, who do not CARE to know what happens in death AT ALL. AND we rather SEE it for ourselves what the shape of the earth is instead of reading from a book that only offers metaphors of what the world look like.

Yes, it does matter which religion comes first since we're talking about creation, which is the begining of time. Because we're talking about TIME, the premier religion is very much relevant to our discussion.

As for perfect man's bones not dating back that far, if there are no bones that date back to the beginning of time(which there are not), how can one prove evolution through fossils?

Then how can anyone prove that God created the perfect man when only the traces of earliest man are ones that are almost ape-like?

[sikdragon]

I can't speak for Hinduism because I don't understand the religion very well, however, God may say one thing in the Bible, which contains not facts but metaphors, other religions say something else. God knew the first man and woman, but WHO IS the first man and woman? They have descendants, who are these descendants? Why are there no evidence of the perfect man after creation? There are no bones that will date back that far... I don't get it. So many questions unanswered.

The Bible is full of facts, the metaphors are used to describe something real. Just because not all the facts aren't proven by society's standards then it doesn't still mean they aren't facts. Nothing in the Bible can be disproven without changing the meaning of the words first.

[hiromah]

evolution thru creation

[l3randNew]

well, I'd have to say creation, just because that's what I believe. I know a lot of Christians (especially Baptists) at our school had a hard time on the evolution chapter in biology last year ...scientists are actually beginning to find evidence that supports events from the Bible.

[Spirited Away]

The Bible is full of facts, the metaphors are used to describe something real. Just because not all the facts aren't proven by society's standards then it doesn't still mean they aren't facts. Nothing in the Bible can be disproven without changing the meaning of the words first.

I'm confused...............................

So now metaphors are used to describe something real.... so that something real is the earth is flat and has four corners?

Well, there are things said in the Bible that has been proven questionable in society... that's why there are converts and non-believers.

[rainnydaiis]

if you really want to understand the bible you need to think each line out.. and yeah they use metaphors.. yes bible has been questioned... noah's arch has been questioned and scientist found a ship on some mountain can't remenber resemlbing to noah's arch because it was supposely huge...

[muffin dude 292]

I go for evolution

[sikdragon]

proven questionable but not proven false. There is a difference. The metaphors do describe something real. Im not saying the earth is flat with for corners as in the traditional sense with pillars. the Earth is held up by something.

[oOyunieOo]

Yes, man's need for religion is to answer things that we feel cannot be answered. For example, people lacked the knowledge that the earth was round, and the Bible metaphorically hinted that it was squared and flat so that people can feel secured that they have answers.

Another example is that people fear death. They want to know what happens in the afterlife, or if there is one. Christianity has an answer for this and so do most religions.

HOWEVER, there are people, like me, who do not CARE to know what happens in death AT ALL. AND we rather SEE it for ourselves what the shape of the earth is instead of reading from a book that only offers metaphors of what the world look like.

Where does the Bible metaphorically hint that the world was flat? I thought that people thought the world was flat because the world seemed flat and not curved around them. Another thing, if you wait and see what death is, will you be too late? Who can know death on your own without experiencing it?

Then how can anyone prove that God created the perfect man when only the traces of earliest man are ones that are almost ape-like? 

What ape-like men? The missing links? Not one of them has been proven to be a human, in fact, one was formed by scientists from one pig's tooth. "Lucy's", another hominid, fossils were found 2miles apart, and 200 ft. of depth difference between them. How can those two fossils remains be from a single animal? The Neanderthal Man's bones were tested and it was discovered that he had a bone disease that caused him to stoop, so he was completely human all along.

[Spirited Away]

Where does the Bible metaphorically hint that the world was flat?  I thought that people thought the world was flat because the world seemed flat and not curved around them.  Another thing, if you wait and see what death is, will you be too late?  Who can know death on your own without experiencing it?

Dude, do you know who Galilleo was? If not read on him and you'll know the answer to your own questions. Do "four corners" and "pillars" sounds familiar to you? And if those are NOT metaphors, then there is something seriously wrong with the Bible.

Anyway rather than repeat myself consistently because people refuse to acknowledge anything I say because they only accept one truth, here is a site that I will refer to when I'm asked these question:

About the Holy Bible

If you're too lazy to read the whole thing, here is an excerp taken from it:

The ancient Hebrews believed that this earth was the center of the universe, and that the sun, moon and stars were specks in the sky.

With this the Bible agrees.

They thought the earth was flat, with four corners; that the sky, the firmament, was solid -- the floor of Jehovah's house.

The Bible teaches the same.

They imagined that the sun journeyed about the earth, and that by stopping the sun the day could be lengthened.

The Bible agrees with this.

They believed that Adam and Eve were the first man and woman; that they had been created but a few years before, and that they, the Hebrews, were their direct descendants.

This the Bible teaches.

If anything is, or can be, certain, the writers of the Bible were mistaken about creation, astronomy, geology; about the causes of phenomena, the origin of evil and the cause of death.

