my english teacher graduated from Michigan and acknowleges that Michigan has one of the most controversial affirmative action policies.

Still sounds like an opinion... Find me facts!

try google.

http://www.lib.umich.edu/govdocs/affirm.html <--- some lawsuits filed against michigan for affirmative action.

Slightly off topic but just out of curiousity - why does Black History Month only focus on people involved in the Civil Rights Movement? Maybe its a local thing or maybe Black History only means Black American History...but isn't there more to the race than overcoming discrimination?

i agree with you. but more importantly there should be a native american month cause they were the first here and the settelers kind of killed them all(yeah im part native american) so there should be a native american month.

^^ very true, i think that native americans faired just as badly as Africans, why aren't they specially recognized?

^ There is one. It's just not as widely celebrated as BHM. Not sure why.

And Michigan is just one example. Find me at least three more.

um, ok there's been several people who have said white people don't know what it's like to be discriminated against, and i'm not going to quote it all.

yea, what would happen to me if i just happened to walk into harlem and be like "hi, what's your name?" do you think most of the people there would just open up and be perfectly friendly to me? no. because i'm white, and the majority there is black. it's a black community. now, if i was black and went there, i would be more accepted.

now, i'm white. a lot of jewish people in the united states are white. my mom's side of the family is jewish. now, in new york, there's a large jewish population. being jewish is more widely accepted. however, i do not live there. i live in indiana, where 96% of the population is christian. jewish people are discriminated against here, and don't get even a quarter of the recognition that christians get here. there is one eensy little temple 40 minutes away from my house. next door to it there's an extremely large church that takes up the length of the entire street in front of it. (the temple is up right next to the street and the church is deeper into that block of land) the few jewish people here have complained to our mayor to support our cause and make a bigger temple, since we don't have the money. last year he gave $100,000+ to another church to add on, so of course, we figured we'd get money too, since our temple is very cramped especially on rosh hashana and yom kippur (the holidays i usually go on). but no. there's too small of a jewish population.


do not try and tell me that white people aren't discriminated against. don't tell me i don't know what it's like to be a minority. sure, i may not be a minority in race, but i am a minority. people classify me as ignorant because i'm white, but that's not the case. i am just as educated as anyone else, and i am all for equality. i am not racist whatsoever.

and thank you for pointing out important asians in america's history, i wasn't aware. no, we probably don't spend enough time learning about asians in school. we did learn about a lot of things happening in asia in world history though (i took it last trimester). just not so much in earlier years, since we focused on american history. but make sure you do realize - it's not that i don't know about them because i'm white, it's because i wasn't taught. i don't live in a place with a lot of asians so it's not widely recognized. alina goes to my school and she's asian and she said she only knew about the yahoo guy.

long post. oh well.

Ah god thats terrible. I'm Jewish too, but luckily i live in New York. However, i've heard that in areas such as Montana and Oregon, people still believe that Jewish people are satanic creatures with horns and a devil's tail. And I'm serious. They really do believe it.

"Yet even the university acknowledges that the results of the new system, which gives undergraduate minority applicants an automatic 20-point advantage (on a 150-point scale that provides only 12 points for a perfect SAT score) are no different than the old. As the judge himself was forced to concede: "If race were not taken into account, the probability of acceptance would be cut dramatically."

from http://www.adversity.net/education_2_michu_2.htm

as you can see, being black will give you 20 extra points, while getting a perfect SAT score gives you 12 extra points.



so one injustic isn't enough?


what if some KKK went into a school and shot all the black students? would you say "that's just there. find me threee examples where the KKK has killed students in school" ? you wouldn't

if there were a university that had a 20 point bonus for white, would you want three examples? you wouldn't


Justic is not achieved by tipping the scale based on race.

I have to say, I agree with everyone. I agree with ryfitaDF, white people are recognized every single day. When you think about blacks in history, all that comes to mind is Rosa Parks and Martin Luther King. I don't know if that's simply because that was the only time they really stood out in the grand scheme of things (which I highly doubt is true), or if it was because white people control what is taught... although I highly doubt that as well, because in today's histroy books, they also teach you that slavery and discrimination was WRONG, so we can't say that they're biased.

I do agree that "Black History Month" is a little bit... well, it kind of leaves the rest of us out. I think that we shouldn't focus on educating about blacks for one month a year, but instead, we should focus on ALL minorities ALL the time.


-Meg

THANK YOU.

That is such a stretch of the imagination and as such doesn't really make sense with your argument.

^^

makes sense to me... read it again.



thats the point of the debate! why are balck people recognized more than, not only whites, but every other minority, when many have suffered as much as tehy have

to MarchHare2UrAlice....

how the f**k are blacks more recognized than whites? the world u see today is shaped and created by white men...the clothes we wear, the language we're speaking, EVERYTHING.....u are an ignorant bastard....

NO other minority has suffered more than blacks....use ur f**king brain... they were enslaved by the white man for centuries...Africa was robbed and destroyed....the reason they are in poverty today is because whites just came, manipulated them, took all resources, and ENSLAVED THEM...and NOW LOOK AT AFRICA, Whites dont do shit to make up for the crimes they committed against blacks....

sometimes, u REALLY CANNOT blame blacks....all of this is the result of HUNDREDS of years of manipulation, destruction, and enslavement at the hands of white people....and now u are gonna come up in here and say all this shit about how whites should have their holiday, and COMPLAINING that blacks get so much more than whites....

