fur, what's your stand Options

[sadolakced acid]

fine. i love the killing.

the only reason i like the idea of furs is because i like the idea that an animal had to die for me to have that.

nature is not nature without humans. humans are a part of nature too.


furs are natural

plastic is not

metal is natural

lights are not.

[mysticbreeze]

fine. i love the killing.

the only reason i like the idea of furs is because i like the idea that an animal had to die for me to have that.

What's your point? Do I sense sarcasm? So you're pro-fur why again? Fur is manufactured in factories...that's not natural.

[sadolakced acid]

i dunno. i like the idea of them.

like i said, it's more of skins that i like; like taken from an animal that was also eaten by the hunter.

like a deer skin
or moose

you know?

but skins are natural.

in nature there are animals that kill other animals. and take thier skins. to keep themselves warm.

thier called humans.

sure; domesticated humans don't need to do this.

but a long time ago they did. and furs are like a link to that time.

(this is a time when i've left behind logic and reason for opinion and such. i just feel like doing this once. not finding facts and all. )

[mysticbreeze]

This topic is about fur not leather. But since you brought it up some leather is a by product of farming factories...chemicals are used to turn the animal skin into leather...

Uh we can debate about this forever...you're pro-fur for one reason or another and I'm completely against fur. You are pro-fur because it's "natural"? That doesn't make much sense. Why should we link back to the times when all humans were primitive. We live in the 21st century there's no need for hunting and crap like that anymore. Humans used to kill certain animals because they had to to stay alive. Modernized humans don't so what's the point...?

[sadolakced acid]

i'm not talking about hides...
i'm talking about skin with the fur attached
basically furs.
except it's more from larger animals... i dunno.

furs are from nature.
fake-furs are not.

need i explain why furs are natural?

[mysticbreeze]

I still don't think fur manufacturing is natural but you think it is...does that reason justify the cruelty of fur farming? Whether we are "superior" to them or not they're suffering for this vile industry. Put yourself in their situation.

[william]

If Peta sugarcoated everything people wouldn't react to the ideas they were trying to convey.  Yes, graphicness is disturbing but that's what's happening in this world.  What are they supposed to draw pictures of little happy bunnies on the pamphlets or something?

you have a point, but i just think that's extreme, especially since they were handing them out to little kids at nutcracker shows in december. i know it's the truth and they want to tell these kids what's going on, but i feel that that's taking it way too far. seeing pictures of dead animals as a child would have freaked me out more than made me feel sorry for them.

[mysticbreeze]

you have a point, but i just think that's extreme, especially since they were handing them out to little kids at nutcracker shows in december. i know it's the truth and they want to tell these kids what's going on, but i feel that that's taking it way too far. seeing pictures of dead animals as a child would have freaked me out more than made me feel sorry for them.

I can see your point...if I saw those things when I was little I would cry...tears still come to my eyes when I see things like that now. People need to see the truth though, but it would be better if the kids were at least above twelve I suppose. The issues Peta want to make awareness of can be spread through children a lot which is their aim, whether we support it or not. It's just a matter of opinion I guess...

[eunie03]

I still don't think fur manufacturing is natural but you think it is...does that reason justify the cruelty of fur farming?  Whether we are "superior" to them or not they're suffering for this vile industry.  Put yourself in their situation.

Marry me.

(on another note... I just found it funny that on the google banner, it shows how to purchase wholesale furs... in an anti-fur argument)

[yuna*]

omg..they are ripping off the fur while the animal is still alive?
I am against with wearing fur. Its sad to see that all those high-pay celebrities use their money to support the animal killing by wearing fur..
ouch..this video..

[c0oki3_m0n$tah]

i understand they needed fur like couple hundred years ago..or maybe even more. but now, we don't need fur. we have other ways to keep warm, u know.. it makes me sick to see how those people are treating the animals.

[yellowgurl]

its just wrong. faux fur.. is just as real ..

