is bush at fault? Options

[*xcaitlinx*]

Maybe, oh, I don't know, maybe he was thinking of a plan?

I don't think you understand how much stress that is. You can't just jump up and throw a plan out. Otherwise, people like you would have even more to bitch about.

Joe is stealing all the smart. Stop it or... or I'll smack you. 
I'll do it. *raises hand*

I guess he was in the middle of writing a plan while he was on vacation on his ranch in texas?

[*disco infiltrator*]

We only had a warning that there would be a hurricane.  Nobody knew the pumps would back up and the levees would break.  The federal government was completely prepared to move in supplies and troops over the highways and such, but once a city's 20 feet underwater, there's not much you can do.  Supply boats are much slower, especially when navigating around floating debris, not to mention the fact that the boats and planes were getting shot at, which only makes matters worse.

And there IS actually a law that requires an individual state to declare a state of emergency before the federal government can assist it; it's one of the ways that the balance of power is maintained between state and federal governments.  I'll get a link to it, the name escapes me at the moment.

And the whole thing about Bush being racist is just stupid.  I'm not trying to be racist or anything myself, but if you watch the news and see minorities looting 50 inch plasma TVs (keep in mind there's no power) and see white people stealing food and water, that really tells you something.

The point is they had already planned after 9/11 for this very situation. They knew what needed to be done..it just wasn't done soon enough.

I'm fully aware that it's a law, but what does that have to do with anything? There was a declaration of a state of emergency a day before Katrina even hit.

[Hiphop d[-_-]b]

of course not. he didnt call on the hurrican gods & ask for Katrina to come and pay a visit did he ? to blame bush for the hurricane is idiotic.

altho i do feel if he hadnt sent the troops to iraq & spent millions in the war, it was money we could have used to help with the tsunami as well as katrina.

[Ington]

^ I suppose, but the war started way before the hurricane.

He's not supposed to be able to say "No, we shouldn't get into this, because in a while a hurricane will devestate the south."

[sadolakced acid]

^ but he could have been like... "no we won't divert funding from FEMA and NOAA and the hurricane center, there might be a humongous hurricane in the south"

[Hiphop d[-_-]b]

^ lol yes i know.
but even so, bush has spent to much money in this war we did not need. IMO, if we didnt have the war we`d have millions of money still in america, money that could have been used for Katrina.

[*disco infiltrator*]

Or, perhaps, he could have thought to himself, "Hmm, maybe I shouldn't send National Guardsmen overseas considering something could happen here and they need to defend the homeland."

[*xcaitlinx*]

of course not. he didnt call on the hurrican gods & ask for Katrina to come and pay a visit did he ? to blame bush for the hurricane is idiotic.

altho i do feel if he hadnt sent the troops to iraq & spent millions in the war, it was money we could have used to help with the tsunami as well as katrina.

how is blaming him idiotic? of course you can't say that GWB wanted a catergory 5 to hit new orleans...but he definitely could've made the situation better. did you even know that the hurricane was so intense because the water temperature in the gulf of mexico has been rising due to global warming? our president doesn't/didn't even BELIEVE in global warming.

also, the head of FEMA is unexperienced in dealing with natural disasters like this one. did you ever think that that could be part of the problem? scientists around the country knew weeks before the hurricane hit that there was going to be a hurricane this severe. instead of putting unexperienced people in charge, why not move aside and let the people that KNOW WHAT THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT run the show?

ahh i have an idea. we should rename "global warming" to something that will scare everyone. then maybe they'll realize how much it is affecting the world.

[SillyCourtney]

^ I suppose, but the war started way before the hurricane.

He's not supposed to be able to say "No, we shouldn't get into this, because in a while a hurricane will devestate the south."

True, true.

On another note, though, the government KNEW that the levees wouldn't withhold a level 5 hurricane. The most it could withstand was a level 3. So, please don't say that they didn't know the levee would break. They knew damn well it couldn't withstand a level 4 or 5 hurricane. Now, they didn't know what level the hurricane would get to. I think they predicted it would just be up to a level 3.. but weather is unpredicatable.

SO, basically, the only thing to blame here is that darn unpredictable weather. Silly weather.

[Mulder]

how is blaming him idiotic? of course you can't say that GWB wanted a catergory 5 to hit new orleans...but he definitely could've made the situation better. did you even know that the hurricane was so intense because the water temperature in the gulf of mexico has been rising due to global warming? our president doesn't/didn't even BELIEVE in global warming.

also, the head of FEMA is unexperienced in dealing with natural disasters like this one. did you ever think that that could be part of the problem? scientists around the country knew weeks before the hurricane hit that there was going to be a hurricane this severe. instead of putting unexperienced people in charge, why not move aside and let the people that KNOW WHAT THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT run the show?

ahh i have an idea. we should rename "global warming" to something that will scare everyone. then maybe they'll realize how much it is affecting the world.

amen.

lets change global warming to global meltdown, or mashed earth, or...yea...im out of ideas.




and to mother nature, bad mother nature. bad.

no treat for you.

