White history month?, racism Options

[i_screwed_bam]

I disagree. Those days were only here because they contributed a lot to america. Whites weren't the slaves now were they?

yeah but those days of slavery are supposably over but we dont need to make to black people for it, its not like well okay scince our great grand parents made your great grand parents slaves were going to give you a whole month to celebrate your family going through it, you kno we learn about it every yyear and already kno what had happend so we should just not do it so much

[sammi rules you]

^ that would be ignorance, but i can't insult your opinion.

[Spirited Away]

And I kind of agree with you, Jewish and Black people did get a copious amount of mistreatment and injustice, Jewish perhaps more than Blacks.  But then again, African history isn't well documented, so who knows?

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I think Black history is very well documented, or at least, it is as documented as American history.

The fact that there are measures taken to ensure "equality" exist because there is still discrimination. Not only does this modern day discrimination stem from hatred and feelings of superiority from the races, but also from differences of belief, gender, habits, lifestyle... etc.

There isn't just ONE minority and there isn't just ONE group who is discriminated against, and Whites are NOT the only ones doing the discriminating. Every race, religion, gender, life stylers is guilty. Is it fair to blame all hate on one race in our contemporary world? Yes, there have been grave injustices in the past against minority groups, but who here lived in that era? Who here owns a slave? Who here said a hate word against another race because they truly hate?

Not I, and I'm sure that most young white kids on cB aren't guilty of the above either. However, because they were born White, their skin color make them guilty of what their people have done to other races in the eyes of "minorities"... Now wait a minute, isn't such stereotype a sort of discrimination that Blacks suffered?


Anyway, I have no sides on this debate as I feel that both sides have their own "right".

[sadolakced acid]

you know that all those standardized tests have the race bubble so they can say "blacks and females are stastitically worse at math than white males."

[Spirited Away]

Thus I say that there are "rights" for both sides.



But... it isn't fair for those who just want to exist on equal grounds.

[bellpepper]

First I do not think that African Americans are getting more recognition than whites. Just because we have a black history month doesnt mean ohhh white people are not important. We are all equal. Just because my culture had slavery in the background does not mean im better. Just because the Native Americans were moved out of their native land doesnt mean their better. NO matter how much struggle your race has been through WE ARE ALL EQUAL. We are all created equal! And that will NEVER change.

I am African American and it really hurts me when people think that we have everything easy. No we dont. NO matter what color you are nothing is easy. AFrican Americans started the united negro college fund to help ourselfs succeed. We are not trying to depend on white people to give us money and use slavery for an excuss. Im not trying to say that slavery wasnt a stuggle. It was a horrible stuggle. However there is a difference in reflecting on the past and still living in it. And the reason why their is still discrimination today is because we still have alot of people living in the past.

[hi-C]

I think Black history is very well documented, or at least, it is as documented as American history.

I didn't say Black history. I said African history. Black refers to those living in America. I was talking about those living in pre-16th-17th century Africa.

[karrar]

African history is pretty well documented.

[lady_karamelle]

umm..the reason we dont have white history month is because every other month of the year is white history month. Thats all we ever learned about, cuz we live in a white country. Black history month just brings the curriculum to a different angle. cuz all I learned in school was about martin luther king. And then during black history month we did a project every year on some famous black person and it was back to the regular curriculum. I don't think its a big deal really...I can't imagine how even less I would know about black history if it hadnt been for black history month.

[Azn Kid from NY]

if i am jewish and i put on my test that i am am i gonna get as much extra points as black people get?
no i am not.

jews and blacks situation is COMPLETELY different....u cant compare the 2 like that....

did my great-grandmother die in the holocaust?
yes she did.

do i get any recognition for that?
no i don't.

uh....yes u do......

and i'm not just trying to talk about jewish people, it's all types. black people do get more recognition than others because they're black. sure, white people are the majority and there's a lot of things about white people, but it's not because they're white. black people get more recognition purely because they're black, and that's what's not fair.

u wanna talk about unfairness?....being kidnapped by from ur home, taken to a foreign land to become a slave is not fair....finally winning ur freedom after hundreds of years, but still suffering century of discrimination and racism is not fair...finally winning equal rights, and then some ignorant kids complaining that blacks get MORE ADVANTAGES than whites..... is just f**king retarded....and unfair

.....and u said that u just want to make everything equal.....but the truth is that everything is not equal....at least not yet....

black kids have LESS of an opportunity to succeed than white kids.... will u argue back at that and say "black kids and white kids have COMPLETELY EQUAL opportunity to succeed"..... can u really say that to me straight?