[wounded]

Do we wear humans for clothes? I think not.

[Paradox of Life]

Sadolakced acid, I really don't understand what message you're trying to convey. You are pro-fur because it's natural? So you'd be pro deforestation? Using wood from trees for our own needs and also slowly destroying the earth and depriving it of fertile lands and oxygen and animals that live in forests? Isn't that natural? And like mysticbreeze said, factory farming/skinning animals isn't natural. I think humans are taking advantage of their superior intelect to torture the animals. I think faux fur is a much more reasonable material for clothing. It looks just as good and it doesn't include the brutal torturing and skinning of animals. When the animals are skinned (they are still alive), their skinless bodies are thrown on top of each other in a big basket and they can be still alive for more than 5 minutes, dying a slow and painful death. I don't mind people killing and using resources from animals naturally (the FAIR way, using nothing but NATURAL weapons) like you stated, but factory farming is something that I'm strictly against. Alright, I'm done.

[sadolakced acid]

you do understand that faux fur is probably petrol based, right?

sythentics are bad for the environment. making them would probably produce enough pollution to kill twice the animals it would take to make a fur coat.

[liloandstitchx3]

i will eat animals.

i will not tolerate SEEING animals being beaten and people LAUGHING AND ENJOYING every single minute of it.

i will never wear fur. ever.

[Paradox of Life]

Well then, why is fur or faux fur even neccessary? If both are harmful to the environment, why do people damage it just for the sake of fashion? But I highly doubt that a few faux fur factories could kill more animals with pollution than the fur factory killing. It's not so much the killing I'm concerned about, but:
1. The decrease in animal population.
2. The way they are killed. Brutally and unhumanely.
3. The stupidity of it all. People are going to kill and destroy the environment for clothing and fashion!? Fur/faux fur is not a necessity.
4. Air pollution from factories destroying the earth!!
I know air pollution is unavoidable as far as there are industries, factories, cars and etc, but it would be so much better if any sort of fur was not produced. -_-;

[twelveislands]

It doesn't bother me that much. As long as the animal isn't nearly extinct then [shrugs].

Why wear fur when there's fake far though?

[gOODpIRATE]

It doesn't bother me that much. As long as the animal isn't nearly extinct then [shrugs].

Why wear fur when there's fake far though? 

yes, but it is still an animal. it has a right to live, you know what i mean?

which is one reason why i stopped eating meat all together, or in other words, became a vegitarian. when i first attempted becomming a vegitarian, i did it for heath, and when i really did my research on animals being killed for fashion, it made me stay away from meats even more.

[`SWTWiNKLE3YES]

that movie/whatever is sad & scary. i just had to stop it and not see the rest. the raccoon (or what is seemed like one) died! and ..... im just =T

[misoshiru]

i'm very much against fur. that video made me cry.

if they want fur so bad, why can't they at least do it some other more humane kind of way. at least inject the animals with anesthetics or something. just don't skin them alive.

[XoJennaoX]

I never liked fur since i saw 101 Dalmations!....now everytime i look at a fur designer i see cruella deville..lol.....what is the problem with fake fur? i mean i love it...it really isn't that bad.....but of course spoiled rich people want the real thing ....and as long as there is a demand for it, fur farms will continuue to operate.

[xMayleex]

It disgusts me that people can wear something that has been butchered, subjected to torture though they sometimes can be dead or alive, its still digusting cutting up a carcass and making it into a jacket or a coat, how could anyone be so barbaric to wear it or do it, people should know better. Animal testing is just as bad, they are sticking things in animals eyes, its makes me so sad that animals are used in this kinda manner.

[sadolakced acid]

there is no more debate. people are just stating opinions.

[innovation]

there is no more debate.  people are just stating opinions.

well, you see mr.-forensics-kid, cb debate is very different from high school debate. the purpose is to exchange opinions, since there is no "official" debate structure.