White history month?, racism Options

[sammi rules you]

jews and blacks situation is COMPLETELY different....u cant compare the 2 like that....

umm..yea you can.

uh....yes u do......

uh..no i don't.

u wanna talk about unfairness?....being kidnapped by from ur home, taken to a foreign land to become a slave is not fair....finally winning ur freedom after hundreds of years, but still suffering century of discrimination and racism is not fair...finally winning equal rights, and then some ignorant kids complaining that blacks get MORE ADVANTAGES than whites..... is just f**king retarded....and unfair

well, jews have been discriminated against for FAR longer than blacks have. and being taken from your home into a foreign land to work till you die? is that not what happened in the holocaust? i suggest you get some more intelligence before you post.

.....and u said that u just want to make everything equal.....but the truth is that everything is not equal....at least not yet....

duh, that would be what we're trying to accomplish.

black kids have LESS of an opportunity to succeed than white kids....  will u argue back at that and say "black kids and white kids have COMPLETELY EQUAL opportunity to succeed"..... can u really say that to me straight?

how do black kids have less of an opportunity?..yes, i can say that. a black kid has the same chance to do well just as i do. i don't see how they have a lesser chance because they're black..

and may i inform you that the word "ghetto" was originally a name for a poor part of town in which jews were set off from the rest.

[Azn Kid from NY]

touch my monkey and MarchHare2UrAlice, u dont understand the broader concept of the issue, making it impossible to argue..... so im sorry , im gonna have to ignroe u guys....

tipping the scales of justics to make both sides the same height is not the same as having both sides equal.

as long as any group recieves bonuses to 'help them compete' or to 'level the playing field', it is injustice.

for example, if a soccer team of 12 year-olds went up against manchester united, the soccer team of 12 year-olds would be slaughtered. But you decide to 'level the playing field' and so the 12 year olds have a 75 centimeter by 120 centimeter goal for thier keeper to guard, and manchester united has a 2 meter by 5 meter goal for thier keeper to guard, is that equality?

sadolakced acid, ok....let me get this straight......

blacks are generally poorer and less educated than whites, therefore the playing field is tipped to help them a little....and u say that this is injustice?

do u realize what ur saying? blacks were at the bottom of society until the 1960's, had no opportunity or hope...most blacks were dirt poor because of discrimination by whites...u HAVE to level the playing field, or else they would have no chance to rise up....

sadolakced acid, let me give u this example, how affirmative action is fair and provides fair opportunity....

a white kid living in white suburbia, with a generally stable family and nice neighbors and friends, scores a 1400 on the SAT...he applies to ivy league college, and he is rejected....

a black kid growing up in the inner city, exposed to gangs, drugs and violence, with a single mother working late nights to support her children, scores a 1400 on the SAT...applies to ivy league college....and is accepted....

is that injustice?

[sammi rules you]

^ i live next door to a black family, and we live in the suburbs. i live with a single parent, with not too many friends. should i not get accepted just because i'm white?

i believe it's you who's not grasping what we're trying to say. maybe YOU'RE the one who should open your brain a bit.

[Kriegsgefangene]

u wanna talk about unfairness?....being kidnapped by from ur home, taken to a foreign land to become a slave is not fair....finally winning ur freedom after hundreds of years, but still suffering century of discrimination and racism is not fair...finally winning equal rights, and then some ignorant kids complaining that blacks get MORE ADVANTAGES than whites..... is just f**king retarded....and unfair

Uh...

At least the slaves got to live. I would have committed suicide.

The jews have been persecuted. And are still. There is no stopping that. The blacks are recognized now, but the jewish people are still being hit on by lots of people.

At least numerous Black people weren't nailed to the cross...

[Kriegsgefangene]

do u realize what ur saying?  blacks were at the bottom of society until the 1960's, had no opportunity or hope...most blacks were dirt poor because of discrimination by whites...u HAVE to level the playing field, or else they would have no chance to rise up....

