This was an actual letter sent out by the St. Mary's Church:

If Your Child is a Gothic, Reform Through the Lord!

Listed below are some warning signs to indicate if your
child may have gone astray from the Lord.

Gothic (or goth) is a very obscure and often dangerous
culture that young teenagers are prone to participating in. The gothic culture leads young, susceptible minds into an imagined world of evil,darkness, and violence. Please seek immediate attention through counselling, prayer,
and parental guidance to rid your child of Satan's temptations if five or more of the following are applicable to your child:

-Frequently wears black clothing.

-Wears band and/or rock t-shirts.

-Wears excessive black eye makeup, lipstick or nailpolish.

-Wears any odd, silver jewelry or symbols. Some of these include:
reversed crosses, pentagrams, pentacles, ankhs or various
other
Satanic
worshipping symbols.

-Shows an interest in piercings or tattoos.

-Listens to gothic or any other anti-social genres of
music. (Marilyn Manson claims to be the anti-Christ, and publicly speaks
against the Lord. Please discard any such albums IMMEDIATELY.)

-Associates with other people that dress, act or speak
eccentrically.

-Shows a declining interest in wholesome activities, such
as: the Bible, prayer, church or sports.

-Shows an increasing interest in death, vampires, magic,
the occult, witchcraft or anything else that involves Satan.

-Takes drugs.

-Drinks alcohol.

-Is suicidal and/or depressed.

-Cuts, burns or partakes in any other method of self-mutilation. (This is a Satanic ritual that uses pain to detract from the light of God and
His love. Please seek immediate attention for this at your local mental health center.)

-Complains of boredom.

-Sleeps too excessively or too little.

-Is excessively awake during the night.

-Dislikes sunlight or any other form of light. (This pertains to
vampires promoting the idea that His light is of no use.)

-Demands an unusual amount of privacy.

-Spends large amounts of time alone.

-Requests time alone and quietness. (This is so that your chid may speak to evil sprits through meditation.)

-Insists on spending time with friends while unaccompanied by an adult.

-Disregards authority figures; teachers, priests, nuns and
elders are but a few examples of this.

-Misbehaves at school.

-Misbehaves at home.

-Eats excessively or too little.

-Eats goth-related foods. Count Dracula cereal is an example of this.

-Drinks blood or expresses an interest in drinking blood.
(Vampires believe this is how to attain Satan. This act is very dangerous and should be stopped immediately.)

-Watches cable television or any other corrupted media
sources. (Ask your local church for proper programs that your child may watch.)

-Plays videos games that contains violence or role-playing nature.

-Uses the internet excessively and frequently makes time for the computer.

-Makes Satanic symbols and/or violently shakes head to music.

-Dances to music in a provocative or sexual manner.

-Expresses an interest in sex.

-Masturbates

-Is homosexual and/or bisexual.

-Pursues dangerous cult religions. Such include: Satanism, Scientology, Philosophy, Paganism, Wicca, Hinduism and Buddhism.

-Wears pins, stickers or anything else that contains these various phrases: "I'm so gothic, I'm dead", "woe is me", "I'm a goth".

-Claims to be a goth.

If five or more of these apply to your child, please intervene immediately. The gothic culture is dangerous and Satan thrives within it. If any of these problems persist, enlist your child into your local mental health center.

~St. Mary's Catholic Church

OKAY, FIRST OF ALL, I DONT THINK JESUS WOULD WANT PEOPLE TO HATE AGAINST OTHER PEOPLE BECAUSE OF WHAT THEY DO AND APPEARANCES and also jesus was openminded for his day and today, the openmindedness of that time is considered normal.... so i think jesus would be openminded to most of these things on the list eh, and most gothic people think jesus is horrid and evil its just... the people that follow this current religion of christianity make him to look so evil and unopenminded. i seriously would think he would hate what their doing to his religion. he actually FOUGHT for the right to believe whatever you want against the jews, not against it :)

but its not the entire catholic church. it matters very little what one parish thinks, if it isnt from the vatican, or even an archbishop, it doesnt matter a whole lot. there are some very fanatical branches of the catholic church. i think youre taking this out of proportion. he meant catholics, not christians.


will you shut up? every post ive seen you make has been ignorantly opinionated, idiotic and WRONG

I don't need to be lectured on Christianity by you, thank you very much.

You didn't understand what I was saying. The letter came from one little parish. That parish does not represent the entire Catholic Church. The only human being who's word represent the Church is the Pope. If this letter was written by the Pope, you would be right, but it was probably taken from a bulletin from some small parish that we don't even know.

