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White history month?, racism
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post Jan 25 2005, 12:42 PM
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QUOTE(MissMata @ Jan 25 2005, 12:36 PM)
The reason why there's a Black History Month is because we need it.  We're among the poorest in the country, there are still long held biases against us, and so on.  There's so many factors working against us, so it's nice to have a small period in which we're able to be recognized for the good that we've done.
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so then how come asian history month isn't widely celebrated? hispanic history month? so on and so forth... are you saying none of the other minorities have long held biases against them, that they haven't done any good?
 
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post Jan 25 2005, 02:43 PM
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And if we call it "white history" it's because you coined the term with your first post.


i dont recall ever using the term, could you please show me where i did?

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And you pretty much took the words out of my mouth. So yea, same thing she said. ^^


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It's not as prominent as it used to be because of people who think the problem has been solved and we're all equal.


and as long as people claim you aren't, you never truely will be.
 
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post Jan 25 2005, 02:44 PM
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i deffinitly agree.
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post Jan 25 2005, 02:48 PM
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i deffinitly agree.
goood topic.


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post Jan 25 2005, 04:35 PM
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lol am a guy. if it was me u were talking to?

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post Jan 25 2005, 04:45 PM
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QUOTE(touch my monkey @ Jan 23 2005, 2:47 PM)
how is every other month for studying white history? just because there's a lot of white people in our countries' history doesn't mean we're studying white history. i'm studying american history and the only reason it's prominitely white people is because during those years, black people weren't allowed to do anything basically. but that doesn't mean it's studying white history.
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exactly since theres a lot of white people in history of this country whats the point of making a white history month? and it kinda does mean white history cause white people + history = white history
 
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post Jan 25 2005, 06:21 PM
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but i learn about people who aren't white all the time, too. it's only a majority cause..sorry to break it to ya, but white people are the majority in this country and have been in history.

i'm not being racist or anything, i'm just saying, if you want so much equality, then make things equal. white people are discriminated against, too.

and if we're basing it on discrimination, then where's my jewish history month?

it's not 1964 anymore, people.
 
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post Jan 25 2005, 09:24 PM
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QUOTE(kryogenix @ Jan 25 2005, 12:42 PM)
so then how come asian history month isn't widely celebrated? hispanic history month? so on and so forth... are you saying none of the other minorities have long held biases against them, that they haven't done any good?
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I'm not saying that. In fact, I mentioned Hispanic History Month (and I think Asian History Month) in a previous post on this topic. I couldn't tell you why the Asian and Hispanic History months aren't celebrated as widely as Black History month. I know they've been discriminated against in this country and we (all minorities) have to struggle against the same social stigmas. Perhaps it's because race racism, in this country at least, is associated as being Black and white, and therefore other minorities are being overlooked. That and the Hispanic and Asian History Months are relatively new.
 
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QUOTE(touch my monkey @ Jan 25 2005, 6:21 PM)
but i learn about people who aren't white all the time, too. it's only a majority cause..sorry to break it to ya, but white people are the majority in this country and have been in history.

i'm not being racist or anything, i'm just saying, if you want so much equality, then make things equal. white people are discriminated against, too.

and if we're basing it on discrimination, then where's my jewish history month?

it's not 1964 anymore, people.
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post Jan 25 2005, 09:36 PM
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doesn't any black person realize that 'black history month' and 'black appreciation month' and affirmative action are there because whites think you're inferior and need extra help so that you can be 'equal' to them?
 
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post Jan 25 2005, 10:49 PM
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QUOTE(sadolakced acid @ Jan 25 2005, 9:36 PM)
doesn't any black person realize that 'black history month' and 'black appreciation month'  and affirmative action are there because whites think you're inferior and need extra help so that you can be 'equal' to them?
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Black History Month wasn't created by white people. It was started as Negro History Week by Carter G. Woodson, a BLACK man. And affirmative action was set in place to help all underepresented populations in the job market and institutions of higher education. So if you were a man and you applied for a job as a nurse, a traditionally female occupation, affirmative action could help you get the job.
 
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post Jan 25 2005, 11:01 PM
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QUOTE(xquizit @ Jan 23 2005, 2:03 AM)
Exactly what I was going to say.

LMAO @ "white people get no recognition whatsoever". Are you serious?

And the reason there are negro college funds is to help black people into college since the majority of people who live in poverty in this country are black folks and some do need the money.

There is affirmative action because there is an underrepresentation of minorities including women in the workplace.
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I'm sorry that ya'll white people feel that there shouldnt be just a black history month but ALOT of black people do not get ANY recognization. And it's because whites RUN THIS COUNTRY. Being a minority I know that there is soooo much ish I'm going to work 5x harder than a white girl my age. We're not running anything, wo why do you feel so bad? So threatened?
 
