White history month?, racism Options

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what was wrong with what i said? i asked a question.

what did he do wrong??

Well, had the both of you read within context, the capitalized portion was a very... erm... very, VERY sarcastic response to another person's stereotypical claim that we should all appreciate latinos for mowing our lawn.

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Yes! I too am amazed at your inability to at least skim a thread before you bring up points that have been previously brought up!
They can celebrate their freedom every day, by being free! Oh my god! Novel concept! Party!
Oh my gosh, you are soooo right, because the black kid down the street deserves so much more than me because I am white. His great-grandmother was probably a slave or something, oh geez. My great-grandmother being killed in a gas chamber after being forced to watch her husband shoot their child was absolutely nothing! That's not inhumane at all, and me being inherently Jewish and Atheist in this country is not at all a minority in my 98% Christian community! And you know, I was tooootally arguing for a white history month this entire thread, and not the elimination of any special treatment whatsoever. You must be such a great reader, because no one else seemed to get that! Good job!
Wow, you sure are right about that too, because African tribes never warred before Europe even began! There wasn't any killing and ravaging of other "different" people between Asian cultures! The Aztecs and the Mayans never had any issues at all! The Middle East has never had ANY problems between races, during the Middle Ages and stuff, before the Crusades and all! Man we should really just blame everything on white Americans cause they started everything by adopting the African ways of selling their tribespeople as slaves.
Yea and maybe if the black people had come up with a book full of stuff they made up about the beginning of the world and all cause they needed an answer and something to look forward to way back when, their savior would be black. Cause you know, there wouldn't be any black Christians at all had African tribes not sold their slaves to other countries, but of course, that would have no bearing on Jesus's race. Hmm, how many Christians live in the Middle East again, where Jesus was supposedly born?

PERHAPS THAT HAS JUST A LITTLE BEARING ON JESUS'S RACE.
Look, I'm sorry if this is coming off insulting or offensive, but I am getting really tired of having to repeat myself for 25 pages.

I am not at all offended. Like i said before, i'm not on any one's side.

I understand how recognizing the white race would be considered "racist". Whites were never slaves, they were the "superior" race and to some extent, they still are. What do they need a month for? To celebrate what?...
I don't really agree with that but i think black people are more entitled to this than any other race.

That's not what i think but i can understand when black people talk like this or feel this way.
If a "white history month" should exist in Belgium, to be more specific, my school, it'll cause so much trouble...95 % of the students are strangers.
Whites are considered to be the superior race so what do they need a month for? that'll be the main question. It's understandable if it's a black history month or jewish month...just because they've got horrible stories behind them.

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why should there be any months at all? thats favoring a race.

im going to go and quote myself when I ALREADY SAID THIS.

quote 1:

theres nothing wrong with celebrating various cultures. id even be ok with months dedicated to them. but race has absolutely nothing to do with culture. nothing.

quote 2:

ok, last time i checked (which was around pg. 15-ish) everyone was supporting a no months sort of thing. no special recognization of any particular race, because that promotes racism, and dissuades unity.


well. im still going for that.

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^ Ha!. It's nature, you have to quote and quote and quote yourself till you get tired.

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o ive got more

i meant that there shouldnt be any difference in people based on the color of their skin. thats what races do. they divide people into specific groups. eh...

there will always be races, so why am i worrying about it...?

you just described the jewish people. wait, not quite. multiply that by 10.

yes..im making another jewish comment...and im agnostic!
and a white female

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-Be sure to read the entire thread to check if an argument has been covered.

those arguments have been brought up numerous times.

[Mulder]

-Be sure to read the entire thread to check if an argument has been covered.

those arguments have been brought up numerous times.

i know.

people arent reading back, so i thought id repeat my points, since they didnt want to read back.

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Just wanted to point out: I just turned the TV on for 10 minutes and I counted:

11 black people, 6 white people, 2 Hispanic people, and one Asian person.

So..your uh..little statement..really doesn't work so much.

Ha. What were you watching, BET?

Hmmm oh but look at that. Pictures of Jesus were made before America even existed! Blame white America!