[*xcaitlinx*]

amen.

lets change global warming to global meltdown, or mashed earth, or...yea...im out of ideas.


and to mother nature, bad mother nature. bad.

no treat for you.

hahah. that reminds me...

"after the hurricane bush said that he wouldn't stop until mother nature was captured."

(not really)

[sadolakced acid]

since when did weathermen gain the ability to predict the severity of hurricaines weeks in advance?

the 3 day track has a margin of error of 100 miles, which is pretty big.

the 5 day tack has a margine of error of like... 500 miles.

the severity of a hurricane can change from a dying cat 2 storm to a growing cat 5 in 8 hours.

so how exactley did the weathermen know "weeks in advance that there would be a massive hurricane"

[*xcaitlinx*]

not the WEATHERMEN, the SCIENTISTS. they predicted that a massive hurricane would hit the new orleans area YEARS before it actually happened. how? i have no idea...ask them for yourself.

[sadolakced acid]

do you know what we call scientists who study weather and issue preditions? weathermen!! i don't mean the geeky looking people waving in front of the camera and saying "and this front will move in monday"

and do you know what that is? that's like me standing on the corner of an intersection and predicting that in a few years there will be a wreck.

you can't predict hurricanes more than two weeks in advanced, and you don't even get to know where it's going to go.

so how are these scientest miraclously predicting that a major hurricane will hit new orleans years in advance?

(probably the same way they're proving intelligent design)

[*xcaitlinx*]

i THINK they predicted that there would be a massive hurricane sometime in the near future because of global warming and new orlean's location. also, the temperature of the water in the gulf of mexico has been rising. and as you probably already know, hurricanes are created by warm water.

global warming = warmer water = severe hurricane

[sadolakced acid]

it's not known how the energy from warm water transfers to the hurricane.

plus, the recent increase of severity of hurricanes cannot be explained by global warming alone.

global warming raised global temperatures only 0.5 degrees celcius last year.

that's not enough to say there will be massive hurricanes.

hurricanes do usually cycle through a 60 year period, or so it's thought. and that is a possible reason for the increases in severity.

and they didn't predict it. they determined that it was stastitically likely there would be a hit on new orleans.

they also determined it was equally likely major hurricanes would hit mobile, houston, miami, tampa, baltimore, washington DC, new york, charleston, etc.

[*mipadi*]

global warming raised global temperatures only 0.5 degrees celcius last year.

It hasn't even gone up that much. Temperatures since 1890 have risen by 0.6 degrees Celsius, plus or minus 0.2 degrees C.

Global warming is occuring, but not rapid enough to compare hurricane activity from this year to last year's and blame global warming.

[sadolakced acid]

hmm... maybe it was half a degree fahrenheit...

[*disco infiltrator*]

Erm, I don't know about the predicting years in advance, but there was warnings for a hurricane with a rating of 5 two days before it hit on TV. So..there was sufficient warning to do something about it.

[sadolakced acid]

^yea. some 25 million peopel evacuated new orleans.

[ThePrincessofTKD]

it`s not just bush. it`s not a matter of blaming who. it`s a matter of stepping up and helping. pointing fingers won`t do any good. plus, i also think it`s a matter of racism which i`m not at joy at saying.

[*tweeak*]

No, it's still not racism

[technicolour]

Why does it have to be someone's fault?

[DrNick311]

http://www.grouchyoldcripple.com/archives/002352.html

A little harsh, but the guy has some links to articles backing up his point.

Also, since he doesn't provide a direct link to the bus picture he was referring to, here it is:

http://www.grouchyoldcripple.com/archives/buses1.jpg

[pandamonium]

There isnt a possible reason why we should blame anybody right now for katrinas victims, but we can argue that help did take long ,after the hurricane hit. there should of been faster support. I mean there are still people waiting out there to be rescued and kids still starving.

there are many countries that are trying to help. I even heard Cuba tried to send hundreds of doctors for medical aid to the US. but Bush hasnt responded back to him (which isnt that suprizing)

Why does it have to be someone's fault?

So that people can blame them, and not be at fault when time comes to judge. And its because that a lot of people want to know what happened, especially 9/11, they wanted to know why couldn't we do anything when we supposedly had clue that it was going to happen.

Usually blaming someone helps cause they tend to do it right after they were accused of something. People learn by their mistakes, and when people started bombing, and hijaking there was more security on the planes and most of the transportation systems, and when england got hit there was more security on trains.

It all comes back, people only do something when some thing bad has just happened. If someone bombed cruises , ships and boats, there would most-likely be more security on the water.