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post Jan 26 2005, 11:43 AM
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^^

to be fair, a lot of white people dont get any regocnition either. there's a hella lot of people oin america, and not a lot of limkelight to go around
 
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post Jan 26 2005, 10:20 PM
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QUOTE(MissMata @ Jan 25 2005, 9:49 PM)
Black History Month wasn't created by white people.  It was started as Negro History Week by Carter G. Woodson, a BLACK man.  And affirmative action was set in place to help all underepresented populations in the job market and institutions of higher education.  So if you were a man and you applied for a job as a nurse, a traditionally female occupation, affirmative action could help you get the job.
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the way affirmative action works is, they say "race", you say "black", and you get extra point on your application.

(i never said black history month was created by white people. read it. )
 
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post Jan 27 2005, 10:06 AM
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QUOTE(sadolakced acid @ Jan 25 2005, 9:36 PM)
doesn't any black person realize that 'black history month' and 'black appreciation month'  and affirmative action are there because whites think you're inferior and need extra help so that you can be 'equal' to them?
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i believe that also,
it shouldn't have to matter but just like condelizza rice winning that position i forgot which one but she is now the first "black woman" to reach congress. whites feel they need to have sympathy for the fact that she is black and that blacks werent treated correctly before so they have to specify the race before anything.

personally i dont care about any month being dedicated to any race, i mean we only have 12 months in a year how many more months can we give up, we are gunna have like TV specials every so often we are gunna get sick.
 
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post Jan 27 2005, 01:13 PM
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QUOTE(sadolakced acid @ Jan 26 2005, 10:20 PM)
the way affirmative action works is, they say "race", you say "black", and you get extra point on your application.?

That is not the way affirmative action works. I mean, yes, race is a factor, not just Black, but Asian, Latino, Native American, but you also have to be qualified.

QUOTE(pandamonium @ Jan 27 2005, 10:06 AM)
i believe that also,
it shouldn't have to matter but just like condelizza rice winning that position i forgot which one but she is now the first "black woman" to reach congress. whites feel they need to have sympathy for the fact that she is black and that blacks werent treated correctly before so they have to specify the race before anything.
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Wait a minute, what does Condoleeza Rice have to do with anything? She's not the first Black woman to reach Congress, she's the first woman of color to hold the position of Secretary of State. And why do you have Black woman in quotes? You don't think she's Black? And her getting the position has nothing to do with her being Black. While I don't agree with some of her policies, her being Republican and all, she's proven a grasp of foreign policy and that she can handle the pressures of the job.
 
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post Jan 27 2005, 03:51 PM
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That is not the way affirmative action works. I mean, yes, race is a factor, not just Black, but Asian, Latino, Native American, but you also have to be qualified.


notice the way i said it works. it works like this:


say a black girl takes a math test. that little race bubble and sex bubble on standardized tests reveals that blacks and girls do worse at math.

so, the black girl gets 5 bonus point on her test for being black, and 5 bonus points.

she gets an 85 on her test, plus her 10 points. so it shows up as a 95.

a white male (the demographic with no benifits) also takes the test, and gets a 94.

if hiring were to be done on the test scores (like the way some college apps work, you get points for say, a 1600 on SATs and stuff and if your score passes a certain benchmark you get in) then the black girl would be chosen.

yet: the white male was better at the math test: he got a 94. the black girl got an 85. but because of affirmative action, the black girl's score was increased to 95, and then it looks like the black girl was better.

that is how affirmative action works. They declare that a certain demographic (blacks, hispanics, females, etc.) are inferior and need extra favor in order to be 'equal' to the rest of the people.

and if anyone accepts this affirmative action and takes the favor it gives, then i say:
you are inferior.
 
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post Jan 27 2005, 04:35 PM
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QUOTE(MissMata @ Jan 27 2005, 1:13 PM)
 
Wait a minute, what does Condoleeza Rice have to do with anything?  She's not the first Black woman to reach Congress, she's the first woman of color to hold the position of Secretary of State.  And why do you have Black woman in quotes?  You don't think she's Black?  And her getting the position has nothing to do with her being Black.  While I don't agree with some of her policies, her being Republican and all, she's proven a grasp of foreign policy and that she can handle the pressures of the job.
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lol you didnt get what i said, i said that they had to say "black woman", if it were a white woman it would just be "woman." its a little off balance, what if african americans were the first to dominate this country and then they would call a black woman just a woman and a white , or an asian whatever nationality they are.
 
