Abortion., give me thoughts. Options

[Spirited Away]

I meant as in after the first day, why didn't she go to the police?

Not all women are released from captivity right away. I'm sure there are instances where kidnappers or rapists keep their victim with them for several days, if not weeks/months/years.

[forgottenrazor]

hmm,i think that woman should have the choice in wether they decide what to do with they're kids.I mean if you think about it,if the person doesnt have such a great life and to add on a baby i think your just spareing the kid & saving him from having to live in a world of poverty and such,but then people should also take responsiblity for they're actions.

[JlIaTMK]

abortion.... i dont think its right but kathleen.... i was raised into a family with abortions and i dont see it as right.... so dontsteriotype ok?

[inlonelinessidie]

It depends on how you're brought up. Everyone's different. Obviously, if you've grown up in a family full of women who get abortions left and right, you're going to think it's normal. On the other hand, if you see it as downright murder, you're going to think it's appalling to society.

I agree. But yeah that kinda is stereotype, not all people turn out that way but a majority does.

[islandkiss]

what if a woman was raped and abortion was illegal. so she's forced to take care of that baby?..

let's say a woman does get pregant.. and she realizes that she's unable to care for the baby.. don't most ppl learn from their mistakes? abortion gives some ppl a second chance.

[aGAinSHexscrEmS]

ABORTION IS MURDER!! i suppose i kind of understand why someone would get one, but how could you LIVE with that decision????! i know everyone says that the doctor is the murderer, which i guess is true, but would the doctor be doing that had you not told them to?! NOO!! i mean, it is SO NOT RIGHT to kill someone because of a mistake that YOU made, just so YOU can live how you want to-- it's completely, 100% SELFISH!!! and some people are all like "well you're not killing anyone-- you're just taking tissue out of your body" or whatever, but excuse me, TISSUE DOES NOT HAVE A HEART BEAT!!!!!!!!!!!! a fetus, however, DOES. if there is one thing in this world that i am 100% STRONGLY against, it is most definitely abortion. and even worse, do you know why "planned parenthood" was started?! to eliminate unwanted races (ex: african americans). that means that if you, as a mother, are saying "here kill my child", then you are really the same as HITLER, putting people in extermination camps!! i just really do NOT understand how people can be for abortion. i'm not really republican, because i'm for the people, but guess what?? the fetuses ARE PEOPLE!!!!!!! they may not be fully developed or anything, but THEY HAVE A HEARTBEAT which MAKES THEM A LIVING BEING and by aborting, you are KILLING. ABORTION IS HOMICIDE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! something seriously needs to be done to stop it. i mean, okay just go to google images, type in abortion, and LOOK at those little babies (which are clearly ALIVE and HUMAN)... i really just don't get HOW you could DO that... and i hope there isn't ONE SINGLE vegetarian out there who says that abortion is okay (because most are democrats) on account of IT IS KILLING AN ANIMAL (yes, humans are animals too!)!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! but let me just end with this:

YOU WILL NOT SILENCE MY MESSAGE
YOU WILL NOT MOCK MY GOD
YOU WILL STOP KILLING MY GENERATION

ROE v. WADE MUST GO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

rock for life

[Spirited Away]

ABORTION IS MURDER!! i suppose i kind of understand why someone would get one, but how could you LIVE with that decision????

It's the person's decision, so let them deal with their conscience. What does their peace of mind have to do with you? I mean, sure, they could go crazy and kill people, but what's the likelihood of that happening?

ABORTION IS HOMICIDE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

That's not what the law says... it's only your opinion.

[Sumiaki]

In some cases im against abortion and some i agree with abortion. For me, it depends on the scenario.

Say for instance a women gets raped. I would think she would have every right to get an abortion. It was not her choice to have sexual intercourse.

On the otherhand. If it was her choice to have sexual intercourse, i believe she should live with the responsibility of her actions. It's like killing a child because you made a mistake. In this case, abortion would seem like a "quick fix" and the woman would learn nothing from it.

But then again that's just my opinion.

[sweetdreamsx3]

It depends if abortion is alright because if you get raped, then you do have the right to have it aborted, but then again if you chose to have sex and you're pregnant, then you should deal with it..

Agreed with wunkrazieepinoy

[leeeza702]

its murder, just like murder someone older. it's murder. you make the choice to have sex.

I agree with you... shouldn't the choice be whether or not to have sex?? and NOT whether or not to have an abortion??

Un-Protected Sex = More chances of getting pregnant
Protected Sex = Less chances of getting pregnant

there are ways of avoiding getting pregnant... why do you have to do something after when you can do something before??

and in the cases of rape and/or sexual assault... I believe that since the person who got raped or sexually assaulted didn't choose to have sex, that then it's okay to get an abortion...