Would the Pope disagree with the letter though? It worries me.

How does one write to the Pope, and would he even take a glimsp at it?

/me shrugs

I saw a video of people breakdancing in front of the pope though.

Unitarian Universalists?

They are not 100% Christian. =S

Source: Beliefnet.com:

Unitarian Universalism is a liberal religion born of the Jewish and Christian traditions. We keep our minds open to the religious questions people have struggled with in all times and places.
We believe that personal experience, conscience, and reason should be the final authorities in religion. In the end religious authority lies not in a book, person, or institution, but in ourselves. We put religious insights to the test of our hearts and minds.

We uphold the free search for truth. We will not be bound by a statement of belief. We do not ask anyone to subscribe to a creed. We say ours is a noncreedal religion. Ours is a free faith.
We believe that religious wisdom is ever changing. Human understanding of life and death, the world and its mysteries, is never final. Revelation is continuous. We celebrate unfolding truths known to teachers, prophets, and sages throughout the ages.

We affirm the worth of all women and men. We believe people should be encouraged to think for themselves. We know people differ in their opinions and lifestyles, and we believe these differences generally should be honored.
We seek to act as a moral force in the world, believing that ethical living is the supreme witness of religion. The here and now and the effects our actions will have on future generations deeply concern us. We know that our relationships with one another, with diverse peoples, races, and nations, should be governed by justice, equity, and compassion.

And on the site, Christianity isn't linked with UU in the navigation menu. =|

Grr.. I joined UU to get away from Christianity! >.< All that religion's squabbles turn off a lot of people off.

So... we don't know if he would disagree with the letter.

*sigh*.

I saw that too! I wonder what the pope was really thinking at the time....

Well... I'm not a Catholic or a Christian but according to this list I worship Satan... hmm, interesting concept... Most of these qualify me as worshiping Satan and that would be rather hard since I don't believe in Satan...


-Frequently wears black clothing. It's one of my 3 favorite colors (red, black and purple) since when is that a crime?

-Wears band and/or rock t-shirts. <<I own a few...

-Wears excessive black eye makeup, lipstick or nailpolish. I wouldn't say excessive but I wear dark grey eye shadow and black nailpolish most days...

-Wears any odd, silver jewelry or symbols. Some of these include: reversed crosses, pentagrams, pentacles, ankhs or various other Satanic worshipping symbols. first of all ankhs are an egyptian symbol for life... how is that Satanic? oh and pentacles aren't a symbol of Satanism either! *points to signature*

-Shows an interest in piercings or tattoos. I have 8 holes in my ears...ooooo*erie ghost noise* I worship Satan

-Associates with other people that dress, act or speak
eccentrically. Since when is being an individualist a crime?

-Shows a declining interest in wholesome activities, such
as: the Bible, prayer, church or sports. I've never shown an intrest in any of these....

-Shows an increasing interest in death, vampires, magic, the occult, witchcraft or anything else that involves Satan. WICCA IS NOT SATAN WORSHIP!!! OMG PEOPLE!!!

-Is suicidal and/or depressed. Everybody goes through bad times it doesn't mean they worship the "devil".

-Complains of boredom. omg... there are no words for how effing stupid that is...

-Sleeps too excessively or too little. Two words: Sleeping disorders!!!

-Is excessively awake during the night. So now I'm not allowed to be a night owl?

-Demands an unusual amount of privacy. One word: TEENAGER!!!

-Requests time alone and quietness. (This is so that your chid may speak to evil sprits through meditation.) wow... stupid stupid stupid...

-Insists on spending time with friends while unaccompanied by an adult. That would be because parents are embarassing and teenagers like the freedom of being able to deside what to do with their free time with out an adult being there to say no...

-Eats goth-related foods. Count Dracula cereal is an example of this. *rotflmfao* omg.... wow... that's a good one... I'm gonna have to put this in my xanga for my friends to laugh at that.

-Drinks blood or expresses an interest in drinking blood. (Vampires believe this is how to attain Satan. This act is very dangerous and should be stopped immediately.) I can kinda see their poing on this one but... still stupid

-Watches cable television or any other corrupted media sources. (Ask your local church for proper programs that your child may watch.) and another reason to put this on my xanga...

-Uses the internet excessively and frequently makes time for the computer. And now they attack the computer nerds!

