i didnt say you were wrong

i meant what they were doing was wrong, sorry

^Christmas IS about the birth of christ. Over the years ppl forget that. They think it's about santa claus and presents, but it's really about christ.

BUT, i don't care whether you say happy holiday or merry christmas...it doesn't matter, i think it's nice to say either to someone. But its not fair to sterotype christians like that. We have our own different beliefs So please respect that.

People may have changed around the holiday meanings, but they have every right to celebrate them whether they are christians or not. I'm a christian and we celebrate christmas with presents and trees and listen to christmas music and the works...but we still remember that jesus was born on christmas day and we celebrate that fact. Same with easter...although alot of ppl might no agree on why they celebrate the holiday, i think it's good that ppl can celebrate together no matter what their beliefs are.

umm... it's not really about the birth of christ anymore.

it's a cultural thing about family and values, and giving.

if you want to celebrate the birth of christ, go to christmas mass.

if you wish to see my supporting facts, go to the thread 'you can't have it both ways' , where you can clearly see christmas isn't a pure christian holiday.

then you are celebrating two holidays on the same day.

you celebrate the american christmas, that's about giving and caring.
and you also celebrate the christian christmas, which is going to christmas mass to celebrate the birth of christ.

YES, YES, IT WAS.

Just think along the lines of HISTORY and you should get the answer as to why that is.

I agree, however, the opposite should be acted out as well.

As in, you should be able to say "Happy Holidays" without a crowd jumping all over you saying that you shouldn't celebrate the Holiday if you're not celebrating it for the birth of Christ.




Christmas is about the birth of Christ but December 25th isn't Christ's birthday. Many people think that it's about Santa and presents because we don't want to celebrate it for Christ's birthday. It's not wrong because it's not all about Christ.

Merry Christmas or Happy Holidays make no difference unless the word Christmas is a trademark for or copyrighted to Christianity.

If America is based on Christianity, then why are debating over if we can say "One Nation, Under God"? If we can't say that in the Pledge of Allegiance, then we shouldn't have Christmas for a national holiday.

Dear me, I am getting worked up...*sigh*

you can doubt me as much as you like but its the truth. one of my friend's big sister is so into that everytime i go over to her house, she starts tellin me a story about Jesus. once she even shoved me a CD with sunday school songs in it and told me to listen to it at least twice a day.. god forbid, even if i did consider Christianity, i'd rather drop it.


sure it can. when some self-centered snobs come up to you and say, "you should believe in God! Jesus is the only God in this world.. really, Buddha is a fake." should i believe that?

Wow, now i think those bible thumpers have gone too far there. ok I'm catholic, so i celebrate Christmas. I have nothing against religions or anything. I just think thats going too far with things. People use happy holidays because not everyone celebrates Christmas. They need to start thinking about other religions too.

well, yeah that belief got hecka commerciallized in the early 20th century i believe. if you researched about the true meaning, it was founded like about the 4th century, i dont rlly kno that much about it, but ill research it.

Man this stuff gives me headaches.

why can't we just all be happy and not be worried over
simple words..

thats a good thought. i never thought of that.

yep, thats what i wanna know.

christianity tells us to seperate from worldly things (im christian), but amazingly, conservative christians r forcing non christians to use the term merry christmas instead of happy holidays.. ehhh, i just dont get it. God's love isnt forced. well happy holidays and merry christmas.

It bugs me when people only celebrate it and just do it for the presents.

Who made up Santa anyhow.. ? I think that just really ruined the purpose of christmas because it is really about "the birth of Jesus." I'm sure if we didn't have this whole SANTA & PRESENTS thing involved then people who arn't christian would then have no reason to celebrate it because then we are left with what it is really about and Christmas would be seen as a more religious holiday.

I wanted to make a good point with this but no matter how much I try to put it into words it just isn't coming out how I want it to be. I hope someone understands what I am trying to say.

You should really learn more about your own religion before making comments that insinuate you disagree with it.

If you really looked into the history of Christianity (or Catholicism), Santa Claus, aka Sinter Klaas or Saint Nicholas, was a Bishop who devoted his life to the poor and who later became a patron saint.