//EDIT// and I KNOW that this is only MY OPINION, and that everyone else will have a different opinion on it... just wanted to get that out of the way...

[mizz_mithy]

i see both sides.

if u have unprotected sex that was your choice and u have to deal with the consience. it was your choice to have sex therefore u have to dealwhat comes along with it. if your not ready to have a child than u should have thought about htat b4. in this sort of thing i think abortion is wrong. plus your killing your own child. a child has to die because you wer careless about what would happen the future.

but...

if you get raped it's a whole diffrent story.why would u want the child of your father to be a rapist? u didn't even have a choice whether wanted he child or not. in this case i think abortion it ok.

[slurp]

im really against it, i mean if youre not going to take care of the baby at least let the baby stay at an adoption place or something rather than killing it..

[sikdragon]

ok i made a comment on abortion explaining how it is inexcusable in any sense in another topic, QUIT MAKING NEW TOPICS ON THE SAME THING, just comment in the old one. Things like this are spam to me.

[s0emotionalx3]

I personally think it's okay. All of you out there who are saying it's murder, yes it IS murder and it is a living thing we're killing. But don't tell me you guys haven't killed anything like flies or anything. Why are you so worried about something that's being killed when it cannot even feel it? Do YOU remember how you felt when you were a fetus? I don't think so. So how do you know they can actually feel the pain? I don't see you guys arguing about killing other animals so why are you worried about killing a human baby thats not even fully developed yet and probably cannot feel what is happening yet.

And yes, women don't have to do abortion. They can put the baby into adoption but imagine if everyone who had a baby did that. Not all of those kiddys are going to be adopted. SOme of them are going to be orphaned. And not all those kiddys are going to go into a great family and forever wonder who their real parents are and why they didn't want them. Those of you who are adopted into a good family, good for you. But that is not the case for everyone. Some can lead a miserable life instead and you can't promise that won't happen. It could've been better off without them spending their whole life wondering about what could've once been.

And it IS the woman's decision whether or not to have sex. If she did it for the pleasure for it with a guy she trusted, then yes. SHe does deserve to have that baby and should not be allowed the privilage of abortion. However, like you all said, everyone deserves second chances. SO why not the mother too? If she did it over and over then she deserves it. If it was her first time, then shouldnt she deserve a second chance too?

But sometimes even if it IS the girl's choice, she should be allowed it. Because look at the world today. Theres peer pressure, rape, television, etc. Don't tell me none of you guys gave in to peer pressure ever before because Im sure as a teen, it's hard not to. Just because that one girl's decision to give in to those things or have rape happen to them is worse than yours, doesn't mean they DESERVE it. THey too can regret it

ANd yes I just rambled on and on so sorry

[sporadic]

Using a condom is just like abortion. imagine all the babies that aren't born because of condoms and birth control.

Just because the sperm is already in the egg doesn't make much of a difference. I don't see why abortion is so wrong.

I mean, if you kill a semi-conscience baby... yeah, that's wrong. But if it's not even a fetus? I say it's still the future mom's decision to make.

[*Kathleen*]

[quote]Not all women are released from captivity right away. I'm sure there are instances where kidnappers or rapists keep their victim with them for several days, if not weeks/months/years. [/quote]
I know, but I'm saying what about those that are only raped in one night?
[quote]I agree. But yeah that kinda is stereotype, not all people turn out that way but a majority does. [/quote]
I wouldn't call that a stereotype. I see a stereotype as "All goths are suicidal." It's what they're known for. When I said that, I was thinking about how parents pass down their beliefs to their children, and children usually take the same morals they're taught. How is that a stereotype?
[quote]let's say a woman does get pregant.. and she realizes that she's unable to care for the baby.. don't most ppl learn from their mistakes? abortion gives some ppl a second chance.[/quote]
And sex addicts? Those that are going to have sex left and right and can't get enough of it? Once they get an abortion, they'll want to keep having sex and whatnot and I'm sure it won't phase them.
[quote]In some cases im against abortion and some i agree with abortion. For me, it depends on the scenario.

Say for instance a women gets raped. I would think she would have every right to get an abortion. It was not her choice to have sexual intercourse.

On the otherhand. If it was her choice to have sexual intercourse, i believe she should live with the responsibility of her actions. It's like killing a child because you made a mistake. In this case, abortion would seem like a "quick fix" and the woman would learn nothing from it.

But then again that's just my opinion. [/quote]
[quote]It depends if abortion is alright because if you get raped, then you do have the right to have it aborted, but then again if you chose to have sex and you're pregnant, then you should deal with it..