MAYBE the pictures of Jesus depict him as being white because when they were first made, ALL THE CHRISTIANS WERE WHITE. MAYBE, just MAYBE that would be a logical explanation. The Africans weren't Christian; they had tribal customs. The Asians weren't Christian until European countries went all imperialistic on their asses. Eastern European countries, generally, starting out, were not Christian. Only Europe. And guess what race lived in Europe before they went all imperialistic on the world?.....WHITE PEOPLE. 

What's the connection between Jesus' ethnicity and the recollection of African Americans?

And who are you to say that the whites were the first Christians? That isn't true. You should know that five Africans helped Jesus carry his cross. You should also know the time when 5,000 people started to speak in tongues, it spread across the world, to places like Asia, Africa and so on. Thats how God spread the word of Christianity.

So then it hits home, the majority of Christians were white, yes, but it doesn't mean that they were the only Christians.

And I hope you know that Jesus was a Jew, not a Christian.

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[quote=insomniac,Dec 11 2005, 12:27 PM]
those arguments have been brought up numerous times.

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i know.

people arent reading back, so i thought id repeat my points, since they didnt want to read back.

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mmm.

was talking to l!cktysplit and Jellybeans.

[Mulder]

i know.

people arent reading back, so i thought id repeat my points, since they didnt want to read back.

mmm.

was talking to l!cktysplit and Jellybeans.

sorry.

and close your tags.

you and kristina. and people staff too! *wags finger*

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Ha. What were you watching, BET?
What's the connection between Jesus' ethnicity and the recollection of African Americans?

And who are you to say that the whites were the first Christians? That isn't true. You should know that five Africans helped Jesus carry his cross. You should also know the time when 5,000 people started to speak in tongues, it spread across the world, to places like Asia, Africa and so on. Thats how God spread the word of Christianity.

So then it hits home, the majority of Christians were white, yes, but it doesn't mean that they were the only Christians.

And I hope you know that Jesus was a Jew, not a Christian.

No, actually, VH1.

And hmm. Maybe, just maybe, if you had actually read what I had said about people starting out as white and then adapting to their sunnier, hotter environments and getting darker skin, you wouldn't have misconstrued my words to make me say that the first Christians were white.

Maybe five Africans helped him carry his cross because the Roman Empire (based in Europe) had control of Northern Africa for a long time. And, you know, it was the Romans who crucified Jesus so..that would probably be a very logical explanation.

It may have spread the word, and you can say that all you want, but there was never, ever a time when a majority of Christians were something other than white.

Yes, I know Jesus was Jewish; I'm Jewish myself, and I'm white. I don't see your point.

[Mulder]

You should also know the time when 5,000 people started to speak in tongues, it spread across the world, to places like Asia, Africa and so on. Thats how God spread the word of Christianity.

So then it hits home, the majority of Christians were white, yes, but it doesn't mean that they were the only Christians.

And I hope you know that Jesus was a Jew, not a Christian.

actually, god spreading the tongues was part of judaism. i forgot the story, but i believe it had something to do with being punished for something..

hm..


no, i thought jesus was a buddhist.

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hm..
no, i thought jesus was a buddhist.

Well, for one, that question wasn't meant for you. Go off and be sarcastic with yourself.

No, actually, VH1.

And hmm. Maybe, just maybe, if you had actually read what I had said about people starting out as white and then adapting to their sunnier, hotter environments and getting darker skin, you wouldn't have misconstrued my words to make me say that the first Christians were white.

It may have spread the word, and you can say that all you want, but there was never, ever a time when a majority of Christians were something other than white.

Yes, I know Jesus was Jewish; I'm Jewish myself, and I'm white. I don't see your point.

Hm, I must have skipped over that post....

*raises hand* Oh wait second...yeah I think I read something about you saying all Christians were white...

ALL THE CHRISTIANS WERE WHITE.

Flashback enough?

lol. What does Europe having control over Africa had anything to do with five Africans helping Jesus carry his cross?

Anyway.

The person/anybody who agrees with the first post has no idea how selfish they are being. You talk about equality and yet you want more, more than every other race. You still want to dominant, admit it. You were born into what America considers to be a superior race and yet you whine like a child about how there needs to be a month dedicated to the white race.

Equality?

Did you know that 84% of whites finish highschool finish while only 74% of African Americans finish?

Hmmmm?

Did you know that 25% of whites finished college while only 15% of African Americans had done so?