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Everyone sits there and tells each other that black history is good, black history is bad, why don't we have white history, Affirmitive action this and affirmitive action that. Many of you need to start reading and find out the true meaning of Black History Month, Hispanic History Month, or Asian History Month.

As I quote from many of you "NOT TO SOUND RACIST OR ANYTHING"...

How do you white people know how it is to be a minority? How do you know what we go through everyday? Sure our lives maybe almost the same but its not. Racist people don't bother me, but it still happens everyday. I still can walk into a restaurant these days and get the most evil looks from the workers and the people in the restaurant. Though many of you try to ignore the fact that racism isn't alive it is, just go to your local newspaper and read!!! I bet you will find something in there that has to deal with racism.

If you don't believe in Black History Month and crap then don't Celebrate it, thats why we as Americans have choices. You have the choice to believe in what you want. So you choosing not to believe in Black History Month is your choice.

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2) name an important figure in america's history that was asian. nothing against asians, but maybe if this was asia, there'd be more about asia. of course that's the highlight of our history studies of asia, we didn't do much else with them.


To this person...here are your asian americans that made a difference

Dalip Singh Saund made history in 1956 when he became the first Asian elected to Congress.


Did we forget that over 12,000 Chinese helped built the American railroads helping to connect west coast and east coast.


Steven Chu won Noble Peace Prize in Physics, and also created an instrument to measure gravity.


And what about this man.. Jerry Yang... Also one of the creators of what many of you use everyday.. WWW.YAHOO.COM...

So please if you have something to say in here please don't try to sound ignorant, please research!!!
 
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post Jan 27 2005, 05:09 PM
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there are plenty of ways to be a minority other than race, be it religion, social status, sexuality, and people face discrimination for all these reasons as well.

just because ur white doesn't mean u've never faced discrimination or prejudice.
 
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After furthing discussing it with my nerdy friends, I don't think it is racism. If you have some rich asian guy giving scholarships to only asians thats fine because he would want to give it to his own race. It's the same thing with white people. Except this case it would be a White History month. Hm, what I'm trying to say is that I don't think its racial, but I don't think its needed.
 
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Okay, to sadolakced acid, I'm sure the points aren't as substantial an amount as that. It's probably only a quarter of a point. And if your situation was really like that, the Black girl wouldn't have gotten hired, even with her extra points because of the high difference in overall score. Race and gender are a factor, but it's not everything.



QUOTE(someflipguy @ Jan 27 2005, 4:58 PM)
Everyone sits there and tells each other that black history is good, black history is bad, why don't we have white history, Affirmitive action this and affirmitive action that.  Many of you need to start reading and find out the true meaning of Black History Month, Hispanic History Month, or Asian History Month.

As I quote from many of you "NOT TO SOUND RACIST OR ANYTHING"...

How do you white people know how it is to be a minority?  How do you know what we go through everyday?  Sure our lives maybe almost the same but its not.  Racist people don't bother me, but it still happens everyday.  I still can walk into a restaurant these days and get the most evil looks from the workers and the people in the restaurant.  Though many of you try to ignore the fact that racism isn't alive it is, just go to your local newspaper and read!!!  I bet you will find something in there that has to deal with racism.
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I was just talking about this earlier this week at school. I don't think its fair that if whites take pride in our race then we're racist, yet those who yell out "Black Power!" and "Asian Pride!" are okay.

How do white people know what its like to be a minority? I've been it for years. I come from one of the only white families in a neighborhood dominated by Tejanos and spent my first 6 years of school where the majority of the population was Black and about 33% was Hispanic. I've been accused of being a racist simply because I was the only white child around. I've been teased and looked down on because of my color. Kids can be so cruel... Now I talk in ebonics most of the time and all the white kids think I'm retarded and the black kids think I'm some sort of poser. -.-
 
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QUOTE(MissMata @ Jan 27 2005, 7:48 PM)
Okay, to sadolakced acid, I'm sure the points aren't as substantial an amount as that.  It's probably only a quarter of a point.  And if your situation was really like that, the Black girl wouldn't have gotten hired, even with her extra points because of the high difference in overall score.  Race and gender are a factor, but it's not everything.
I love you for pointing this out.
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you are wrong.

when you apply to the university of michiagan, you get more points for being black than getting a perfect score on your SATs, even if you got a 1000 on your SATs.
 
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post Jan 28 2005, 07:52 AM
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QUOTE(sadolakced acid @ Jan 28 2005, 12:07 AM)
you are wrong. 

when you apply to the university of michiagan, you get more points for being black than getting a perfect score on your SATs, even if you got a 1000 on your SATs.
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