Abortion Options

[*AngelicEyz00*]

not if you have sex then one will survive. and eggs wouldnt die once a month if you keep pregnant, so the only way to not "kill babies" is if you are a girl have a baby everynine months and if your a guy go to the sperm doner every day. that is the only way to preserve these so called holy lives.

lmao ehm.... yeah

I really don't see such a big deal with aborting... some women abort naturally--miscarriage-- while others seek the abortion. I'm still for it

[onenonly101]

I hope everyone agrees that partial birth abortion is wrong completely

[*AngelicEyz00*]

I hope everyone agrees that partial birth abortion is wrong completely

oh, of course THAT type of abortion is wrong! I mean, that's the one where the doctor delivers the kid legs first, and with the head still in there stabs something to the back of the baby's head and suctions it's brains out right?? I completely am against that one... the type i'm not against is the one where they give you a pill to miscarriage

[onenonly101]

yeah that is the partial brith one. It is just immorally wrong and heartless. Abortion is a difficult issue because people believe in the freedom to chose, but who is to say what we can say is our choice and not someone elses. Like i believe that they should make it a law that you have to inform the father, because what if he wants a child

[*Kathleen*]

Ack I meant to say "abortions" instead of "adoptions," besides, you should've seen my point.

Furthermore when the sperm fertilizes the egg, then, yes, it is still life...ack! This is potential for human life...why kill it?!

Also, machinoman, you didn't look at the big picture at the point I was trying to make. I was saying that far more people die from abortions because 99% of them are not rape-related cases. If you're going to reply to something, read it first.

[machinoman]

all im saying is life starts before sex even occurs so its ridiculous to say abortion is wrong but not having sex is holy. they are the same thing; you kill lives either way.

[*Kathleen*]

What? How does life start before sex? You can't get pregnant everytime, but there's a high risk.

[onenonly101]

whoa you lost me there. You kill lives by having sex?? Not having sex before marriage is holy.

[iheartsimba]

I wouldnever do abortion, even if I got pregnant right now.
I would have the baby, and think about adoption, but abortion just seems kind of harsh for me.

But it does depend on the circumstances.

[machinoman]

What? How does life start before sex? You can't get pregnant everytime, but there's a high risk.

the problem is that you say life starts when the sperm enters the egg, but the sperm was already moving before that, you cant just draw a line at some random point and claim that is where life starts. life isnt black and white like that, it isnt that simple.

[*Kathleen*]

Well yeah the sperm is moving before that; doesn't mean that it has fertilized an egg already...ever have a health class lately, buddy?

[machinoman]

youre saying fertilization of the egg constitues life. im saying you cant just draw a line at some point in the process of birth and say "after this is life, before this there is no life" especially when the sperm was alive before the fertilization as it was smart enough to travel to the egg. and i never said the sperm had fertilized an egg before it got to the egg. it blows my mind that you think i said that. no really, it blows my mind.

[*Kathleen*]

Um...yeah the sperm is alive, but what I'm saying is this: There is human life when the sperm fertilizes the egg.

[machinoman]

all im saying is the death of an egg with a sperm is no more significant than the death of a lone sperm or egg and that is where we agree to disagree.

[*AngelicEyz00*]

lol... yeah... well for me, I just Think that a new born baby has more significance than a fertilized egg... So I would have to say that the farther along the pregnancy is, the more significant the fetus is... Also, the fertilized egg isn't even considered to be a fetus, and I still find it equivalent to a lone sperm and egg

[*Kathleen*]

all im saying is the death of an egg with a sperm is no more significant than the death of a lone sperm or egg and that is where we agree to disagree.

Yeah, but sperm and eggs alone don't create life...AHH! Wow. I think I should seriously stop posting in here.

It doesn't matter if it's considered a fetus or not, though - it's going to be in a matter of time; therefore, it's still human life.

[T00000]

Welllll see, this is an impossible thing to debate on, because there is no way to tell when the actual "life" begins. All of us agree that it's wrong to end the life when it begins, but when the life begins is the question. Personally, i think the mind develops as the baby does.

lol... yeah... well for me, I just Think that a new born baby has more significance than a fertilized egg... So I would have to say that the farther along the pregnancy is, the more significant the fetus is...

I totally agree with you.