Hows that for equality? Why not, 84% to 84%? Or maybe we'll juggle it to 84% to 82% completing highschool.

Higher education doesn't pay off for Africans as it does for whites. Your white male high school graduate earn just about as much as Africans men with college associate degrees. Black men tend to gain less than the white male.

So sure, if they want to give the African Americans the shortest month of the year to celebrate their own history, then go ahead. And years later, you'll complain about too much attention toward one race.

For years, Africans have fought for their rights and they are still fighting today. The races among this society still aren't equal. You should put yourself in someones else's shoes for a change and see what life for them is like.

Statistics show that Asians and Latinos think African Americans are doing less well than whites. While most whites think African Americans are doing equally well.

They are blind obviously.

The Caucasian race knows that without what we call racism, or the discrimination of other cultures, they'll lose their economic and their political power over society.

Perhaps you're starting to feel a sense of inferiority or insecurity that other races are stepping out of the boxes they were forced in and finally making a change. They've become doctors, lawyers, singers, actresses, models, etc., and you're feeling threatened.

Stop whining about recognition and get your minds off of looking like the barbie doll in your lap because in case you haven't noticed, every other month is practically dedicated to white history, whether you notice it or not.

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Well, for one, that question wasn't meant for you. Go off and be sarcastic with yourself.
Hm, I must have skipped over that post....

*raises hand* Oh wait second...yeah I think I read something about you saying all Christians were white...
Flashback enough?

lol. What does Europe having control over Africa had anything to do with five Africans helping Jesus carry his cross?

Anyway.

The person/anybody who agrees with the first post has no idea how selfish they are being. You talk about equality and yet you want more, more than every other race. You still want to dominant, admit it.  You were born into what America considers to be a superior race and yet you whine like a child about how there needs to be a month dedicated to the white race.

if you read the thread you'd realize it's simply a way of stating there should not be months commemorating any race, no matter what happened to them in the past.

Equality?

Did you know that 84% of whites finish highschool finish while only 74% of African Americans finish?

and you are being racist by assuming the reason a smaller percentage of blacks finish high school is because they're black.

you need to look at economic factors.
a larger percent of blacks than whites are poor.
poor people are the ones most likely to drop out of high school.
ergo, more black people drop out of high school.

as for why they are poor- it does factor into the fact that, like it or not, whites had a headstart. sure, help them not be poor. but help all poor not be poor, not just blacks.

Hmmmm?

Did you know that 25% of whites finished college while only 15% of African Americans had done so?

again, this is more based off of economic reasons. In addition, affirmative action is helping to cause college black dropout rates to rise. affirmative action places blacks with smarter, more qualified whites at tougher colleges where they are more likely to drop out. race doesn't contribute to academics- so why does it net you 5 points on your U michagan app?

Hows that for equality? Why not, 84% to 84%? Or maybe we'll juggle it to 84% to 82% completing highschool.

again, economic factors. larger percent of blacks than whites are poor, larger percent of poor than rich drop out of high school.

you're equating two unrelated things. ever consider why the percentage is different? is it because blacks are naturally inferior? or is it because everyone is racist against them and want them to fail? or is it economic factors?

be careful how you use statistics. most are used wrong.

Higher education doesn't pay off for Africans as it does for whites. Your white male high school graduate earn just about as much as Africans men with college associate degrees. Black men tend to gain less than the white male.

and where, might i ask, are you getting this information?

economic factors again explain this.

why? a larger percent of black high school dropouts than white highschool dropouts are poorer. poorer dropouts tend to not get higher paying jobs, like being an auto mechanic, that white high school dropouts are more likely to seek, becasue of thier relativley higher economic status.

an auto mechanic or a construction worker can make just as much as a computer programmer, where one can be a dropout and the other is a college graduate.

your claim that black men tend to gain less than the white male may be true- but it isn't caused by black inferiority or racism. Rather, other factors, like the fact that whites are indeed a majority, as well as those economic factors and cultural factors are all contributors.

So sure, if they want to give the African Americans the shortest month of the year to celebrate their own history, then go ahead. And years later, you'll complain about too much attention toward one race.

we are complaining. and the complaint is valid.

