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post Jul 22 2005, 03:31 PM
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QUOTE(sprinkle-the-stars @ Jul 22 2005, 1:14 PM)
How would it suffer by keeping it alive? It will have a life wont it? Depends on what type of life the idiotic parents want to give it
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Say a few teenagers choose to have sex. They are in college and use a condom, and say it brakes –is it idiotic for them to have protected sex and the protection fail? And well damn, she finds out she is pregnant and it was a accident, there is two things she can do – have the kid, which would be hard for a kid going through school that can barley afford to live and pay for school as it is. Or have an abortion and not have to worry about missing school and maybe failing a class. If I was in that predicament, I would have to say take’m out.

Now lets look at poverty in the US, wow – those parents who could have had that abortion instead of the kid. Women can get government help if they are in that kind of situation to have an abortion. Instead they had the kid, and it suffers day and night because his parents don’t have jobs and can not afford to buy them food. Now they could have lost there job, or they could be just too lazy and to much of a drunk to go out and find a job.
 
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post Jul 22 2005, 11:00 PM
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shouldnt this topic be closeD? its way over 20 pages
 
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post Jul 22 2005, 11:33 PM
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we can go up to 50 and more, if needed.

we'd need to end the current debate to start a new thread anyways.
 
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post Jul 23 2005, 01:33 AM
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^ Yeah, some people need to quote others to respond and it's harder if there are two different topics. It's not really necessary to make another thread.
 
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post Jul 23 2005, 02:58 AM
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well a baby not surviving after brith isnt the same as abortion. i just dont believe in it. _dry.gif 
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You totally missed the point. sadolakced acid said unless the baby can survive outside the mother; this has nothing to do with surviving after birth. Killing what is basically, at this point, a parasite (despite what it eventually becomes) that can't function on its own is hardly what I would call murder..

.:edit:. No, I'm not changing my points, I still believe that government-funded abortions should be legal only for special cases and all others can only be allowed if the mother pays out of her own pocket. I'm simply supporting the statement that abortion is NOT murder.
 
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post Jul 23 2005, 10:21 AM
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QUOTE(Aestuarium @ Jul 22 2005, 1:08 AM)
Just fricken wear a condom or use pills or something, if you get pregnant, you need to be responsible for the baby.
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...stubborn.gif...like we don't know that
 
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post Aug 24 2005, 07:53 PM
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abortion is bad...i am against it

baby has his or her heart in about the first 12 days which makes it a human. it is very rare to get a baby from getting raped. so...yea it shouldnt be rite to kill a unborn baby
 
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post Aug 24 2005, 08:01 PM
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i think i'll let fae handle this for fear that i may scar someone for life.
 
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post Aug 25 2005, 11:13 AM
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QUOTE(believe_t @ Aug 24 2005, 7:53 PM)
abortion is bad...i am against it

baby has his or her heart in about the first 12 days which makes it a human. it is very rare to get a baby from getting raped. so...yea it shouldnt be rite to kill a unborn baby
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*frown*. please read the rules to the debate forum, which includes: "read the topic carefully. Understand what is being argued before going off on a rant."

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post Aug 25 2005, 03:24 PM
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How is it any more rare to get pregnant from getting raped than to get pregnant simply by having consentual unprotected sex? huh.gif
 
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post Aug 30 2005, 03:27 PM
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The chance that you will get pregnant from being raped or a one-night stand is minimal because a mother's immune system will attack the fetus since it doesn't recognize its DNA, thinking it is cancer.

Most fetuses are thus naturally miscarried in the first few days. The ones that survive to be born are usually the result of repeat sex with the same partners, after which the mother's immune system recognizes the DNA as friendly. There is ample scientific evidence for this.
 
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post Aug 30 2005, 03:33 PM
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Perhaps you could cite this "ample scientific evidence"? (Not that I am doubting you, but statements like that generally should be cited.)
 
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post Aug 30 2005, 03:47 PM
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Minda, people are accidentally pregnant from having sex one all the time. Sex is like drugs. With one joint of pot, you can get addicted; from one time having unprotected (or malfunctioning protection) sex, you can get pregnant. It doesn't take more than once....it never takes more than once. It's always just chance. If the woman happens to be ovulating and has sex, she can get pregnant.
 
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post Aug 30 2005, 03:48 PM
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With one joint of pot, you can get addicted
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Actually...marijuana isn't physiologically addictive, and in terms of psychological addiction, it's not that powerful. Although, besides that, the rest of your point is still a good one.
 
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post Aug 30 2005, 03:49 PM
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Fine, subsitute "one shot of heroin" for that.

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post Aug 30 2005, 11:47 PM
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QUOTE(mipadi @ Aug 30 2005, 3:33 PM)
Perhaps you could cite this "ample scientific evidence"? (Not that I am doubting you, but statements like that generally should be cited.)
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Scientific American magazine quotes a lot of the references; you could probably find it online but I had the print copy.

The reasoning behind it is biologically solid though, an immune system WILL attack foreign DNA.

You CAN get pregnant from a one-night stand, but the chance is very tiny. The chance of getting pregnant increases each time you have sex with the same partner; so while it's certainly possible to concieve a rape baby, the chances that you would get pregnant from that are a lot smaller than the chances that you would get pregnant from having sex with someone that you have had sex with for several weeks or months.
 
