Making a Band Layout, Version 2 |
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Making a Band Layout, Version 2 |
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![]() Treasure Pleasure ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Head Staff Posts: 11,193 Joined: Oct 2005 Member No: 281,127 ![]() |
Since you're limited with which elements you can hide, I recommend just covering up the tables on your page using your layout design.
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Blazed ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Member Posts: 294 Joined: Jun 2009 Member No: 732,840 ![]() |
like how? make a big templete and just cover it up
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anyone have a completed band page done?
and a copy of the source code? some parts are a bit hard to figure out without screenshots. took me a bit to figure out why the header was so low on the page, and then i realised i was an idiot. ![]() so for anyone having trouble w/ the header this is what i got: ![]() and the only code i have on the bio page: CODE <style> .profileWidth table { margin-bottom:256px; width:800px; } .rail { display:none; } .gap { background:url() top left no-repeat; width:810px; height:256ppx; position:absolute; top:0; left:50%; margin:0px 0 -400px -256px; </style> <div class="gap"></div> <style> .topbanner {position:absolute; left:50%; top: 170px; margin-left: -405px; _margin-left:-50 px; width:; height:px; z-index:1;} </style> <div class="topbanner"> <img src="http://www.rocketnight.com/images/myspace/header.png" border="0px" /> </div> hopefully this helps anyone else who was lost. compare mine with step one and it should clear it up. (great tut so far btw)
Reason for edit: Merged posts. Use the edit button if you want to edit your previous post. - TJ
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![]() Senior Member ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Staff Alumni Posts: 7,063 Joined: Jul 2008 Member No: 670,288 ![]() |
Posts Merged.
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Newbie ![]() Group: Member Posts: 7 Joined: Jun 2009 Member No: 734,820 ![]() |
hey mike, tj told me to comment on here and you could help me,
i am having so much trouble doing the rollovers, but i do not feel comfortable posting my code on here. is there a way i can talk to you on msn messenger or over myspace about this? message me back on here not in comment |
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![]() Treasure Pleasure ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Head Staff Posts: 11,193 Joined: Oct 2005 Member No: 281,127 ![]() |
Thanks for that, Thesnowpirate. Keep it up. Fromshiptoshore, how about sending me your codes so you don't have to put it up? It will be difficult trying to identify the issue if I have nothing to look through.
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Blazed ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Member Posts: 294 Joined: Jun 2009 Member No: 732,840 ![]() |
1. whats a good, document size for the layout?
2. what should a banner say when your just getting noticed? and gonna keep the layout for a while, so what should it say. listen to "one" song, ? or just say "official myspace page" ?? 3.how mayne sections should the div have? updates, (upcoming shows?) friends&&comments, about the band pictures, anything alse im missing???? and can i add "from the fans" so i can put the hacks and fan sigs on? |
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![]() Treasure Pleasure ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Head Staff Posts: 11,193 Joined: Oct 2005 Member No: 281,127 ![]() |
Those are all subjective. It's up to you how you want your page to look and what you'd like to have on there. If you want to get a feel of how music pages look, just check out the pages of other artists. Personally, I'd put "Listen to This Track" instead of "Official MySpace Page". A fans section would be a great addition, but you definitely need to put up essential content. The tables you listed should do.
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Blazed ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Member Posts: 294 Joined: Jun 2009 Member No: 732,840 ![]() |
i have been looking around,
i wanna start making it. but the document size is leaving me stuck.. |
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![]() Treasure Pleasure ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Head Staff Posts: 11,193 Joined: Oct 2005 Member No: 281,127 ![]() |
How can you be stuck? You're making the design; you can decide how big or small you want it to be at any stage of the building process.
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Member ![]() ![]() Group: Member Posts: 19 Joined: Aug 2009 Member No: 742,073 ![]() |
i kind of been making my own, and after testing a few sizes, 800 seems to be the best width. the height of course depends on how much content youre putting in between everything.