For years, Africans have fought for their rights and they are still fighting today. The races among this society still aren't equal. You should put yourself in someones else's shoes for a change and see what life for them is like.

are they? can blacks vote? yes. can a black be president? yes. In america, equality means that everyone has the chance. it doesn't have to be equal odds, or equal percentages. just that everyone has the chance.

races in this society are not equal and will never be. But what you fail to understand is that it is not because of thier race- but because they are human individuals. Other races, such as eastern asians, generally do better, yet started out at a much worse economic state than blacks. is this because of racism, or racial inferiority, that blacks generally don't suceed? maybe. maybe it's because blacks are more inclined to blame racism, and not simply try to achieve more. or maybe not. however, made up facts cannot prove it.

Statistics show that Asians and Latinos think African Americans are doing less well than whites. While most whites think African Americans are doing equally well.

They are blind obviously.

statistics? care to share them? mayhaps you should use some facts in your debate.

The Caucasian race knows that without what we call racism, or the discrimination of other cultures, they'll lose their economic and their political power over society.

racism is the belief that one race is inferior or superior. nothing to do with cultures.

and that assertation does not even make sense. i don't see colleges reject blacks in favor of less qualified whites- although the reverse holds true.

i don't see government regulations of how many whites must work for them- but it's true for blacks.

racism isn't responsible for whites being richer than blacks, or more politically active. racism is responsible for lynchings and hate crimes.

whites do not charge higher interest rates for blacks. they do not make it harder for blacks to vote. there is no substance to this claim.

Perhaps you're starting to feel a sense of inferiority or insecurity that other races are stepping out of the boxes they were forced in and finally making a change. They've become doctors, lawyers, singers, actresses, models, etc., and you're feeling threatened.

mayhaps we are. or, mayhaps we see that these doctors, lawyers, singers, and actresses can accomplish things no matter that they're black. and we can see that it is folly to help people because they're black, but rather to help people because they're poor would be the best thing to do.

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Stop whining about recognition and get your minds off of looking like the barbie doll in your lap because in case you haven't noticed, every other month is practically dedicated to white history, whether you notice it or not.

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a repeat point, and moot at that.

every other month is not white history month.

5 people die in the boston massacre. how many can you name?

1. crispus attucks. the black man.

many people worked with botany and experimented with new crops. but say peanut and who do you know?

1. george washington carver.

every month, is in fact black history month. In an attempt to "compensate for racism", standardized tests, as well as history books, put in a disproportionate amount of minorities.

therefore, when learning american history, where most influential people were white, and most the population was white, every unit has a "black people of this era" section.

is it really fair to focus on benjamin bannaker, who memorized a white man's designs for washington DC, over the white man himself, L'Enfant?

no. but that's the way things are, because of overcompensation.

believe it or not, blacks are a minority. which means, there are less of them.

this means there will be less of them in high places, and less of them in history.

and there is no need to try to change the past by changing the history books. what needs to be done is a focus on the future- the future for those in economic poverty. help the poor, not the black.

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Hm, I must have skipped over that post....

*raises hand* Oh wait second...yeah I think I read something about you saying all Christians were white...
Flashback enough?

lol. What does Europe having control over Africa had anything to do with five Africans helping Jesus carry his cross?

When countries took over others, they forced both their culture and religion on the country. For example, Vietnam - the French once had control of Vietnam. It is VERY influenced by the French. It was at one time required that Vietnamese learn French. Along with the French language and culture, the official French religion, Catholicism, was also adopted. Thus, the Vietnamese people followed the Catholic religion.

Since Christianity originated in Europe, the European-conquered areas of Africa would most likely have adopted or been forced to follow the country's religion of which they were under rule.

Anyway.

The person/anybody who agrees with the first post has no idea how selfish they are being. You talk about equality and yet you want more, more than every other race. You still want to dominant, admit it.  You were born into what America considers to be a superior race and yet you whine like a child about how there needs to be a month dedicated to the white race.

If this is directed at me, and if you are so confident that you have read my posts, you obviously need some better reading comprehension skills. I have stated multiple times that I, too, think a white history month is ridiculous; but rather, there should be no months at all.

Equality?

Did you know that 84% of whites finish highschool finish while only 74% of African Americans finish?

Hmmmm?

Did you know that 25% of whites finished college while only 15% of African Americans had done so?