Santa isn't made up, he existed.

The only thing Christmas has to do with the birth of Christ is the fact that "mas" stands in for Mass, or service, that is given to thank God for the birth of Christ. Otherwise, the day itself, is meaningless.

The world doesn't revolve around Christains December 25th certainly isn't Christ's date of birth. No where in the Bible states that Christ was born that day. Historians traced the day to during Spring time or begining of Fall but NEVER winter.

People are allowed to celebrate the holidays as they wish as there is NO RIGHT OR WRONG way for non-Christians to celebrate it.

What is wrong with celebrating it for just presents? Historically, Pagans exchanged gifts, cancelled all businesses and warfare, and feasted during this holiday. Christians only adapted this form of celebration much later. So, why would it be wrong to celebrate the holiday as Pagans have done?

I fully agree with uninspiredfae.

My question to everyone who says that atheists/agnostics shouldn't celebrate Christmas: Do you do work on Sunday? This includes homework, housework, and job-related work. You shouldn't if you're a true Christian.

I meant it as how Santa is imaged nowadays as a jolly man who lives in the north pole and travels down childrens chimneys to leave them gifts. We all know that doesn't happen. As for non-christians celebrating christmas, I don't find it wrong. It just makes you think.. well in that case would you celebrate hanukkah ?

Maybe I'm wrong. I'm just stating my opinion.

what about a happy and merry christmahannukwanzika? Anyway today's christmas so I don't think it matters how much they argue now

I celebrate everything BUT the religious aspect of holidays. Sometimes, if I wish, I will go to Mass simply to spend time with my Catholic relatives who invited my family. I'm not going to turn down my extended family's invitation to Mass and be bitter person just because I don't believe in something. Just like I'm not going to stop saying "Merry Christmas" because people are bitter about sharing their holidays.

Santa is portrayed that way, but that doesn't mean he is not Saint Nicholas. Children do not need to know Santa's origin but if one wish, one can educate them.

This reminds me of a story. It so happened that a parent told me that while traveling on the road, her daughter calls anything with four legs a dog. The child called horses, cows and even a neighborhood cat a dog. The parent said she tried to explain to her 3 year old the differences between cows/horses/cats and dogs. After two weeks, cows, horses and cats were STILL dogs to the little girl and the parent gave up. She relates to me that her daughter will make the distinction on her own time.

The point of the story being, who cares what people think Santa is or isn't. One cannot deny who he originally was despite a few stories about chimneys. A dog is still a dog not horses or cows. Santa is still Santa not anything else the commercialized world has made him out to be. Like the child, people will make the distinction on their own time.

As for the gifts and presents aspect of him. It was true, historically, that Saint Nicholas left gifts for the poor in front of their homes.



... everyone states their opinions, with facts to back them up, in a debate.




I was seeing someone who found out that I work and go to school all seven days of the week. I cannot stop being the busy the bee that I am because I have many responsibilities on my shoulders. He stopped seeing me as a potential girlfriend because I wasn't Christian. I wonder, if true Christians are supposed to be so prejudiced.

i belive i just had it both ways, thank you very much.

i have recieved my presents, but my greatest joy came from seeing my sister's face light up at what i got her.

what i celebtrated is christmas, the holiday of giving.

not christmas, the holiday that was stolen by the christians, and turning into something to celebrate christ's birth when it wasn't even then, and that now christians think the nonchristian that the holiday was stolen from can't celebrate it because they aren't christian.

just have a merry christmas.

happy festivus, for the rest of us.

`watch seinfield.

Pshhh talk about knockin me over haha.. well all I have to say is you're debate won me over.

Enough said.

I'm sorry if I over did it. I just can't help but get ticked off when people tells me I can't say Merry Christmas or give/receive presents because I'm not Christian.

Well anyway, I've been meaning to say that I like your screen name. It reminds of something I've read a long time ago that helped to sort a complicated problem for me: "say what you mean and mean what you say".

Thank you. I actually got it from these lyrics : " If you'd be honest and say what you mean" - Mae

Have a good day.
I think I'm done with this topic for today