-Makes Satanic symbols and/or violently shakes head to music. WTF

-Is homosexual and/or bisexual. *points to signature*

-Pursues dangerous cult religions. Such include: Satanism, Scientology, Philosophy, Paganism, Wicca, Hinduism and Buddhism. true Satanism is the ONLY one of those religions that's even remotely dangerous unless you count hate crimes. Oh, and they're not cults either...*points to signature again*

^ holy crap i think u are the antichrist..

jp =]

who me?

my posts are opinionated and wrong... well about it this way... this is the debate sub-forum is it not? things like this are normal here! ideas, opinions, etc. like me saying "ƒuck you!!!". it's common.

eh... you are full of it!!!

^^^ you tell 'em

No, it's not really that common.

you havent even been debating. just stating an incorrect point and saying thats all there is to it. thats not debating, and thats not common here.

I wasn't talking to you

you were talking to him about me

yes

omg


jp = just playing

yes? yes what?

-Frequently wears black clothing.
i don't, but i have my black stuff here or there. i have to mix it up, ya know?

-Wears band and/or rock t-shirts.
*looks at self* i do believe i'm wearing a death cab for cutie shirt right now.

-Wears excessive black eye makeup, lipstick or nailpolish.
my mom said my eyeliner/mascara is really dark..*shrug*

-Wears any odd, silver jewelry or symbols. Some of these include:
reversed crosses, pentagrams, pentacles, ankhs or various
other
Satanic
worshipping symbols.
i have a claddagah ring, but only cause it was in buffy..

-Shows an interest in piercings or tattoos.
i have my ears pierced and i'm more than likely getting my bellybutton pierced when i'm 18..and i'm considering a small butterfly on my hip or lower back.

-Listens to gothic or any other anti-social genres of
music. (Marilyn Manson claims to be the anti-Christ, and publicly speaks
against the Lord. Please discard any such albums IMMEDIATELY.)
umm i don't think my music is too anti-social..not many people listen to it, so..maybe?..

-Associates with other people that dress, act or speak
eccentrically.
i talk to a lot of people "like that".

-Shows a declining interest in wholesome activities, such
as: the Bible, prayer, church or sports.
i never showed interest in any of those things.

-Shows an increasing interest in death, vampires, magic,
the occult, witchcraft or anything else that involves Satan.
only because i love buffy..so..there's the vampires thing..and willow (on buffy) is a witch and i thought that was cool and did a report on it. (wiccans, pagans) it IS pretty interesting..

-Takes drugs.
nooooope.

-Drinks alcohol.
nooooope.

-Is suicidal and/or depressed.


-Cuts, burns or partakes in any other method of self-mutilation. (This is a Satanic ritual that uses pain to detract from the light of God and
His love. Please seek immediate attention for this at your local mental health center.)
i don't, nor do i in any way believe people do it to "detract from the light of God and His love".

-Complains of boredom.
i'm bored.

-Sleeps too excessively or too little.
i really don't get enough sleep.

-Is excessively awake during the night.
till around midnight or 1, usually, sometimes later. yes, i am a victim to insomnia..

-Dislikes sunlight or any other form of light. (This pertains to
vampires promoting the idea that His light is of no use.)
i don't like the sun because i have to wear a hat or cover my eyes to see, plus it's hot. vampires don't like the sun because they turn into a ball of flames when they step into sunlight.

-Demands an unusual amount of privacy.
what can i say, i'm not a socialite.

-Spends large amounts of time alone.
i don't like most people.

-Requests time alone and quietness. (This is so that your chid may speak to evil sprits through meditation.)
no, this is so i can take a nap.

-Insists on spending time with friends while unaccompanied by an adult.
because when my friend points out the guy she likes i don't want my mom standing behind me going "OOHHHH HE'S CUTE!!! HI STEVEN!!! DID YOU KNOW MELINDA HAS A WITTLE CRUSH ON YOUUUU!??!"

-Disregards authority figures; teachers, priests, nuns and
elders are but a few examples of this.
i only disregard instructions from the authority figures who aren't too nice to me.

-Misbehaves at school.
on occasion.

-Misbehaves at home.
rarely.

-Eats excessively or too little.
i think i eat a normal amount. i'm gonna be full if i wanna be full..

-Eats goth-related foods. Count Dracula cereal is an example of this.
LMGDFAO HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHA

-Drinks blood or expresses an interest in drinking blood.
(Vampires believe this is how to attain Satan. This act is very dangerous and should be stopped immediately.)
mmm, nah. i do put my mouth on my finger or arm when i cut it though, because it hurts and because saliva helps clot blood..