Hows that for equality? Why not, 84% to 84%? Or maybe we'll juggle it to 84% to 82% completing highschool.

Unless I'm mistaken, I believe an individual person earns their own grades, not based on the color of their skin, but on their work ethic and intelligence. I do not believe, in this day in age, that anyone is limited to what they can accomplish due to their race; rather, their financial state, which also is not due to their race. There's plenty of poor or impoverished people of every race.

Higher education doesn't pay off for Africans as it does for whites. Your white male high school graduate earn just about as much as Africans men with college associate degrees. Black men tend to gain less than the white male.

If it doesn't pay off, why do they get special entry into college over other people more qualified if they can't even finish the education they are being handed? If that's what you call equality, rather than letting people earn their own success based on their abilities and hard work, then you need to get a dictionary.

So sure, if they want to give the African Americans the shortest month of the year to celebrate their own history, then go ahead. And years later, you'll complain about too much attention toward one race.

Why does anyone need a month? Celebrate your heritage any time you want. Also - I really don't think the length of the month has any bearing on anything. Two days is not that big of a deal.

For years, Africans have fought for their rights and they are still fighting today. The races among this society still aren't equal. You should put yourself in someones else's shoes for a change and see what life for them is like.

So why don't we make things equal and recognize people as human beings rather than how much melanin is in their skin?

Statistics show that Asians and Latinos think African Americans are doing less well than whites. While most whites think African Americans are doing equally well.

They are blind obviously.

Where are these so-called statistics, and what source are you recieving them from? From what I've seen, a lot of the Asians in this very thread either are agreeing with my point of view or feeling cheated out themselves.

The Caucasian race knows that without what we call racism, or the discrimination of other cultures, they'll lose their economic and their political power over society.

Really? I don't know, but personally, I'm not concerned with the race of the people in power. I'm much more concerned that the people in power deserve their position and are competent enough to handle it.

Perhaps you're starting to feel a sense of inferiority or insecurity that other races are stepping out of the boxes they were forced in and finally making a change. They've become doctors, lawyers, singers, actresses, models, etc., and you're feeling threatened.

That is so far off from what I'm thinking. I completely support people being high up in our society - so long as they are qualified to be there. You are thinking of me as a racist, and that is completely and blatantly wrong. I have absolutely no problem with people of other races, at all, anywhere. There is an African American girl a grade below me in my school, and she's expected to be Valedictorian of her class. I fully support her. She deserves that; she's extremely smart and she works hard. That's the difference - she deserves that; she's earned it, not through special privileges, but through innate knowledge and dedication.

Stop whining about recognition and get your minds off of looking like the barbie doll in your lap because in case you haven't noticed, every other month is practically dedicated to white history, whether you notice it or not.

I'm sorry if I'm concerned with my own success, just like others are. I want to get what I've worked so hard for, what I deserve. If I don't get into the college of my choice based solely on my race, I'm going to be complaining. That is not fair, at all, and if what we're striving for is equality, then the system has failed.

And when were looks or Barbie dolls brought into the conversation? Be polite about the discussion, please. No need to resort to insults and acting condescending.

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For one I go mainly by the first post, and that's mainly who my opinions are directed. In case you forgot it says:

Okay, so I am not trying to be racist or anything, but who here agrees with me that the black people are getting way more recognition than the whites?

Now we have black history month, black activists month, and negro colleges/college funds? This is just not fair.

Everyone believes that if we have a white history month then we will be racist? We aren't. Blacks are getting everything nowadays and if the white people try to put say into anything, it gets shoved back in our face as a racist comment.

I love black history and everything, but I have pride in being white and we get no recognition whatsoever? Does anyone agree with me..

And please don't say I am being racist. I live in the South for God's sake.

Now do you see any other race mentioned about getting any more recognition besides blacks in that open statement?

NO. You don't. Therefore, I'm not talking about any other race besides blacks and whites.

Where I'm getting this information from? Sociology and You, published by Glencoe.

Unless I'm mistaken, I believe an individual person earns their own grades, not based on the color of their skin, but on their work ethic and intelligence. I do not believe, in this day in age, that anyone is limited to what they can accomplish due to their race; rather, their financial state, which also is not due to their race. There's plenty of poor or impoverished people of every race.