[norconlipentut]

WHITE POWER!!! (NOT RACIST)

[racoons > you]

WHITE POWER!!! (NOT RACIST)

that is ridiculous

u wanna talk about unfairness?....being kidnapped by from ur home, taken to a foreign land to become a slave is not fair....

and also not entirely accuratte. the slave trade exited in Africa for years before the white men arrived on te west coast. dominant tribes raided the villages of those they considered to be inferior, and took the surviovrs as slaves. the white men arrived looking for gold, and the first Portugese explorers were introduced to 'flesh as currency' by a complex society already in place.

slavery didnt originate with white people, although this certainly doesnt make the existene of the American slave trade right or justifiable.

every other month of the year is white history month

*sigh*
we've addressed this before. this majority of historical figures are white, but they dont receive specific recognition for being white. i mean if ben frankiln (and please dont jump down my throat, i know it would never have happened tyhis way, but its hypothetical, so deal) had done all the things he did, but had been black he would still be in the history books.

uh....yes u do......

(in reference to touch's comments about her great grandmother's death in the holocaust)

im sure touch herself could respond to this better, but im gonna anyway, sorry if u wanted to handle it yourself.

first of all thats a ridiculous comment, equivalent to 'nuh-uh' 'yeh-huh' type bickering.

not at all iin the same way that a black person would. i mean, having aan ancestor who died in terh holocaust will not help u on a colledge app, being black will. (this could be incorreect, perhaps sadolakced cand clarify, he seems to be the statistics man around here) and no one can look at her automatically and think, 'oh she has the holocaust in her blood', as they could identify a black person.

However, because they were born White, their skin color make them guilty of what their people have done to other races in the eyes of "minorities"... Now wait a minute, isn't such stereotype a sort of discrimination that Blacks suffered?

i agree. surely that kind of opinion is ignorance in itself, and can only lead to a continuation of hared and bigotry

[Azn Kid from NY]

^ hahaha yeah..u just took that slaverry comment totoally out of context....

and yesjews suffered, but not even close to the scale of what blacks did, and as i said before, the situation is different....u dont see poor jews living in ghettoes today do u?

..... and also...... y are u completely ignoring the rest of my post?...u are focusing on irrevalent details....and ignoring my main point....

[Spirited Away]

I didn't say Black history.  I said African history.  Black refers to those living in America.  I was talking about those living in pre-16th-17th century Africa.

And whose fault would that be? White Americans?

jews and blacks situation is COMPLETELY different....u cant compare the 2 like that....

They cannot be compared? Why not? Weren't both groups persecuted, enslaved for a "crime" they have NO CONTROL over?

u wanna talk about unfairness?....being kidnapped by from ur home, taken to a foreign land to become a slave is not fair....finally winning ur freedom after hundreds of years, but still suffering century of discrimination and racism is not fair...finally winning equal rights, and then some ignorant kids complaining that blacks get MORE ADVANTAGES than whites..... is just f**king retarded....and unfair

You do know that MANY of the kidnapping were done by tribes against tribes because they were fighting for power right? Not all the kidnappings were done by White men. Tribes "sold" other tribes in order to gain control over regions and also for wealth. Go grab your history book and read up on that before blaming things on just one group of people or else YOU would judge "unfairly".

.....and u said that u just want to make everything equal.....but the truth is that everything is not equal....at least not yet....

True.

black kids have LESS of an opportunity to succeed than white kids.... will u argue back at that and say "black kids and white kids have COMPLETELY EQUAL opportunity to succeed"..... can u really say that to me straight?

Not completely true. Black kids have as much of an opportunity to succeed as White, Asians, Hispanic kids. Though minorities have to try harder, we still have opportunities. Success depends on who tries to grasp those opportunities with all their might and will not let go until they get what they want. There are MANY successful Blacks. For example: I am Asian and I work under a Black supervisor. I respect her and I look up to her as I usually respect ALL hardworking individuals. She recently turned 24 but is working towards her graduate degree and is a director who controls a whole department.

i agree. surely that kind of opinion is ignorance in itself, and can only lead to a continuation of hared and bigotry

I think it's also very ironic.

[karrar]

seriously, yal need a hug. Yall should sit around and sing a couple of verses from koombaya my love. When your done with that continue by reciting peace train .

