White history month?, racism Options

[angelicutie1151]

the reason we dont have white history month is because we focus on their history allthrough the year...its kinda like how we have mother's day and father's day but not a children's day...i think its good that we have certain moths that focus specifically on a certain race, because, that way people bother to think about the different races that make a positive impact on their life...otherwise, we go on knowing so much about one race's past, and not enough about the others...

[Spirited Away]

the reason we dont have white history month is because we focus on their history allthrough the year...

I have just about enough of this. *sigh*

AMERICAN HISTORY is NOT the same as WHITE HISTORY.

[BlissfulIgnoranc...]

omg r u serious,,,,bout this??? every month is white history month..except for black history month!.... every month in ur history classes u learn about a whole bunch of white ppl that made a difference,,,,,Black history month jus shows a lil recongiztion to the black ppl that have made a difference too

and i kno american history isnt the same as white history but it does consist of manly whites...

[Spirited Away]

omg r u serious,,,,bout this???  every month is white history month..except for black history month!.... every month in ur history classes u learn about a whole bunch of white ppl that made a difference,,,,,Black history month jus shows a lil recongiztion to the black ppl that have made a difference too

and i kno american history isnt the same as white history but it does consist of manly whites...

So eventhough Whites found this Nation kids shouldn't learn about them in history books because that would be racist/unfair? Okay, lets take all the White folks out of history books and then we'll see how Blacks, Asians, Hispanics found America.

[*mona lisa*]

no recognition? white people get recognition ALL the time! and because of the growing number of important blacks and the fact that they were forced to be slaves and all that, led to blacks being recognized more in the community.

is there even any importance to white activists? No, because whites were never discriminated against and their rights were never denied. it was the blacks (as well as other races) that were being prejudiced against because white people thought they were too superior. and i'm really trying not to sound racist. sorry if i do.

[Spirited Away]

no recognition? white people get recognition ALL the time! and because of the growing number of important blacks and the fact that they were forced to be slaves and all that, led to blacks being recognized more in the community.

White people get recognition all the time for what exactly? And how are they recognized?

is there even any importance to white activists? No, because whites were never discriminated against and their rights were never denied. it was the blacks (as well as other races) that were being prejudiced against because white people thought they were too superior. and i'm really trying not to sound racist. sorry if i do.

So Jews aren't White? I guess there is no such thing as a White homosexual because according to you, Whites aren't discriminated.

[*mona lisa*]

White people get recognition all the time for what exactly?
So Jews aren't White? I guess there is no such thing as a White homosexual because according to you, Whites aren't discriminated.

ok, well you usually learn about white people in history. i know that they aren't the same but whatever. this is hard for me to explain.

whites are discriminated against, but you don't see as much of it as you do for other races. sorry, i should have worded it differently. obviously jews ARE whites, but ok..this is getting too much into racism. a white homosexual would be discriminated against because he's a homosexual, not because he is white. i can't type all of this out, but if you go to other countires, like canada, you'll see that whites are more recognized for doing lots of things. other races, not so much. even if a non-white person does a better deed.

This post has been edited by gotnoheart: Feb 18 2005, 10:41 PM

[Spirited Away]

ok, well you usually learn about white people in history. i know that they aren't the same but whatever. this is hard for me to explain.

Well, you learn them in History because they were the ones who were most involved in American History. If you go and live in Asia and you're White, you'll be subjected to learn things about Asians.

Schools DO NOT teach about Whites only.

whites are discriminated against, but you don't see as much of it as you do for other races. sorry, i should have worded it differently. obviously jews ARE whites, but ok..this is getting too much into racism. a white homosexual would be discriminated against because he's a homosexual, not because he is white. i can't type all of this out, but if you go to other countires, like canada, you'll see that whites are more recognized for doing lots of things. other races, not so much. hardly.

Then I think it's best you use the phrase "groups of people" instead of just Whites. The words White and Caucasian are too general. A White homsexual is still White and it doesn't matter if you say he is discriminated because he's homosexual because he is WHITE and homosexual. Which means we can cross out the repeated point that White are not discriminated, because they are.

Again, if you go to Asia, you'll be learning Asian things and there isn't much room to fit White History into Asian studies.

I absolutely refuse to believe that all Americans learn in school is White History because unless you can name an Independent School District that teaches ALL White History and White domination then I don't think your points are very well founded.

[*mona lisa*]

i know that schools don't teach about whites ONLY. obviously what kind of a country would that be. i said it because we live in a white-dominated country. so MOST of what we learn will be about whites. in canada, you only have canadian history, american hostory, maybe european and i think that's it. in the states, you have to learn about histories of other countires, especially ancient civilizations. in asia, you would learn about asians because almost all of them will be asian.

well homosexuality is not a good example to use because homosexuality brings on a different topic. its totally separate. i understand what you're trying to say, and that is different. i mean like the average white person. and i meant that whites weren't discriminated against as to rights like other races in history were(not talking about homosexuality). i was talking about the black activists month thing.