Agreed with wunkrazieepinoy [/quote]
Half of that child belongs to the mother, too, you know. I mean, it's just as if some pregnant teenager found out she was pregnant after she broke up with her boyfriend. The boyfriend won't support her, so she'll have to take care of it herself.
[quote]and in the cases of rape and/or sexual assault... I believe that since the person who got raped or sexually assaulted didn't choose to have sex, that then it's okay to get an abortion...[/quote]
Yes, but everyone's saying this. You can either have or not have abortion. I mean, just because the father was a criminal doesn't mean the child has to pay. I know that the mother would have to go through it, but it's her child as well.
[quote]ok i made a comment on abortion explaining how it is inexcusable in any sense in another topic, QUIT MAKING NEW TOPICS ON THE SAME THING, just comment in the old one. Things like this are spam to me. [/quote]
Yeah, I was wondering why the heck there's another thread on this.
[quote]I personally think it's okay. All of you out there who are saying it's murder, yes it IS murder and it is a living thing we're killing. But don't tell me you guys haven't killed anything like flies or anything. Why are you so worried about something that's being killed when it cannot even feel it? Do YOU remember how you felt when you were a fetus? I don't think so. So how do you know they can actually feel the pain? I don't see you guys arguing about killing other animals so why are you worried about killing a human baby thats not even fully developed yet and probably cannot feel what is happening yet.[/quote]
Mmm you're comparing flies to human beings? Furthermore, it's not the fact that they can't feel it, think about it not being able to fulfill it's life. Who knows. What would happen if our most famous presidents' mothers had an abortion? What if the next doctor to find a cure to AIDS is aborted? Hmm?
[quote]And yes, women don't have to do abortion. They can put the baby into adoption but imagine if everyone who had a baby did that. Not all of those kiddys are going to be adopted. SOme of them are going to be orphaned. And not all those kiddys are going to go into a great family and forever wonder who their real parents are and why they didn't want them. Those of you who are adopted into a good family, good for you. But that is not the case for everyone. Some can lead a miserable life instead and you can't promise that won't happen. It could've been better off without them spending their whole life wondering about what could've once been.[/quote]
Meh I've said this so many times before, but I'll say it again. Okay, so do you remember what happens when we people in the United States turn eighteen? That's right. We get to live our own lives. We're free. We can go out into the world and make something of ourselves. We can live better lives if we work hard enough. Those kids that stay in orphanages probably have even more of a drive to make something of themselves and be happy one day. They have their whole lives ahead of them.
[quote]And it IS the woman's decision whether or not to have sex. If she did it for the pleasure for it with a guy she trusted, then yes. SHe does deserve to have that baby and should not be allowed the privilage of abortion. However, like you all said, everyone deserves second chances. SO why not the mother too? If she did it over and over then she deserves it. If it was her first time, then shouldnt she deserve a second chance too?[/quote]
So because you were happy for that period of time, it gives you the right to kill a human fetus?
[quote]But sometimes even if it IS the girl's choice, she should be allowed it. Because look at the world today. Theres peer pressure, rape, television, etc. Don't tell me none of you guys gave in to peer pressure ever before because Im sure as a teen, it's hard not to. Just because that one girl's decision to give in to those things or have rape happen to them is worse than yours, doesn't mean they DESERVE it. THey too can regret it[/quote]
How many health classes are there in schools today that tell you how to have protected sex? They can still have "fun" if they wear a condom. That is their fault for not wearing one.

[sporadic]

I get what you're saying. I think abortion should be legal, but there should be a point in the development of the child where it's not allowed. I'd say as soon as the baby develops even partial consciousness.

I mean, if you're simply getting rid of an egg with a sperm in it, that's like stepping on an ant. The baby won't be able to feel pain, anyway.

Being pregnant as a teen is also just a natural punishment for naughty teens. But only the girl absolutely has to live with the "burden" (sorry if that sounds cold)

But the punishment is up to the parents.

I, personally would prefer adoption over abortion, because there are a lot of good families out there that want to adopt babies, and instead of throwing away a happy family, it'd be better to give the babe a chance.

Sometimes, though, the girl might not even have a say in the matter. It might just be better for the child, in the end...

[Spirited Away]

Yes, but everyone's saying this. You can either have or not have abortion. I mean, just because the father was a criminal doesn't mean the child has to pay. I know that the mother would have to go through it, but it's her child as well.

I've recently read about different "day-after" pills and that seems like a good alternative, but I wonder if that's not or is the same as abortion?

As for the child paying for the father's crimes, many people do not consider a fetus a child. There's always the controversy about when the prospective child is actually living being...