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post Aug 31 2005, 12:57 AM
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QUOTE(x_angawhomps @ May 12 2004, 12:42 AM)
I'm trying to remember what my history teacher said about abortion.. He had a pretty good argument against it.. *ahh brain cramp*

Well  I'm mostly against abortion.. not complete though.

I would think it's the girl's fault for choosing to have sex in the first place.
But if she was raped, that's another story.
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ya but if she had sex in the first place then its terrible to kill a life because of an accident, the responsibility is hers and she can't just end the responsibility by abortion. i guess im not completely against it too.
 
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post Aug 31 2005, 02:38 AM
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uhm "abortion" is the 1st thingy i h8,and yeah it happens for some to get "raped" so if she is too young,to keep the baby or she doesnt have "the things" that the baby will need to have a nice life,in this kind of situations,i accept`it,but in rest,!DONT BLAME THE KID,YOU MADE`IT! (i really h8-ted the story with the "Bird" who come's with the little brother/sister,what some parents tells to they're childrens,when they dont know how to explain to a little child how his/she's sister/brother came to life.)

"People these days don't take responsibility for anything...but don't quote me on that."

IMO.

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post Aug 31 2005, 11:12 AM
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well i am against it. bcuz in doin so u r killing a life but it is entirely up to thee person if they want to abort their child but we all have different view on this so no matter where we are in the world there wil be two sides to this pro and anti abortion.
 
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post Aug 31 2005, 11:24 AM
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I am staying with abortion. Not because a raped girl can get rid of it (she can just leave it in the adoption center) but because it can help prevent overpopulation. If overpopulation continues to increase God knows what can happen. I mean sure there are other ways to prevent over population but adding Abortion in helps. I know I sound very cruel but this is how I think. I might change for some reason, but for now, Abortion should be allowed. Abortion is a woman's decision, not ours. It's HER sin to commit so it's HER responsibility.
 
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post Aug 31 2005, 02:37 PM
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i agree that people need to take responsibility for what they done and the fetus is an innocent victim. but if you ban abortion, you take away the mothers' rights. all of you are saying it's morally wrong and irresponsible but think, you aren't the ones who has to carry the baby for nine months. if you force a woman to be a mother when she doesn't want to, it's the baby that suffers. and if all those people who had abortions were force to carry out the baby, think about the foster and adoption services. they would be over capacity and those children will probably either be packed into overcrowded houses or kept in an orphanage until they're 18.

i agree that if you have careless sex and get pregnant all the time, you shouldn't be having sex in the beginning. but if you ban abortion, you basically give rights to the fetus no matter how developed it is and you take away the mother's rights. if you do that, then that could open a whole flood of new legal matters.

if abortion is murder, is a miscarriage neglect?
 
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post Aug 31 2005, 04:47 PM
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Peggy Sue got pregnant,
And was addicted to fifteen drugs,
She went down to the abortion clinic,
And was accosted by right-wing thugs.

Oh will the fetus be aborted?
By and by, Lord, by and by.
There's a better home awaitin',
In the sky, Lord, in the sky...
 
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post Aug 31 2005, 06:50 PM
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QUOTE(Claudel @ Aug 31 2005, 2:38 AM)
uhm "abortion" is the 1st thingy i h8,and yeah it happens for some to get "raped" so if she is too young,to keep the baby or she doesnt have "the things" that the baby will need to have a nice life,in this kind of situations,i accept`it,but in rest,!DONT BLAME THE KID,YOU MADE`IT! (i really h8-ted the story with the "Bird" who come's with the little brother/sister,what some parents tells to they're childrens,when they dont know how to explain to a little child how his/she's sister/brother came to life.)

"People these days don't take responsibility for anything...but don't quote me on that."

IMO.

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please type with real words. i can't really understand what you're trying to say there.



QUOTE(pSyCHoBanana @ Aug 31 2005, 11:12 AM)
well i am against it. bcuz in doin so u r killing a life but it is entirely up to thee person if they want to abort their child but we all have different view on this so no matter where we are in the world there wil be two sides to this pro and anti  abortion.
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yet again, real words please.

anyways:

1. abortion is not murder, it is not killing a life.
2. abortion is up to one person: the mother
 
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post Aug 31 2005, 08:34 PM
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QUOTE(sadolakced acid @ Sep 1 2005, 1:50 AM)
please type with real words.  i can't really understand what you're trying to say there.
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yet again, real words please. 

anyways:

1.  abortion is not murder, it is not killing a life. 
2.  abortion is up to one person: the mother
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`ello2ya2 , if ya dunt understand meh,get a pair of glasses.doh!
d0 i seem like i care,if you understand or not? read my upper doubled LIPS! NO!

1. abortion is not murder, <- IT IS! (BLAME THE PARENTS)
2. abortion is up to one person:<- BOTH! (she didnt made that baby alone,i guess NO?)


"People these days don't take responsibility for anything...but don't quote me on that."
 
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post Aug 31 2005, 09:08 PM
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type like that again and you shall be ignored. i'm not going to waste my time deciphering 10 year old txt speak- you have a keyboard, use it.

1. murder is unlawfull killing of a human being. a feotus is not human (it wouldn't be called a feotus if it was), and abortions are currently legal. so no, it's not murder, and it's not killing, which is taking the life of something which has a life. feotuses don't have a life untill they can survive outside the mother's womb- also defined by law.

2. last time i checked you didn't need the father's permission to abort a feotus.
 
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