[babiedoll03]

really?! i so did not know that... weird. I've never even heard of it.. .why isnt it popular?

[Spirited Away]

i know that schools don't teach about whites ONLY. obviously what kind of a country would that be. i said it because we live in a white-dominated country. so MOST of what we learn will be about whites. in canada, you only have canadian history, american hostory, maybe european and i think that's it. in the states, you have to learn about histories of other countires, especially ancient civilizations. in asia, you would learn about asians because almost all of them will be asian.

... I did, or at least, the 7 schools I went to offered world histories. Through out junior high and high school I learned about the Aztecs, Egyptians, African tribes, Mongols... I learned about different religions of different cultural groups... In high school, I learned in depth about things American history related.

You learn about White people because White people created America (this isn't necessarily politcally correct, but it serves my purpose to say so). I don't see how that is unfair.

well homosexuality is not a good example to use because homosexuality brings on a different topic. its totally separate. i understand what you're trying to say, and that is different. i mean like the average white person. and i meant that whites weren't discriminated against as to rights like other races in history were(not talking about homosexuality). i was talking about the black activists month thing.

Not really. I talked about Homosexuals to point out that what you said about Whites not being discriminated is wrong because they are. They may be discriminated for their lifestyle, but you didn't say that at first. You only said that Whites aren't discriminated, period. Since you corrected yourself, there is no need to bring homosexuals into this debate.

AA is reverse discrimination. Whites are discriminated not because of lifestyle, but because of their skin color.

[*mona lisa*]

name me one time that whites are discriminated against, and something that you can compare it with to the discrimination that blacks and others have faced. and i said all of that because of the black history month and sctivists thing. whites were not treated the way blacks were.

[Spirited Away]

name me one time that whites are discriminated against, and something that you can compare it with to the discrimination that blacks and others have faced. and i said all of that because of the black history month and sctivists thing. whites were not treated the way blacks were.

.... thus far the thread has provided plenty of examples and my previous post did give you the best example of all: AA (Affirmative Action). I even went to say that it is reverse discrimination. If you are wondering how that is, please refer to earlier posts by Mr. Acid, Tweeak, and Sammi. We each explained how Whites are being discriminated (and some of us aren't even White).

As for Whites treating Blacks as slaves.... does your White neighbor's 20 year old, who has never owned slaves or be unkind to a person of different color deserve to have disavantages for something that his White grandfather had done? This point was already made... so please, check the rest of the thread.

[*mona lisa*]

sorry, i was thinking about exmples in the US only. should've been more clear. but mostly non-whites were not given basic freedom-the chinese, blacks, japs, and others. as far as i can remember, whites were always given rights and were always treated fair.

[BlissfulIgnoranc...]

So eventhough Whites found this Nation kids shouldn't learn about them in history books because that would be racist/unfair? Okay, lets take all the White folks out of history books and then we'll see how Blacks, Asians, Hispanics found America.

i never said kids shouldnt learn about white ppl in history... and jus cuz they "found" america dusnt seem very braggable to me ..if thats a word :) cuz native americans lived here first and it was their land..even though there would be no america without white ppl coming and taking the native americans land i stll dont think its sumthin to be proud of..i think im goin off topic but w/e

[racoons > you]

. If you are wondering how that is, please refer to earlier posts by Mr. Acid, Tweeak, and Sammi. We each explained how Whites are being discriminated (and some of us aren't even White).

humph...

if anyone else tries to claim that white history=american history, then i will actually go insane.

its been addressed, read the thread.

cuz native americans lived here first and it was their land..even though there would be no america without white ppl coming and taking the native americans land i stll dont think its sumthin to be proud of..i think im goin off topic but w/e

yes you were. again, if the argument for denying white people racial recognition is that they were responsible for most of the bad things in america's history, i would point out again, that the slave trade began with black people in africa, selling members of tribes who lost battles or whatever. the greaes woe to befall the american blacks was in fact, not the fault of the white man, but of their own ancestors. bhm conveniently glosses over that a bit, wouldn't you say?

[*mona lisa*]

the greaes woe to befall the american blacks was in fact, not the fault of the white man, but of their own ancestors. bhm conveniently glosses over that a bit, wouldn't you say?

but what the whites did were much harsher than what their ancestors. they were beaten and denied rights because of their color. they couldn't appreciate anyone who had dark skin.

[racoons > you]

not really... i mean their ancestors were the ones who first devalued them enough treat them as nothin gmore than currency...

well actually i suppose thats true for subsequent generations, but the root of the issue lay with the africans... *shrugs* we could quibble all day over that.