...

For centuries the church insisted that the Bible was absolutely true; that it contained no mistakes; that the story of creation was true; that its astronomy and geology were in accord with the facts; that the scientists who differed with the Old Testament were infidels and atheists.

Now this has changed. The educated Christians admit that the writers of the Bible were not inspired as to any science. They now say that God, or Jehovah, did not inspire the writers of his book for the purpose of instructing the world about astronomy, geology, or any science. They now admit that the inspired men who wrote the Old Testament knew nothing about any science, and that they wrote about the earth and stars, the sun and moon, in accordance with the general ignorance of the time.

I don't wait to see what Death is! How silly of you to assume that I live to know Death. I live to live, death is inevitable why would I care to disect it when I know it's something unstoppable? You and I will know death eventually, you worry that death is horrible so you believe that there is something more to it than that. I don't know what death is so I will just live life morally and welcome it when my time comes. Who cares? You do, I don't.

What ape-like men? The missing links? Not one of them has been proven to be a human, in fact, one was formed by scientists from one pig's tooth. "Lucy's", another hominid, fossils were found 2miles apart, and 200 ft. of depth difference between them. How can those two fossils remains be from a single animal? The Neanderthal Man's bones were tested and it was discovered that he had a bone disease that caused him to stoop, so he was completely human all along.

Okay then, try to prove Darwin wrong, K?

[espionage]

Fae spares me from reading it and getting too lazy.

Darwin's stuff is still a theory.

if you really want to understand the bible you need to think each line out.. and yeah they use metaphors.. yes bible has been questioned... noah's arch has been questioned and scientist found a ship on some mountain can't remenber resemlbing to noah's arch because it was supposely huge...

I saw that. They also discovered that the measurements of the ship were around the same as the "story" from the Bible.
Mhm. Interesting, hm?

YELL! WHEE!

[oOyunieOo]

Dude, do you know who Galilleo was? If not read on him and you'll know the answer to your own questions. Do "four corners" and "pillars" sounds familiar to you? And if those are NOT metaphors, then there is something seriously wrong with the Bible.

Anyway rather than repeat myself consistently because people refuse to acknowledge anything I say because they only accept one truth, here is a site that I will refer to when I'm asked these question:

About the Holy Bible

If you're too lazy to read the whole thing, here is an excerp taken from it:


QUOTE 
The ancient Hebrews believed that this earth was the center of the universe, and that the sun, moon and stars were specks in the sky.

With this the Bible agrees.

They thought the earth was flat, with four corners; that the sky, the firmament, was solid -- the floor of Jehovah's house.

The Bible teaches the same.

They imagined that the sun journeyed about the earth, and that by stopping the sun the day could be lengthened.

The Bible agrees with this.

They believed that Adam and Eve were the first man and woman; that they had been created but a few years before, and that they, the Hebrews, were their direct descendants.

This the Bible teaches.

If anything is, or can be, certain, the writers of the Bible were mistaken about creation, astronomy, geology; about the causes of phenomena, the origin of evil and the cause of death.

...

For centuries the church insisted that the Bible was absolutely true; that it contained no mistakes; that the story of creation was true; that its astronomy and geology were in accord with the facts; that the scientists who differed with the Old Testament were infidels and atheists.

Now this has changed. The educated Christians admit that the writers of the Bible were not inspired as to any science. They now say that God, or Jehovah, did not inspire the writers of his book for the purpose of instructing the world about astronomy, geology, or any science. They now admit that the inspired men who wrote the Old Testament knew nothing about any science, and that they wrote about the earth and stars, the sun and moon, in accordance with the general ignorance of the time.




I don't wait to see what Death is! How silly of you to assume that I live to know Death. I live to live, death is inevitable why would I care to disect it when I know it's something unstoppable? You and I will know death eventually, you worry that death is horrible so you believe that there is something more to it than that. I don't know what death is so I will just live life morally and welcome it when my time comes. Who cares? You do, I don't.

The guy who wrote that gives no proof, it's just empty handed statements. I'm a Christian, I read my Bible, and nowhere does it teach that the Earth is flat. You ought to come back with some verses from the Bible to prove such. I've read this, and this guy is seriously off. He has misinterpretted every aspect of Scripture and twisted for his own use. Example, he says this:

God is not mentioned in the Song of Solomon, the best book in the Old Testament.

True, God is not mentioned in Song of Solomon, but a book does not have to mention "GOD" in the text for it to be correct teaching or examples. He has also said here "that it is the best book in the Old Testament" tells us where his sick and twisted mind is... anyone knows what Song of Solomon is about... ie. a man and woman (married mind you), and let's just leave it at that. This man who wrote this article should be given no credence.

I respect your view on death, and I did not intend to offend you. Our views on death are different. Death is unstoppable, but what I was spearing at was "What about something beyond death?" You don't think there is ANY kind of life after death, and I do. Oh well.