I totally understand where you're coming from. The situation with sex addicts who choose abortion is almost... shameful to me. It's horrible when people think that it's okay to get rid of prospective life whenever they see fit. But I also consider that there are women, though few in numbers, who would only consider abortion in life and death situations. Therefore, I do not concur to making abortion illegal to those who desperately need it.

What would happen if our most famous presidents' mothers had an abortion? What if the next doctor to find a cure to AIDS is aborted? Hmm?

This is a problematic point.... because of the fact that contraceptions can prevent pregnancy would mean that contraceptions also prevent the next doctor or find the cure for AIDS to ever exist as well. If you mean it like that, then contraceptions would be as bad as abortions.

[inthemudhole]

Hm.
I'm kind of iffy on abortion.

I think the decision should be up to the woman.
She should decide instead of it being illegal/legal and such.

If I was in the situation, I personally would have the child, and put it up for adoption. I'm sure there would be a loving family ready to have it.

I think it changes if the person was raped, though..

[s0emotionalx3]

Mmm you're comparing flies to human beings? Furthermore, it's not the fact that they can't feel it, think about it not being able to fulfill it's life. Who knows. What would happen if our most famous presidents' mothers had an abortion? What if the next doctor to find a cure to AIDS is aborted? Hmm

You can't say what would happen if the most famous presidents' mothers or next doctor to find a cure was aborted because nothing would happen, therefore something else CAN happen. Say if a famous president right now was never here because he was aborted as a fetus. We cant compare it to what CAN happen because that person would've never been here in the first place. We can't just say "Oh that cure wasn't here because the person who was suppose to invent it was aborted". Someone else can who IS born may do it too. Ok idk if I just made sense or not

Meh I've said this so many times before, but I'll say it again. Okay, so do you remember what happens when we people in the United States turn eighteen? That's right. We get to live our own lives. We're free. We can go out into the world and make something of ourselves. We can live better lives if we work hard enough. Those kids that stay in orphanages probably have even more of a drive to make something of themselves and be happy one day. They have their whole lives ahead of them.

I agree that those kids may have thier whole lives ahead of them and the thought of having no parents could drive them. However, not everyone who was put up into adoption can do that. It jus matters how you look at it. And what about those who aren't adopted and stays in the orphange all their lives? Do you really think all of them will suceed just because the thought of never having someone there for them will drive all of them to make something of themselves?

So because you were happy for that period of time, it gives you the right to kill a human fetus?

No. I said that she deserves to have the baby. However, everyone makes mistakes in life and as you all said, everything deserves a second chance. So I dont see why a woman who REGRETS getting pregnant can't have a second chance and realize her mistakes and NOT have people pointing at her calling her names.

How many health classes are there in schools today that tell you how to have protected sex? They can still have "fun" if they wear a condom. That is their fault for not wearing one.

Condoms don't prevent pregnancy 100%. You can't say it is their fault for not wearing one because no one really knows if the condom really does protect you or not in the beginning. If they did, so many teenage pregnancies probably wouldn't have happened except for those who did NOT use protection or was raped

[sporadic]

What would happen if our most famous presidents' mothers had an abortion? What if the next doctor to find a cure to AIDS is aborted? Hmm

What happens if the terrorist that is going to destroy the US and every one of us is aborted?

[Spirited Away]

What happens if the terrorist that is going to destroy the US and every one of us is aborted?

I don't understand your question, or else I would try to answer it.

[sporadic]

What if some future terrorist was supposed to be born, like the second coming of Hitler, except much worse and much more powerful, but the mother decided to have an abortion?

Some one said something about presidents and doctors being aborted, so I'm just saying it could happen the other way around, too.

[sikdragon]

what?? if the second coming of hitler comes? what if there is no people who are waiting for his kind of change? that would have to be a lot of abortions to make sure he doesnt come to power. ur reasoning does not justify abortion.

[*Kathleen*]

And what about those who aren't adopted and stays in the orphange all their lives? Do you really think all of them will suceed just because the thought of never having someone there for them will drive all of them to make something of themselves?

You're allowed to leave an orphanage when you're an adult, or eighteen years of age.

Condoms don't prevent pregnancy 100%. You can't say it is their fault for not wearing one because no one really knows if the condom really does protect you or not in the beginning. If they did, so many teenage pregnancies probably wouldn't have happened except for those who did NOT use protection or was raped

Well yeah, but I'm saying that it could certainly save a few abortions with using condoms. Or what happened to abstinence?

What if some future terrorist was supposed to be born, like the second coming of Hitler, except much worse and much more powerful, but the mother decided to have an abortion?

Some one said something about presidents and doctors being aborted, so I'm just saying it could happen the other way around, too.

But that only happens when they're brought up with that. You're born with leadership skills and whatnot.