Also, I am totally against people who burn down abortion clinics, and picket against it, because i believe that abortion is a really personal decision. it's fine it you don't agree with it, but let it be people's business whether or not they do it themselves.

I know people struggle with this decision, so i think those who are opposed shouldn't make it any harder on them. like i said... it's a personal decision.

[*Kathleen*]

Also, I am totally against people who burn down abortion clinics, and picket against it, because i believe that abortion is a really personal decision. it's fine it you don't agree with it, but let it be people's business whether or not they do it themselves.

Eh...that happens with any major issue in this country. Still, they're not the decisionmakers...they shouldn't be doing that.

Still...only in a matter of days will the fertilized egg have a mind or whatnot. That's kind of like saying, "Well, I'm going to decide to kill you before you're allowed to drink," or something.

[ComradeRed]

Pro-life all da way. Life's life. You can't just take it away no matter what the circumstances. I can see how it's tough for rape victims, but they shouldn't take it out on the unborn child. The rape victim has already become a victim. Don't let the unborn child become a victim as well.

Heheh. This is cool. A debate section of cb. Maybe I'll become a MASTER DEBATOR. LoL.

Life's life. Exactly.

www.abortionisprolife.com

A person's life is his (or hers) and his alone. At no point in my life do I have an obligation to give up my life (or my body, the means of sustaining life) for another human being.

A fetus is only in a woman's body by her permission. It does not have an inalienable right to be in there.

Being "pro-life" is claiming that women (and in this age of gender equaolity, this slippery slope quickly applies to ALL people) do not own their bodies--that they are in fact breeding pigs of the State. Explain how this is pro-life again?

[princess2113]

lmao ehm.... yeah

I really don't see such a big deal with aborting... some women abort naturally--miscarriage-- while others seek the abortion. I'm still for it

In a miscarriage the baby dies, in abortion you kill the baby. Everyone dies eventually right...so thats like the miscarriage..so if its ok for the baby to die by abortion is it ok for the rest of the world to die by us killing them? i think NO....the baby didnt do nething wrong..n God has a plan for that child...if u dunt let it live...u never know what they baby may have become....

[princess2113]

Welllll see, this is an impossible thing to debate on, because there is no way to tell when the actual "life" begins. All of us agree that it's wrong to end the life when it begins, but when the life begins is the question. Personally, i think the mind develops as the baby does.



I totally agree with you.

Also, I am totally against people who burn down abortion clinics, and picket against it, because i believe that abortion is a really personal decision. it's fine it you don't agree with it, but let it be people's business whether or not they do it themselves.

I know people struggle with this decision, so i think those who are opposed shouldn't make it any harder on them. like i said... it's a personal decision.

the second the egg is fertalized...that is a living child!

[silver-rain]

Hmm, well I guess I believe abortion is right- because I think that it's really up to the "mother" to decide whether or not she wants to keep the baby. I mean, if she was raped and got pregnant, she may not want the baby. But I don't think abortion should be an excuse for couples to have unprotected sex so that whenever the female gets pregnant, she could just have an abortion and continue having sex.

[ComradeRed]

What? How does life start before sex? You can't get pregnant everytime, but there's a high risk.

No there's not actually.

The mother's immune system usually recognizes (or fails to) the father's DNA as invader DNA (virus if you will) and will attack the placenta/embryo. The vast majority (90+%) of fetuses (feti??) are naturally miscarried within the first week or two of pregnancy in this way.

[T00000]

A fetus is only in a woman's body by her permission. It does not have an inalienable right to be in there.

Exactly. haha that's so true



Oh and princess, please don't double post.

the second the egg is fertalized...that is a living child!

There is no way you can know for sure if it's "living." Everyone's opinion on what's living is different.

[ComradeRed]

Yeah, but sperm and eggs alone don't create life...AHH! Wow. I think I should seriously stop posting in here.

It doesn't matter if it's considered a fetus or not, though - it's going to be in a matter of time; therefore, it's still human life.

Actually, plants and primitive animals demonstrate the alternation of generations (sporophyte and gametophyte stages). Both are considered alive. In more advanced species, the sporophyte stage is dominant, while the gametophyte stage is usually transient and dependent on the sporophyte (like the cone of a pine).

In humans, sex cells like sperm or eggs can actually be thought of as the gametophyte stage, so in a way, they are alive.