Sorry, for the double post..

But in the 1960's..

IT WAS IN THE SOUTH. The northern states were fine with blacks. We were pro-freedom for the blacks in the North.

The south is where you hear all the stories. So actually-
We are only hearing the bad side of the story. Most of the blacks who escaped north had better lives. And actually pattened their inventions.. like peanut butter :P

[ItzOnlySydney]

i think there should be an asian history month. i'd kill to be asian they're all so beautiful and they diserve to be recognized too!

[Spirited Away]

i think there should be an asian history month. i'd kill to be asian they're all so beautiful and they diserve to be recognized too!

-_- There is Asian-Pacific American Heritage Month.... which celebrates the same idea as Asian history and culture.

a white kid living in white suburbia, with a generally stable family and nice neighbors and friends, scores a 1400 on the SAT...he applies to ivy league college, and he is rejected....

a black kid growing up in the inner city, exposed to gangs, drugs and violence, with a single mother working late nights to support her children, scores a 1400 on the SAT...applies to ivy league college....and is accepted....

is that injustice?

IF the Black kid is accepted and the White rejected because of AA and because of their skin color instead of their merits, then YES it is injustice, something called REVERSE DISCRIMINATION.

[sadolakced acid]

touch my monkey and MarchHare2UrAlice, u dont understand the broader concept of the issue, making it impossible to argue..... so im sorry , im gonna have to ignroe u guys....
sadolakced acid, ok....let me get this straight......

blacks are generally poorer and less educated than whites, therefore the playing field is tipped to help them a little....and u say that this is injustice?

do u realize what ur saying?  blacks were at the bottom of society until the 1960's, had no opportunity or hope...most blacks were dirt poor because of discrimination by whites...u HAVE to level the playing field, or else they would have no chance to rise up....

sadolakced acid, let me give u this example, how affirmative action is fair and provides fair opportunity....

a white kid living in white suburbia, with a generally stable family and nice neighbors and friends, scores a 1400 on the SAT...he applies to ivy league college, and he is rejected....

a black kid growing up in the inner city, exposed to gangs, drugs and violence,  with a single mother working late nights to support her children, scores a 1400 on the SAT...applies to ivy league college....and is accepted....

is that injustice?

let's point out how affirmative action works.

a poor white kid grows up in a trailer park, studys hard and gets a 1300 on his SATs, applies to Michigan state and is rejected.

a rich black kid grows up in a rich suburb, doesn't care about school, gets a 900 on his SATs and is accepted into michagan state.

Here's another example. i'll make it this way as to not piss you off.

say your IQ is twice mine. someone else comes and decides that i'm disadvangaged. So, no matter how good your debate is, that person decides that since i'm disadvantaged, i win anyways. no matter what your debate is. no matter how much you argue.

likewise, it it putting a 5 year old and a 10th degree black belt in karate in a fight, deciding the 5 year old is at a disadvantage and handing him a gun.

likewise, it is saying how z is a very underused letter, and it should be in a 1/26th ratio in all paragraphs. however, z is not in this paragraph enough times, so to compensate you tack on extra z's, even if they are not qualified. zzzz

blacks are generally poorer and less educated than whites, therefore the playing field is tipped to help them a little....and u say that this is injustice?

wow, aren't being racist here, are we. Can't Affirmative action points be awarded based on WEALTH instead of RACE?

do u realize what ur saying?  blacks were at the bottom of society until the 1960's, had no opportunity or hope...most blacks were dirt poor because of discrimination by whites...u HAVE to level the playing field, or else they would have no chance to rise up....

yes i realize what i'm saying. i'm saying blacks are able people, and can achive anything. they are not stupider than whites because they are black, like you are saying, and they are not poorer than whites because they are blakc, like you are saying.

YOU F*CKING LEVEL THE PLAYING FIELD BY GETTING RID OF DISCRIMINATION, NOT ADDING MORE.

edit: sorry, i thought there was a filter.