...also whites massecred the native americans...MILLIONS of them WIPED OUT...the land we live on, is actually STOLEN LAND, its not rightfully yours...

and no MarchHare2UrAlice, ur not racist, ur just a f**king idiot....why dont u put urself in the other persons shoes..u should be f**king ashamed of urself....

^

yes, cause jewish white people did not suffer at all, cause they weren't massacred either or anything..

*sigh*

and you just talked about how native americans suffered, yet you said black people have suffered more than anything. righteeo then.

also you do realize all of those people are dead now, and it's not happening so much now.

yea, america doesn't give any money to africa at all..

and you know, in darfur, black people are killing other black people because they're darker so..don't blame all the killings on white people in general. just because we're white doesn't mean we go on a bunch of killing sprees. we're not all racist. you're actually discriminating against us by categorizing us as a general race.


right, cause not one person who isn't black has ever said "yo" or "what's up?" or anything. rap is definitely not the most popular music genre, and baby phat is completely a white person company. mtv makes all of its money off of white people and pays no attention to the black celebrities whatsoever. yes, everything is controlled by white people.

ok dumbass, i said THROUGHOUT HISTORY...blacks suffrered the most, WHICH THEY DID...



yeah....native americans did suffer, did i say they suffered more than blacks? no i didnt...and what point are u trying to make?

...idiot



oh so since their dead, it just erases all the crimes??....whites still owe some responsibility for the things their race have done to blacks, native americans, and others...u cant just drop it so conviently like that....



hey, can u quote me saying that white people are racist? when did i say that? where the f**k did i ever say that?

exactly.....f**king idiot.....im not accusing white people today of being racist at all...THINK...before u make a fool of urself....

please don't insult me, i have not insulted you.



um, black people were enslaved and discriminated against..
jewish people were massacred and discriminated against..
?? i think it's pretty equal.



i didn't say it erases the crimes, but we haven't done anything. are you saying jewish people should still be blamed for killing jesus? i haven't ever done anything against a black person, but i should still be blamed for what people of my race have done? ok then, i apologize for any discomfort i've caused you for being white.



hey look at that, you live on it too!

i didn't say it erases the crimes, but we haven't done anything. are you saying jewish people should still be blamed for killing jesus? i haven't ever done anything against a black person, but i should still be blamed for what people of my race have done?

of course u have a point....but....then what will we do? SOMETHING gotta be done....the crimes and atrocities committed by whites against the blacks, native americans, and others are SO GREAT...

......and then u white kids are gonna come up and complain about how "blacks get more help" and "blacks are given advantages"

.....makes me sick

something is being done, that's what we're debating about. we're not saying get rid of black history month and stuff, we're just wanting to make everything equal, since that's what it was about in the first place.

if i go talk to any black person in here and ask them if they were enslaved, are they gonna say yes?
no they're not.

if i am jewish and i put on my test that i am am i gonna get as much extra points as black people get?
no i am not.

did my great-grandmother die in the holocaust?
yes she did.

do i get any recognition for that?
no i don't.

and i'm not just trying to talk about jewish people, it's all types. black people do get more recognition than others because they're black. sure, white people are the majority and there's a lot of things about white people, but it's not because they're white. black people get more recognition purely because they're black, and that's what's not fair. sure, crimes were committed in the past by white people, but i didn't do anything. why should i be blamed? i'm against racist white people, yet i'm blamed for the crimes they've committed.

people have committed crimes against white people too, ya know.

WTF?!? Ok...I know you're not being racists or anything but....HELLO! Practically every holiday in the US was originated by white's! Almost everything in the US involved whites. Having a Black History month or in my case a Hispanic Heritage month is just a way of recognition to minorities. You guys obviously AREN'T minorities....And Im too am NOT trying to be racist.

read the rest of the thread, then reply.

That's not what was proposed. It was to recognize a white history month. The first post said nothing about honoring other minorities.

And I kind of agree with you, Jewish and Black people did get a copious amount of mistreatment and injustice, Jewish perhaps more than Blacks. But then again, African history isn't well documented, so who knows?

I know that white people nowadays aren't responsible for the horrors of past centuries. But it did happen and we shouldn't just scrap it. Hispanic History Month, Asian History Month, Native American History Month, Jewish History Month, those are all things that need to be widely celebrated. The reason why BHM got so big is because we organized it, we demanded it, we fought for it. Get those groups to do the same.

i never said we should scrap it.

well arent u a conversational delight?

this is a debate,and the pointis to put a viewpoint across, if u dont like it, why are u participating?



i dont particularly want it. i live in england



i really dont think thats entirely true. what about the tower of york incedent? when a whole town of Jews was pushed inside and burnt alive? round about 1000 AD if my memory serves me right, or a bit later.
Anti-Semitism is probably the oldest surviving form of predjudice around, as touch and MissMata pointed out



ture. although i think its moved beyond that now.



fair point.



thats not ecxactly what was said. what people, specifically Sadolek (sp?, sorry) Acid has said, and proven, is that in certain situations, being black can be beneficial, such as on colledge apps. if u have some figures which disproves this. please share and we will duly aknowledge them.

and just out of interest, why does the site auto-censor f**k but not f**king? tis odd to me... but there u go