[Enchantress101]

You know, as a black female, I am kind of on the fence about affirmative action. This white girl said to me last year, "I wish I were black so that I could get a lot of minority scholorships." Well, I almost punched this girl in her face. See, out of the ten or sor scholorships and grants that I got, only ONE was for being a black female! The others, any white person, asian person, purple person could've gotten. Sorry, but I was also ranked 28 in my class and had a lot of extracurriular activites and my essays kicked butt so maybe that's why I a) got into a good school and b) got a lot of scholorships.

Anyway, white history month . . . Grow up. Stop whining, "ohh, black people have a month for themeselves and white people don't, wah, wah, wah." Truly, what we study in class is WHITE PEOPLE. ADMIT IT, okay? Do we study Asian history? African History? South American History in high school? NO! We learn a little bit about these places because some white dudes had an impact (probably a BAD one) on the natives of that place. For instance, we learn about the Aztecs and stuff just a TINY bit because some European white guys came and killed them all. Believe me, if they hadn't, we wouldn't learn a flipping thing about them.

Take one of my history college classes this year--we were talking about the Age of Exploration, and slave trade, and the teacher was like "slavery was bad, they piled a whole bunch of black people onto some ships and most of them died--okay, next slide!" And that was it. Oh, and about the natives of South America, it was like, "Okay, some spanish dudes came over and killed slaughtered them, next slide."

In high school I don't remember learning about one black person, or at least in as in depth as the white people. Honestly.

So, the point of my long-winded rant is this--while history may not be "white history," in school we focus on America and Western Europe, never mind the fact that people were doing stuff in Asia and Africa and South America at the same time. I guess those places didn't exist until Europe and America came over and stuck their noses into their business.

[racoons > you]

the reason we focus most on western culture is because it is the western civilizations which have grown into the most powerful on earth, and are therefore most relevant.

and as for the girl who wanted scholarships... well, there are scholarwships, such as AA whic are targetted towards black people. so she wants to take advantage of them. i would want all the advantages i could get too... thats just natural

as far as the rest of your points are concerned, they've already been addressed

[Enchantress101]

the reason we focus most on western culture is because it is the western civilizations which have grown into the most powerful on earth, and are therefore most relevant.

Oh, so we should only study the really important, powerful people? I guess that's why we don't study blacks and asians and stuff in school, because they wren't important in the grand scheme of things because they didn't contribute to the world enough. Well, maybe black people didn't have the chance to impact the world back then because they were slaves, so . . .

That's what's wrong with America today, and that's why people hate us all around the world. We're just gonna focus on the really important people and let others suffer and die because they don't have oil or land or other resources that we can use . . . And that's fine, right? I guess so.

It is important to have a well rounded education and understanding of the world, not just an understanding of the "important" and "powerful" people.

[Spirited Away]

i never said kids shouldnt learn about white ppl in history... and jus cuz they "found" america dusnt seem very braggable to me ..if thats a word :) cuz native americans lived here first and it was their land..even though there would be no america without white ppl coming and taking the native americans land i stll dont think its sumthin to be proud of..i think im goin off topic but w/e

Seeing how I'm Asian, born in another country, I don't see how I can brag about Whites finding America. I'm simply stating a fact and I'm sorry if it came up sounding otherwise. Now note that I didn't say that Whites founded the Americas, because that would be politically incorrect as you have pointed out. However, I said that Whites found America, and I simply meant the US of A as a whole.

You know, it's true that Native Americans were here first and I would never disagre with anyone on that note, but without the arrival of Whitemen, would America be what it is today?

You know, as a black female, I am kind of on the fence about affirmative action. This white girl said to me last year, "I wish I were black so that I could get a lot of minority scholorships." Well, I almost punched this girl in her face. See, out of the ten or sor scholorships and grants that I got, only ONE was for being a black female! The others, any white person, asian person, purple person could've gotten. Sorry, but I was also ranked 28 in my class and had a lot of extracurriular activites and my essays kicked butt so maybe that's why I a) got into a good school and b) got a lot of scholorships.

You know, as an Asian American, I'm kind of on the fence about Affirmative Action. Several White people that I associate with belong to borderline low income social status. Because their parents make just enough for food and housing, the government thinks their parents can pay for college tuition simply because... they're White. Those guys and gals WORK THEIR BUTTS OFF to pay for tuition (I should know we all work together) because their parents can't afford it and they are only qualified for loans. They car pool with me at times or to go school by bus because they don't have rides. These kids are top 10% of their graduation class (so was I) and I've read their stuff. They're not incompetent nor are they just average, but they are at a disavantage.
This makes me wonder, I'm Asian and I qualify for Financial Aid, loans scholarships and all, but they are in the same financial set back, but why aren't they qualified?