This post has been edited by sadolakced acid: Feb 2 2005, 06:17 PM

[xquizit]

Can't Affirmative action points be awarded based on WEALTH instead of RACE? 

I like this idea.

[lady_karamelle]

I like this idea.

yes I firmly agree thats how it should be. because I know that I personally have to check one race even tho I'm multiple, and they always chack me as black, but I was raised in a wealthy white suburban home, with access to everything I ever needed to become anything from a doctor to a historian. but I know I have greater chances of going to some prestigious school than the kids in the lower level naighborhoods that are white...I dont think thats fair..

[onenonly101]

.. I haven't been here for a while

First for everyone here who has stated "im not racist.....most black people are poor and living in the ghetto" most would have to account for more 50% to be in poverty. Do you realize that 23% of black poeple are in poverty. That it not most nor alot. The generalizations and ignorance of black people is just as bad as you coming up to me and saying you stupid nigger and ect

[racoons > you]

At least numerous Black people weren't nailed to the cross...

if u talk metaphorically they have been

blacks are generally poorer and less educated than whites, therefore the playing field is tipped to help them a little....and u say that this is injustice?

it may not be injustice, but its not EQUALITY, they're two different things

I like this idea.

me too

touch my monkey and MarchHare2UrAlice, u dont understand the broader concept of the issue, making it impossible to argue..... so im sorry , im gonna have to ignroe u guys....

do u mean we dont understand the issue, or we dont agree?

if u really feel this is the case, then please, explain exactly what the issue you think you're debating is.

yes i realize what i'm saying. i'm saying blacks are able people, and can achive anything. they are not stupider than whites because they are black, like you are saying, and they are not poorer than whites because they are blakc, like you are saying.

YOU f**king LEVEL THE PLAYING FIELD BY GETTING RID OF DISCRIMINATION, NOT ADDING MORE.

way to sum it up. i fblack people campaign for equality, and then accept benefits which make it less equal. you cant pick and choose equality when it suits you.

most blacks were dirt poor because of discrimination by whites.

yes, but even those who aren't recieve that same benefits under AA as those who are solely on the basis of their skin colour, if i understand sadolekced correctly

[Azn Kid from NY]

since affirmative action, many blacks and minorities have been able to gain opportunities that they otherwise would not have been able to achieve...am i correct or am i wrong? has it or has it not helped blacks, minorities, and women gain more of a foothold and a equal standing against the white male which used to rule so dominantly?

sadolakced acid, i wonder what ur motives are.... do u hold ur position truly because u are SO determined to uphold justice and racial equality? i dont think so....

and dont decieve the people on this forum as if whites are the victims...white men are still the dominant people in the workforce...white men still get higher pay, and higher postions....minorites and blacks are still heavily underpaid and underrepresented..

see what a hypocrite u are....u want to scrap affirmative action... but in doing that, u will let the orginal racial economic injustices that affirmative action was built to fix, to remain intact....

[racoons > you]

^^

yes but he's shown hot the AA causes inequality, so surely abolishing it isnt promoting inequaity, but just inverting it?

and whats wrong with the idea of basing it on wealth not race.

[*xcaitlinx*]

i think its good to have black history month, because it shows that white people were trashy slave holding lazy jackasses way back when.






haha...i think it does go over the edge .... because we all know how pathetic whites were when slaves/segregation/discrimination existed [cough cough .. still does]. we all learn aobut it over and over again in school, so we dont need a holiday...just to make white people feel shitty about themselves.

[*xcaitlinx*]

Sorry, for the double post..

But in the 1960's..

IT WAS IN THE SOUTH.  The northern states were fine with blacks.  We were pro-freedom for the blacks in the North. 

