Abortion Options

[*disco infiltrator*]

I don't think some of you people realize something..

There ARE limits set RIGHT NOW. There was a point in a fetus's development deemed as the "life point" and women cannot by law get abortions after that point in the pregnancy pending extentuating circumstances. It's not like every single abortion is open to everyone, no matter what the length of time the fetus has been developing and whatnot. And not everyone can just go to the doctor and get an abortion. Cases are reviewed and if it's near the "life point" and the person doesn't really have a good reason to get an abortion besides their own stupidity, they can be turned down for the operation.

Abortions are expensive, painful, and traumatizing. People don't just get abortions as an easy way out. It's the only other way besides going through your entire life feeling guilty for putting your child through a life it didn't deserve when it could have had a much better one. It is a last resort, more or less always. People don't go through operations and pay thousands of dollars and make it seem easy. It's not.

[agirlnamed_aly]

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[Spirited Away]

Abortions can generally cost low as $400 and as high as $6000, depending on the trimester. The latter may be expensive to quite a few, but to those who have the intent and funds are readily available, it's not a hard feat. And while 32 states restrict public fundings for abortions, 17 states subsidize abortions for poor women—usually for cases of rape and incest, but for all we know there are always exceptions. Insurance does cover abortion costs and those who paid the an abortion on their own can get reimbursed. Private fundings are also available.

According to the CDC stats results the highest percentages of reported abortions were women aged <25 years (52%). Okay, that's bearable and explainable. However, can someone detail me what possible reasons would induce the other 48%, women, older than 25 years, to have an abortion? Aside from health reasons, I wonder how many of those pregnancies were simply unwanted.

As much as I want to believe abortions for last resorts, Sammi, I think only about half actually cared to view or even try other options available. I cannot believe that all 52% of that population, for whatever reason, absolutely cannot put up their children up for adoption or a close relative to help rear their kids.

[*disco infiltrator*]

Not all, no, but for most, it is a last resort. I know there are the slutty people like on Desperate Housewives or something that have a bunch of sex and do it all the time, but most of the time, it's a last resort. Abortions aren't casual. It's not something just thrown away like it's nothing.

I mean, why else would we have so many teenage mothers nowadays?
Because they don't want to go through an abortion.

[xsign_my_heartx]

I'm completely against abortion. I think if you have sex, then it's your responsibility to take care of your child.

Rape is a different story though. If you were raped, and were really young, not old enough to support a baby, you should do abortion.

If you were raped and was a suitable age for giving birth to a baby, then why not?

Yes, it would have to find out about it's mom being raped and thats how they were born, but i'm sure they will thank you for having it and giving it life.

Abortion is on choice.

[malimars]

Im against it but not really for the fact Yeah it obviously is your own fault if your willing to do things without a condom but if u get raped of sumthin its totally different why wuld u wanna carry a peice of the person that raped around..knowing this baby wasnt ment to be and every time u see the child u see the person which causes anger....Or even if ur like 13-14 etc not ready to have a kid no job no money schooling is not complete Then ya go for an abortion But if ur well off old enuf and have no reason to get rid of a child well then ur just a f**k head

[sadolakced acid]

^ nice opinion. but at the end of the day, that's all it is. an opinion.

[toria66622]

I think It should be allowed b/c there iz no use of having a child if u CANT or wont take care of it..alot of kids end up hating being in an orphanage anyway so whats the point in having one if you dont want it?

If everyone kept their babys and never took care of them and just gave them away or couldnt deal with them ..that would be considered..OVERPOPULATION

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This post has been edited by kryogenix: Nov 15 2005, 10:02 PM

[*disco infiltrator*]

1) Don't double post.
2) Stop bringing back a bazillion really old topics.

[Rachel]

I'm completely against abortion. I think if you have sex, then it's your responsibility to take care of your child.

Rape is a different story though. If you were raped, and were really young, not old enough to support a baby, you should do abortion.

If you were raped and was a suitable age for giving birth to a baby, then why not?

Yes, it would have to find out about it's mom being raped and thats how they were born, but i'm sure they will thank you for having it and giving it life.

Abortion is on choice.

Why you want to have the child of a man who raped you?

[ParanoidAndroid]

Abortion is better than actually eating the fetus.

In Japan (I heard from an online article) that a restaurant sells dead fetus for food.

[*kryogenix*]

Abortion is better than actually eating the fetus.

In Japan (I heard from an online article) that a restaurant sells dead fetus for food.

Your point?

[Heewee]

For all those that are saying that abortion is justifiable if a woman was raped....ever heard of adoption? Yes, the woman will have to go through nine months carrying a child and then go through labor but sometimes life throws us curveballs. Not everything in life is going to be "fair" and if you think that just because you were raped, you should have the choice to kill an innocent baby, there's something wrong. There are plenty of couples out there that can't have babies and would love to adopt one. When you abort a baby, not only do you take away its life, but you also take away the dreams of a couple that would love to become parents.

