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post Aug 23 2009, 07:51 PM
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So i do a lot of layout making when it comes to myspace and such. However i kinda want to move to "bigger and better things" so to say. Especially since i feel like no one uses myspace anymore and thats made me lose interest in making myspace layouts.

Anyways, i really want to learn how to make a website i guess. Or atleast layouts for people to use for their website. I just dont know the best way.
 
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post Aug 23 2009, 07:58 PM
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I actually don't use any programs, other than to design the graphics in CS4. It's best to learn about HTML and CSS and all of that by hand before trying a program (; That way you know what you're doing. I Googled a lot of tutorials and other stuff when I was first learning. Try W3 Schools (:
 
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post Aug 23 2009, 08:01 PM
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Dream weaver
 
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post Aug 23 2009, 08:03 PM
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QUOTE(elletricity @ Aug 23 2009, 08:58 PM) *
I actually don't use any programs, other than to design the graphics in CS4. It's best to learn about HTML and CSS and all of that by hand before trying a program (; That way you know what you're doing. I Googled a lot of tutorials and other stuff when I was first learning. Try W3 Schools (:

I mean, i do know most of the basic stuff. But i guess like, being able to see what everything looks like when i put it together and such.
 
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post Aug 23 2009, 08:08 PM
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Do you mean, testing out things? I usually make a mockup in Photoshop and then code on a tester page on my site. Dreamweaver's good, I just can't afford it/don't wanna hack it, lol.
 
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post Aug 23 2009, 08:10 PM
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how much is dreamweaver...
 
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post Aug 23 2009, 08:13 PM
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On the Adobe website, it's about $400. You can get a free trial though. And I think there's student discounts somewhere. My college gets a discount for us, $300 for like five or six Adobe products. I can't afford anything until I get my new laptop though.
 
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post Aug 23 2009, 08:17 PM
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Ouch...sad.gif
 
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post Aug 23 2009, 08:28 PM
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post Aug 23 2009, 08:35 PM
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If you're in college, you can get the education discount for the entire Web Premium suite for ~$400. I just bought it. The best investment I ever made.
 
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post Aug 23 2009, 08:36 PM
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^This.
 
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post Aug 23 2009, 08:41 PM
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QUOTE(JonHMChan @ Aug 23 2009, 09:35 PM) *
If you're in college, you can get the education discount for the entire Web Premium suite for ~$400. I just bought it. The best investment I ever made.

True. However im not starting college until fall 2010 sad.gif also, they never really mentioned the program when i went to visit the college i want to go to. However they did say that i get a free mac.
 
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post Aug 23 2009, 08:42 PM
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^ WHAT SCHOOL ARE YOU GOING TO
My school this past year gave me a free Macbook o:
But I have to return it cause I'm not staying there ):
 
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post Aug 23 2009, 08:44 PM
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^ WHAT SCHOOL ARE YOU GOING TO
My school this past year gave me a free Macbook o:
But I have to return it cause I'm not staying there ):

Northern Michigan University
 
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post Aug 23 2009, 08:45 PM
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Oh okay lol. Different school. You COULD always hack the software but I don't really do that stuff >___>
 
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post Aug 23 2009, 08:50 PM
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I was thinking that.
I found this free software called NVU. Anyone heard of it and know if its any good?
 
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post Aug 23 2009, 08:55 PM
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Dreamweaver makes very bloated code. You really should make everthing from scratch. I could make some mockup templates for you. Like a template of an entire php website. then you just do the html/css and content.
 
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post Aug 23 2009, 09:06 PM
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QUOTE(jcp @ Aug 23 2009, 09:55 PM) *
Dreamweaver makes very bloated code. You really should make everthing from scratch. I could make some mockup templates for you. Like a template of an entire php website. then you just do the html/css and content.

Yeah i would like that thumbsup.gif because im sometimes terrible when it comes to making things from scratch. My friend helped me out a lot when i started making myspace layouts and coding them.
However, i guess my main thing is, you know how with myspace you can change something, then go back to the profile and see if its aligned or not? Thats what i want to be able to do.
 
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post Aug 23 2009, 09:11 PM
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^ You'd need a website (even just freewebs or a subdomain or something) and FTP for that. I can help you with that, if you want (: PM me.
 
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post Aug 23 2009, 09:35 PM
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Freewebs doesnt allow php.
Im writing a little something for you know.
And im including a contact form.
I would suggest studying the whole thing so you know how it works. Thats almost as good as doing it yourself. haha.

Just to compete with gabs... I can give you a subdomain on my site to test stuff out to. And I have unlimited bandwidth tongue.gif biggrin.gif
 
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post Aug 23 2009, 09:35 PM
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QUOTE(jcp @ Aug 23 2009, 09:55 PM) *
Dreamweaver makes very bloated code. You really should make everthing from scratch. I could make some mockup templates for you. Like a template of an entire php website. then you just do the html/css and content.
Bloated code? The templates that come with Dreamweaver are web standards compliant, and the only thing extra they don't need are the comments, which are useful for people who are just starting to learn. Simply a matter of pushing "backspace" to get rid of all the grey areas.

But really...the best program to built a website: yer brain. HTML editors just give you clues to shortcuts. You could build a site as functional as Yahoo entirely in Notepad if you wanted.
 
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post Aug 23 2009, 09:38 PM
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QUOTE(fixtatik @ Aug 23 2009, 09:35 PM) *
Bloated code? The templates that come with Dreamweaver are web standards compliant, and the only thing extra they don't need are the comments, which are useful for people who are just starting to learn. Simply a matter of pushing "backspace" to get rid of all the grey areas.

But really...the best program to built a website: yer brain. HTML editors just give you clues to shortcuts. You could build a site as functional as Yahoo entirely in Notepad if you wanted.

Compliant doesn't mean it doesn't have shit it doesn't need.
 
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post Aug 23 2009, 09:40 PM
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QUOTE(Buttsex @ Aug 23 2009, 10:38 PM) *
Compliant doesn't mean it doesn't have shit it doesn't need.
The templates have a doctype, stylesheet, and a couple div and paragraph tags. The comments are there for educational purposes, and if you don't need the comments, you don't need to use a template. *shrug*
 
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post Aug 23 2009, 09:43 PM
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Im basically saying that, when you make it yourself you no you arent adding unnecessary crap. Sometime things are added but left empty. I need a better text editor for mac though. Also dreaweaver adds a lot of uneeded spaces.

And I like knowing that I made my site myself from scratch. Some people couldnt care less about that.
 
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post Aug 23 2009, 10:23 PM
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QUOTE(jcp @ Aug 23 2009, 07:35 PM) *
Just to compete with gabs... I can give you a subdomain on my site to test stuff out to.

No Gabs. Please. Gabbee or Gabrielle.
 
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