The south is where you hear all the stories.  So actually-
We are only hearing the bad side of the story.  Most of the blacks who escaped north had better lives.  And actually pattened their inventions.. like peanut butter :P

sry for the double post as well.


but the blacks DID have a better chance of surviving in the northeast when [if] they escaped. BUT...they still dealt with discrimination.

ex: some states passed laws that did not allow blacks to trade or deal with money without being accompanied by a white person.

there were many other laws that were enforced in the northeast that did not allow black people to pursue their lives the same as a businessman in the north did. however, they definitely did have it better than the slaves in the south.

[sammi rules you]

and dont decieve the people on this forum as if whites are the victims...white men are still the dominant people in the workforce...white men still get higher pay,  and higher postions....minorites and blacks are still heavily underpaid and underrepresented..

that's not true in the least. more minorities are being hired, and companies base hiring on ability, not race. just because a white person is hired to one company and not a minority raced person doesn't mean that it was based on race. it means the white person just happened to have the requirements needed and was more suited for the job.

sry for the double post as well.


but the blacks DID have a better chance of surviving in the northeast when [if] they escaped. BUT...they still dealt with discrimination.

ex: some states passed laws that did not allow blacks to trade or deal with money without being accompanied by a white person.

there were many other laws that were enforced in the northeast that did not allow black people to pursue their lives the same as a businessman in the north did. however, they definitely did have it better than the slaves in the south.

yes, but that state of mind is not in the minds of all white people today, so why should we have a lesser chance of getting into college than a black person?

edit;

haha...i think it does go over the edge .... because we all know how pathetic whites were when slaves/segregation/discrimination existed [cough cough .. still does]. we all learn aobut it over and over again in school, so we dont need a holiday...just to make white people feel shitty about themselves.

cough cough, you're discriminating against white people right now, cough cough.
cough cough, other people get discriminated against to, cough cough.

[racoons > you]

haha...i think it does go over the edge .... because we all know how pathetic whites were when slaves/segregation/discrimination existed [cough cough .. still does]. we all learn aobut it over and over again in school, so we dont need a holiday...just to make white people feel shitty about themselves.

yes but surely you cant hold a n entire race responsible fo rthe actions of their ancestors. can you?

[sammi rules you]

yes but surely you cant hold a n entire race responsible fo rthe actions of their ancestors. can you?

adding to his post..

if that's what you're doing, Azn Kid from NY, then all japanese people should be blamed for pearl harbor..i mean, it killed americans, right? and since you think what you're saying is true, you'd think that was true too, right?

or can i just not relate that to the issue at hand at all, and i don't know what i'm talking about..that's it, isn't it?

[sadolakced acid]

since affirmative action, many blacks and minorities have been able to gain opportunities that they otherwise would not have been able to achieve...am i correct or am i wrong?  has it or has it not helped blacks, minorities, and women gain more of a foothold and a equal standing against the white male which used to rule so dominantly?

sadolakced acid, i wonder what ur motives are.... do u hold ur position truly because u are SO determined to uphold justice and racial equality? i dont think so....

and dont decieve the people on this forum as if whites are the victims...white men are still the dominant people in the workforce...white men still get higher pay,  and higher postions....minorites and blacks are still heavily underpaid and underrepresented..

see what a hypocrite u are....u want to scrap affirmative action... but in doing that, u will let the orginal racial economic injustices that affirmative action was built to fix, to remain intact....

i refuse any benifits affirmative action will give me. I do not bubble my race when there is that option.

since affirmative action, many blacks and minorities have been able to gain opportunities that they otherwise would not have been able to achieve...am i correct or am i wrong?  has it or has it not helped blacks, minorities, and women gain more of a foothold and a equal standing against the white male which used to rule so dominantly?

wrong. since affirmative action, many minorities have been able to gain opportunities they are not qualified to achieve, and thus fail to acomplish anything in theses opportunities.