[Spirited Away]

seriously, yal need a hug. Yall  should sit around and sing a couple of verses from koombaya my love. When your done with that continue by reciting peace train .

And what does that have to do with the discussion at hand? But... though I would like to sing... I do not know the verses... How about... It's A Small World After All?

[racoons > you]

and yesjews suffered, but not even close to the scale of what blacks did, and as i said before, the situation is different....u dont see poor jews living in ghettoes today do u?

are u talking about just america, or the entire world, i think we might be at cross purposes.

..... and also...... y are u completely ignoring the rest of my post?...u are focusing on irrevalent details....and ignoring my main point....

well firstly if the details are irrelevant whats teh point in putting them in, and what does it matter if i pick up on them... personally i think they detract from your 'main point'

^ hahaha yeah..u just took that slaverry comment totoally out of context....

yeah i probably should have quoted ou tthe whole paragraph, as uninspiredfae did, but i was doing the same as her to try and point out the gap in your argument.

[KrunkMuzik]

All this topic is doing is bringing racist thoughts to our minds.

[racoons > you]

All this topic is doing is bringing racist thoughts to our minds.

no its not, its promoting the discussion of underlying tensions which still exist in the US and teh world today... if these things aren't addressed they can never really go away.

[ladymahogany87]

umm..the reason we dont have white history month is because every other month of the year is white history month.  Thats all we ever learned about, cuz we live in a white country.  Black history month just brings the curriculum to a different angle.  cuz all I learned in school was about martin luther king.  And then during black history month we did a project every year on some famous black person and it was back to the regular curriculum.  I don't think its a big deal really...I can't imagine how even less I would know about black history if it hadnt been for black history month. 

Thank you!! I think think you guys are focusing a little too much on the title "Black History Month." Black History Month is the only time famous blacks are seriously discussed besides Martin Luther King Jr. and Harriet Tubman. Even with the month I know that I know extremely little about black history and I'm sure that is the same with a lot of other people. I really think it's a shame. Personally I agree with Black History Month, but it should not be an end in itself. Hopefully one day in the future it won't be needed because every month will just be history month, with every important figure whether white, black, male, female, Asian, Latino, etc. included.

[Angel_Cece]

you guys need to go back and read that american history textbook i'm reading now in the 7th grade. this makes me wanna cry

umm..the reason we dont have white history month is because every other month of the year is white history month.  Thats all we ever learned about, cuz we live in a white country.  Black history month just brings the curriculum to a different angle.  cuz all I learned in school was about martin luther king.  And then during black history month we did a project every year on some famous black person and it was back to the regular curriculum.  I don't think its a big deal really...I can't imagine how even less I would know about black history if it hadnt been for black history month. 

agreed. I TOTALLY AGREE WITH HER.. this is so... geesh AND FOR THIS:

WHITE POWER!!! (NOT RACIST)

THAT IS RACIST.. so ignorant god...

[hi-C]

And whose fault would that be? White Americans?

I wasn't implying that it was any one's fault. I was stating the fact that not many people know about pre-16th-17th century Africa becasue it isn't well documented.

[sadolakced acid]

tipping the scales of justics to make both sides the same height is not the same as having both sides equal.

as long as any group recieves bonuses to 'help them compete' or to 'level the playing field', it is injustice.

for example, if a soccer team of 12 year-olds went up against manchester united, the soccer team of 12 year-olds would be slaughtered. But you decide to 'level the playing field' and so the 12 year olds have a 75 centimeter by 120 centimeter goal for thier keeper to guard, and manchester united has a 2 meter by 5 meter goal for thier keeper to guard, is that equality?

[*mSz_dOrk_anGeL*]

Do we have a history?
I mean we invented a wheel outta a rock
We shot some people a bunch
And made TV dinners.
Hrm.

[Spirited Away]

I wasn't implying that it was any one's fault.  I was stating the fact that not many people know about pre-16th-17th century Africa becasue it isn't well documented.

Even if it was well documented do you think "many" people would know about it? To make a point, I'd like to ask you some questions about the Vietnam War and see if you can answer a few of them without researching if that's okay with you. In my opinion, it was well documented but many people still do not have the whole picture of what it was about unless they do some research.

Likewise, even if African history was recorded extensively, I doubt "many" would know much about it if they do not devote sometime to studying it.

So, I don't think that it's fair to say that many people don't know about African history alone as it seems almost accusatory. Many people don't know much about history in general, even a lot of Americans are ignorant of American history.