Anyway, white history month . . . Grow up. Stop whining, "ohh, black people have a month for themeselves and white people don't, wah, wah, wah." Truly, what we study in class is WHITE PEOPLE. ADMIT IT, okay? Do we study Asian history? African History? South American History in high school? NO! We learn a little bit about these places because some white dudes had an impact (probably a BAD one) on the natives of that place. For instance, we learn about the Aztecs and stuff just a TINY bit because some European white guys came and killed them all. Believe me, if they hadn't, we wouldn't learn a flipping thing about them.

I think this is the last time this point should be brought up because it has been said and talked about too many times. WHITE HISTORY IS NOT AMERICAN HISTORY. I don't see how you'd want people to not study Whites in American History. Once again, what do you want? Take all the White folks out of history books? Then what will you get? The founding of the Americas and then, KABAMM, civil rights movement? What kind of history is that?

It depends on YOUR SCHOOL DISTRICT as to what the curriculum involves. In Houston Independent school District, we learn plenty about EVERYONE. But you know, why would a 5th grader learn in great depth about the Aztecs? Wouldn't it make more sense for a child to learn a little bit about other cultures and then learn more on their own if they're interested?

Take one of my history college classes this year--we were talking about the Age of Exploration, and slave trade, and the teacher was like "slavery was bad, they piled a whole bunch of black people onto some ships and most of them died--okay, next slide!" And that was it. Oh, and about the natives of South America, it was like, "Okay, some spanish dudes came over and killed slaughtered them, next slide."

Huh.... this is my 3rd year at the University of Houston and I know for sure that all classes are like that. If you take American history, you would focus on American History, Whites, Blacks, Asians, Hispanics and all that jazz. What you experience in one educational facility does not reflect what all educational facility has.

In high school I don't remember learning about one black person, or at least in as in depth as the white people. Honestly.

I learned about Harriet Tubman in 4th grade and again in 8th grade damn it and that was in California and Texas. What ISD did you attended?

So, the point of my long-winded rant is this--while history may not be "white history," in school we focus on America and Western Europe, never mind the fact that people were doing stuff in Asia and Africa and South America at the same time. I guess those places didn't exist until Europe and America came over and stuck their noses into their business.

It's called World History. If your school doesn't include that in the curriculum, then rant to your Board of Educators and ask for change. As far as I know, the schools the that I attended all focused on many cultures. Don't blame just White people about what you're learning in school, blame the Board.

[racoons > you]

Oh, so we should only study the really important, powerful people? I guess that's why we don't study blacks and asians and stuff in school, because they wren't important in the grand scheme of things because they didn't contribute to the world enough. Well, maybe black people didn't have the chance to impact the world back then because they were slaves, so . . .

you misinterpreted what i said. i said we study western culture. not white culture. as fae, myself, and others have pointed out again and again, that is NOT THE SAME THING!

you said that we dont learn about the aztecs as much as we do about american history, correct? yes. well, that is because, seeing as how you live in america and all (you do, dont you), american history is more important. yes it is. and civil rights and the slave trade are parts of american history. if your school system didnt cover those things, than you are very much in the majority

to automatically assume that people consider themselves superior because of race is one of the greatest ways of inciting racism. i mean, if you look hard enough for something, you may fin it wether or not its there...

[Jayboy]

When it all boils down this is what where left with. There is no innocent. Every culture, and every race at some point in history owned slaves. From the Egyptians, to the Chinese, Greeks, and Romans to English, and yes even the Blacks of Africa and those who where in the Caribbeans later on had slaves of there own race. In history, the powerful would controle the weak, thats just the way it was. If you didnt have an army, if you wernt united, and depending on your technological level, you may of been the conquered, its happens. This way of accepted lifestyle for the times they existed in shouldnt be subsribed to a single race, or a certain people just because the white people committed it last. Luckly a 2nd age of reason has happend apon us, and we understand that the powerful should not conquer the weak, but help them, even if not everyone does it, and i dont mean by race either. I mean by stature. The rich to help the poor, or the full to help the hungry. If you want to remember the past thats fine but dont take an offence to a people for what had happened, or you'd have to get mad at the entire world for the countless repeated offences to a certain act.

[Im So Vain]

well the black history month...was more because of slaves and remembering everything. on the moderate, most black people went through a lot more then white people. yeah i guess it is unfar, how if i was just born black i could celebrate that month, but since i'm white i can't? my ancestors wern't even around during slavery. they came from sweden. but so many black people did go thorugh a lot..

anyway i suppose some black people are actually a little racist to me, just because i am white. they dont even know what my ancestors did...for all they know, they could have helped with the underground railroad or soemthing...actually once again they lived in sweden. but i think some people are a bit to judgemental just for being white..well thats my rant.

i agree with the first part of what you said. but what ppl need to know is that black history month is not about slavery. like the other posters said in the history bools all you see is white ppl. and you have the nerve to complain about not havin a white history month. isnt whats in the books enough. cant black ppl just have their 1 little short month. GOSH FRIGGEN IDIOTS (j/p!)