-Watches cable television or any other corrupted media
sources. (Ask your local church for proper programs that your child may watch.)
hehehehe. i watch a looootta corrupted media.

-Plays videos games that contains violence or role-playing nature.
hmm, St. Mary's Church doesn't even know what a video game is. apparently it's a videos game. and yea, i play a lot.

-Uses the internet excessively and frequently makes time for the computer.
what else am i supposed to do?

-Makes Satanic symbols and/or violently shakes head to music.
butbutbut..it's fun.

-Dances to music in a provocative or sexual manner.
shake dat booty.

-Expresses an interest in sex.
and you people at St. Mary's Church DON'T? wow, you're depriiiived.

-Masturbates
well, if you people at St. Mary's Church don't have sex, what else are you gonna do?

-Is homosexual and/or bisexual.
stupidignorantbigotswhoareunopenmindedandstupid...*drones off*

-Pursues dangerous cult religions. Such include: Satanism, Scientology, Philosophy, Paganism, Wicca, Hinduism and Buddhism.
philosophy?? that's not even a religion!

-Wears pins, stickers or anything else that contains these various phrases: "I'm so gothic, I'm dead", "woe is me", "I'm a goth".
my friend has a bumper sticker that says the first thing. not cause he's gothic, just cause it's funny..

-Claims to be a goth.
don't believe i ever have..




buuuut according to this little thingy here i am gothic. wow. i would have never thought of myself like that.

man... you guys take thing to seriously.

hehe.

-Frequently wears black clothing.

-Wears band and/or rock t-shirts.

-Wears excessive black eye makeup, lipstick or nailpolish.

-Wears any odd, silver jewelry or symbols. Some of these include:
reversed crosses, pentagrams, pentacles, ankhs or various other
Satanic worshipping symbols.

-Shows an interest in piercings or tattoos.

-Listens to gothic or any other anti-social genres of
music. (Marilyn Manson claims to be the anti-Christ, and publicly speaks
against the Lord. Please discard any such albums IMMEDIATELY.)

-Associates with other people that dress, act or speak eccentrically.

-Shows a declining interest in wholesome activities, such as: the Bible, prayer, church or sports.

-Shows an increasing interest in death, vampires, magic, the occult, witchcraft or anything else that involves Satan.

-Takes drugs.

-Drinks alcohol.

-Is suicidal and/or depressed.

-Cuts, burns or partakes in any other method of self-mutilation. (This is a Satanic ritual that uses pain to detract from the light of God and
His love. Please seek immediate attention for this at your local mental health center.)

-Complains of boredom.

-Sleeps too excessively or too little.

-Is excessively awake during the night.

-Dislikes sunlight or any other form of light. (This pertains to
vampires promoting the idea that His light is of no use.)

-Demands an unusual amount of privacy.

-Spends large amounts of time alone.

-Requests time alone and quietness. (This is so that your chid may speak to evil sprits through meditation.)

-Insists on spending time with friends while unaccompanied by an adult.

-Disregards authority figures; teachers, priests, nuns and elders are but a few examples of this. (My parents. Who doesn't from time to time?)

-Misbehaves at school.

-Misbehaves at home.

-Eats excessively or too little.

-Eats goth-related foods. Count Dracula cereal is an example of this. ...LMFAO

-Drinks blood or expresses an interest in drinking blood.
(Vampires believe this is how to attain Satan. This act is very dangerous and should be stopped immediately.)

-Watches cable television or any other corrupted media
sources. (Ask your local church for proper programs that your child may watch.)

-Plays videos games that contains violence or role-playing nature.

-Uses the internet excessively and frequently makes time for the computer.

-Makes Satanic symbols and/or violently shakes head to music.

-Dances to music in a provocative or sexual manner.

-Expresses an interest in sex.

-Masturbates

-Is homosexual and/or bisexual.

-Pursues dangerous cult religions. Such include: Satanism, Scientology, Philosophy, Paganism, Wicca, Hinduism and Buddhism. Since when are Hinduism and Buddhism cult religions?

-Wears pins, stickers or anything else that contains these various phrases: "I'm so gothic, I'm dead", "woe is me", "I'm a goth".

-Claims to be a goth.

The bold ones apply to me. My parents should seek help.

this is DEBATE you MORON

we're suppose to take things seriously.

Says the guy who takes NOTHING seriously.

this is debate. your posts can be opinionated and wrong, provided you support them with facts, thus debating.