[Mulder]

i just had a hebrew school class just on this.
i agree with the jewish view (even though im agnostic) that fetuses are "mere fluid." not life.

and about rape. i personally could never carry a rapist's child. i just..would feel dirty. wrong. its wrong to have to carry a rapist's child. victims should at least be given a choice.

[ParanoidAndroid]

Your point?

that people should appreciate what we have now. Abortion isn't made for the pleasure of killing babies. When anti-abortion people say how it's like killing human beings, they sound like they kill them out for pleasure. but no, abortion is to help women who cannot support themselves and the baby. And women who can't support their pregnancy. I mean, if it was a religios girl still living under her strict religious, I would let it pass for her to get an abortion

[Heewee]

and about rape. i personally could never carry a rapist's child. i just..would feel dirty. wrong. its wrong to have to carry a rapist's child.

That's true. But then again, it's your child too. Just because its father is a rapist doesn't mean that they will turn out that way. Shouldn't they at least be given chance at life?

[Mulder]

i feel awful saying this..but i could never love a child that i didn't want to have.

if i was raped, and carried the child, i could never love it.

[*mipadi*]

That's true. But then again, it's your child too. Just because its father is a rapist doesn't mean that they will turn out that way. Shouldn't they at least be given chance at life?

Ah, does merely carrying a child make it yours, even if you had no input on the making of it, or even the action that led to the making of it?

[*disco infiltrator*]

I still have not been given a reason as to why someone should have to have a child when they don't want to, especially since the current laws even right now prevent it from happening when the fetus is actually living...

[Heewee]

Ah, does merely carrying a child make it yours, even if you had no input on the making of it, or even the action that led to the making of it?

A woman that gets pregnant resulting from rape doesn't have the input of making a child but that doesn't mean that it's NOT hers. Why wouldn't it be? Life is not always going to be perfect. Yes, rape is a very unfortunate thing but having a baby doesn't mean that you're saying it's okay. When life gets tough people often think of how to get themselves out of the hole but is killing another person.....especially YOUR child.......to get out of that hole really the right thing to do?

I still have not been given a reason as to why someone should have to have a child when they don't want to

Because it's murder? Because you're killing your own child? Because it's a selfish act? Because there are other options? It takes TWO people to make a baby and if you're not ready to suffer the consequences, you shouldn't be having sex in the first place. Yes, rape is another story but I think I stated how I feel about that above.

[*mipadi*]

A woman that gets pregnant resulting from rape doesn't have the input of making a child but that doesn't mean that it's NOT hers. Why wouldn't it be? Life is not always going to be perfect. Yes, rape is a very unfortunate thing but having a baby doesn't mean that you're saying it's okay. When life gets tough people often think of how to get themselves out of the hole but is killing another person.....especially YOUR child.......to get out of that hole really the right thing to do?

So, by that logic, if we're at school, and I place a baggie of cocaine in your locker, and you get caught with it--that cocaine is yours, and you should be punished for possessing it, yes?

[Heewee]

So, by that logic, if we're at school, and I place a baggie of cocaine in your locker, and you get caught with it--that cocaine is yours, and you should be punished for possessing it, yes?

No. That cocaine is yours and you framed me to get caught with it. A baby gets its genes from both the mother and the father. The child is literally part yours. I get really aggrivated when I see a father neglect his child but in the same sense, I get mad if the mother does this too. And when the mother neglects her child or doesn't want to take responsibility, what does she do? Abort it. Cocaine is a substance that could potentially kill you. A child is a human being and its life is not something that its mother should be able to take.

[ParanoidAndroid]

i feel awful saying this..but i could never love a child that i didn't want to have.

if i was raped, and carried the child, i could never love it.

I strongly agree. But my aunt did tell me that my cousin was a mistake (almost sued the condom company) and yet she ended up loving her...

but if the baby came from an unwanted force...then hell no

[*mipadi*]

No. That cocaine is yours and you framed me to get caught with it. A baby gets its genes from both the mother and the father. The child is literally part yours. I get really aggrivated when I see a father neglect his child but in the same sense, I get mad if the mother does this too. And when the mother neglects her child or doesn't want to take responsibility, what does she do? Abort it. Cocaine is a substance that could potentially kill you. A child is a human being and its life is not something that its mother should be able to take.

But the question still remains: if one forces another to possess something against her will, does it belong to her if she does not willingly accept it?

[Heewee]

But the question still remains: if one forces another to possess something against her will, does it belong to her if she does not willingly accept it?

YES it belongs to them. YES they helped make it...even if they didn't want to. It's not an easy fact to accept but that child is theirs, whether they like it or not. My question to you is, if you think that a women should be able to deny her child on the basis that she she doesn't want to accept it, should guys be allowed to do this too? If a man doesn't want to take responsiblity and be a parent to his child, she he be allowed to neglect it?