Tell me, if the boss of your company is racist against whites, do you think you'll be promoted? No. Most bosses are still treating other races like trash and don't think they deserve a higher position....in anything.

So why don't we make things equal and recognize people as human beings rather than how much melanin is in their skin?

You keep saying the same thing, just with different words. People can't move up in the world if people don't allow them to. Everyone doesn't think like you.

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Employers are required by law to hire and promote a certain number of black people in certain positions. There isn't any way for them to be racist and not hire/promote people of a certain race. And where are you getting all of this information? Most bosses? Where is this coming from? That is not true. You can push it and make up statistics (that you're not posting) all you want, but it's not true. Actual statistics show that it's not true. If your boss was treating you like crap, you'd quit, and if it was due to your race, sue, and win.

People CAN move up. Anyone has ample opportunity to succeed in our society. No one is "not allowed". Of course I'm saying the same things, because you're not understanding it. Any other person of my financial status, not race, has just as much opportunity to succeed as I do, including a black person. People have to work for what they want, EVERYONE does. Things are not handed to you on a silver platter, nor are things taken away. You work with what you have.

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are are laws against discrimination. any boss who does such a thing can be sued for much more than the promotion was worth.

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Equality?
Did you know that 84% of whites finish highschool finish while only 74% of African Americans finish?
Hmmmm?
Did you know that 25% of whites finished college while only 15% of African Americans had done so?
Hows that for equality? Why not, 84% to 84%? Or maybe we'll juggle it to 84% to 82% completing highschool.

You actually think inequality is the basis of Whites finishing high school and college than Blacks? Are you serious?

According to the Urban Institute statistics, about 77% of Asians reach graduation and Whites are at about 75%. If inequality is the source of the problem, a minority race would not rank higher than the majority.

And if you think to say that Asians are less discriminated than Blacks, I will have to laugh my ass off and ask for stats from you.

As for college drop-outs, instead of racial inequality, it's more liable to blame financial reasons, the students themselves, or even high schools.

It was interesting researching all this information because many of the articles that played the race card always conveniently forget that Asians are a minority, too, yet they are not compared against Whites as much as Blacks and Hispanics are education wise. I see a lot of "Blacks' and Hispanics' graduation rates are low compared to Whites, that must mean there's racism/inequality!!!!1111!" Uh, how do they explain about Asians, I wonder.

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often(yet not in every situation) these other mminority classes (blacks, hispanics, etc.) are in less fortunate situationns than asian minorities and this is can possibly be a reason for that. There are also much less asian students in america than the other minorities so that could also contribute to those stats. Of course there also is the possibility that asians are just plain better in school.

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often(yet not in every situation) these other mminority classes (blacks, hispanics, etc.) are in less fortunate situationns than asian minorities and this is can possibly be a reason for that. There are also much less asian students in america than the other minorities so that could also contribute to those stats. Of course there also is the possibility that asians are just plain better in school.

... and as I've already said, economy is better to blame than inequality. Yes, the factor of population may play an important part in those stats, but it doesn't explain how inequality is the problem when a minority rank higher than the majority. Again, if inequality is the problem, all minorities would rank lower than Whites. Even then, there is still the possibility that Whites simply do better in school than minorities. The point here to to show that inequality isn't the cause of low graduation rates for Black students.

This post has been edited by Spirited Away: Dec 16 2005, 12:22 PM

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Now we have black history month, black activists month, and negro colleges/college funds? This is just not fair.

stop being a selfish idiot and look around. discrimination against non-whites if rife , especially in America, even though it may be better than it was in the past.

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You have just gotten yourself a verbal warning for not following the rules of the debate forum.

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good for u. i bet that made your day, for some weird twisted reason

[blackxpearl]

I disagree with the whole asian pride and black pride =allowed and white pride=racist. White people are branded racist alot but if a black person or asian person or whatever says the same thing it's ok because they're supposed to be the victim. That's wrong, racist is being judgemental or whatever against ANY race thats why is called racist not blackist or asianist. The history books are only stating what happened according to the truth. To be honest, who cares it's only a skin colour, the way I see it is PEOPLE were slaves, PEOPLE bombed other PEOPLE...etc. All in all we're all humans that's the main thing.