Minorities that recieve affirmative action go to a harder, more prestegious college because of affirmative action. which means more of them are not prepared for it.

affirmative action furthurs stereotypes like blacks are stupid and poor.

sadolakced acid, i wonder what ur motives are.... do u hold ur position truly because u are SO determined to uphold justice and racial equality? i dont think so....

ok, i'll tell you my motives. I belive all races are equal. Your race does not make you better or worse than someone. and i belive affirmative action is saying "blacks, hispanics, and Native americans are too dumb to compete with white men in the workforce. So let's put them in hard jobs in which they're more likely to fail, so that everyone can think that blacks, hispanics, and native americans are too dumb to hold a job. "

and dont decieve the people on this forum as if whites are the victims...white men are still the dominant people in the workforce...white men still get higher pay,  and higher postions....minorites and blacks are still heavily underpaid and underrepresented..

when have i said whites are victims? i have not. Minorities should be paid the same as whites. They should not have equal representation. they're a minority, because there are LESS of them. The way to correct minorities being underrepresented and underpaid is to REMOVE discrimination, NOT add more, in the opposite direction.

see what a hypocrite u are....u want to scrap affirmative action... but in doing that, u will let the orginal racial economic injustices that affirmative action was built to fix, to remain intact....

i want to scrap affirmative action. It is saying race has something to do with how smart you are. It is saying that minorities cannot suceed without special privalges.

I would let the original racial and economical injustice return. I would use MONITIORING to ensure that race is never a factor. i would use PUBLIC LIBRARIES and FINACIAL AID to counteract economic factors. I would make all resources avalible to the rich avalible at a public library.

OH WAIT... let's see.... IT"S ALREADY BEEN DONE.
there are monitoring groups to help ensure race is not a factor. there are public libraries where poor people can check out books and use the internet. there IS finacial aid so that poor students can go to collegees they get into based on thier ACHIEVEMENT.

[Spirited Away]

I do not bubble my race when there is that option.

I do that, too.

You know, opposing sides usually ignore me so I don't think I'll say anything else on this subject.

[sammi rules you]

^ there's only really one person there who's not paying attention or comprehending..

something i'd just like to point out.

this proves all the stuff i said about jews before (you better read it before posting!) about not getting the recognition they deserve..jews are a minority. but how many people know ANYTHING about jews?

http://www.createblog.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=61126

apparently not a lot.

[*kryogenix*]

I wasn't implying that it was any one's fault.  I was stating the fact that not many people know about pre-16th-17th century Africa becasue it isn't well documented.

Also, even if it was documented, were the events taking place during that time period affecting worldwide affairs?

[edit]by the way, AZN Kid from NY, please stop your ad hominem personal attacks. don't use profane language and keep a cool head. this is your only warning.

[Azn Kid from NY]

^hahah sorry...im not angry at all....its just that, i write as if i am talking...and i curse alot...so ill stop...

---in response to sadolakced acid---

wrong. since affirmative action, many minorities have been able to gain opportunities they are not qualified to achieve, and thus fail to acomplish anything in theses opportunities.

oh? we see things very differently.....i see it as minorities gainiing opportunity they were always qualified for, but never had access to it...

ok, i'll tell you my motives. I belive all races are equal. Your race does not make you better or worse than someone. and i belive affirmative action is saying "blacks, hispanics, and Native americans are too dumb to compete with white men in the workforce. So let's put them in hard jobs in which they're more likely to fail, so that everyone can think that blacks, hispanics, and native americans are too dumb to hold a job. "

by this statement, i know now that u dont understand affirmative action....it does not talk at all about any race being inferior at all...yes u are right OF COURSE, blacks and minorities have EQUAL ABILITY to succeed....but that is not what affirmative action is about.....its about blacks and minorities being given the EQUAL OPPORTUNITY to succeed...that is what they DONT have, which is what affirmative action tries to provide...

[Kriegsgefangene]

Sorry if this seems sort of off topic, but for those of you who remember-

This Azn Kid from NY seems like that Asian dude who went to the rehearsal thing for American Idol, and thought he was soooo good. And Simon totally ripped on him. But he thought he was awesome anyways.

Hehe..

This seems very similar in a way.


... I just had to add that. Sorry.