to be more specific, the image im working on is 2240 wide, including the background. i think thats probably a good place to start. ive dabbled a little bit before but never have made a full blown pro-coded page, which is waht im working on. so try making a new document 2240x 500 or so to start and work your way through. but be sure when you slice later that you make a new doc of just 800x500, and the background is its own seperate file. definitely start with understanding everything thats on top of the player itself and leave the extra stuff for later. ive gone and looked through about 30 pro myspaces between last night and today and using A1Bassline's stuff as a reference, ive really pulled stuff together (coding wise). EDIT: so heres what i got after more playing. i basically stole to code from paramores myspace ( www.myspace.com/paramore ) using bassline's stuff as a reference, and rebuilt the table they had in photoshop/notepad with my own little design for learning purposes. and i gotta thank bassline for the first post. live page (will stay this way until i fix the space at the bottom): http://www.myspace.com/thesnowpirates snapshot: ![]() code (put in influences, i put a couple comment tags in there to let you know whats what w/ the css): CODE <style> { moving the player} div[id="profile_mp3Player"], table table td.text object {position:relative!important; top: -15px; left: 50%; left:7px; _left:16px; z-index:9;} {hiding stuff} .contactTable{ display: none;} .orangetext15{ display: none;} .whitetext12{ display: none;} .nametext{ display: none;} {NavBar all of this is ok makes it clear and changes font} table table div embed, table table div object{ position:relative; z-index:9;} table table table table, table table table td{ background-image:none; background-color:transparent;} table, tr, td{ background-color:transparent; border-style:none;} div.profileWidth div ul li a { font-family:Verdana; font-size:9px; font-weight:bold; color:FFFFFF !important; z-index: 9;} div.profileWidth div ul li a:hover { color:FFFFFF !important; background-color:000000 !important; display:block; z-index: 9;} div.profileWidth div.clearfix, .i i i { background-image:transparent !important; z-index: 9;} .i { display:none;} div.profileWidth table td ul *,div.clearfix i i i { color: 000000 !important font-family:verdana !important; font-size:9px !important; font-weight:bold !important; z-index: 9;} {Body} body table{ margin-top: 330px; margin-bottom:0px;} body div table, body table table, body td table{ margin-top:0px;} body{ background-image: URL('http://www.rocketnight.com/images/myspace/test1/grassbg.jpg'); background-position:center; background-repeat:repeat-y; background-attachment: fixed; background-color: f0efed;} {main banner or table height auto keeps it fine} div.topbanner { width: 870px; height: auto; top: -2px; margin-left: -435px; _margin-left: -435px; left: 50%; position: absolute; align: center; z-index: 3; overflow: hidden; background-color: FFFFFF;} } {end banner} </style> <div class="topbanner"> <center> <table id="Table_01" width="870" border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"> .. <tr> <td colspan="22"><img src="http://www.rocketnight.com/images/myspace/test1/header_01.jpg" width="870" height="118" alt="" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="22"><a href="http://www.msplinks.com/MDFodHRwOi8vd3d3Lm15c3BhY2UuY29t"></a><img src="http://www.rocketnight.com/images/myspace/test1/header_03.jpg" width="870" height="28" alt="" /><a href="http://www.msplinks.com/MDFodHRwOi8vd3d3LmZ1ZWxlZGJ5cmFtZW4uY29t" target="_blank"></a></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="22"><img src="http://www.rocketnight.com/images/myspace/test1/header_05.jpg" width="870" height="32" alt="" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td height="211" colspan="22"><a href="http://www.msplinks.com/MDFodHRwOi8vd3d3LnBhcmFtb3JlLm5ldC9zaG93cw ==" target="_blank"><center><img src="http://www.rocketnight.com/images/myspace/header.png" width="810" height="256" border="0" /><center></td> </tr> <tr> <td height="29" colspan="22"> </td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="22"><img src="http://www.rocketnight.com/images/myspace/test1/header_29.jpg" width="870" height="17" alt="" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="4" rowspan="2"><img src="http://www.rocketnight.com/images/myspace/test1/header_30.jpg" width="29" height="242" alt="" /></td> <td colspan="5"><a href="http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/index.cfm? fuseaction=user.viewAlbums&friendID=11730869"> <img src="http://www.rocketnight.com/images/myspace/test1/default_photo.jpg" width="324" height="222" border="0" alt="" /></a></td> <td colspan="2" rowspan="2"><img src="http://www.rocketnight.com/images/myspace/test1/header_32.jpg" width="13" height="242" alt="" /></td> <td colspan="11" rowspan="5"><img src="http://www.rocketnight.com/images/myspace/test1/header_33.jpg" width="504" height="369" alt="" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="3"><img src="http://www.rocketnight.com/images/myspace/test1/header_34.jpg" width="164" height="20" alt="" /></td> <td width="81"><a href="http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/index.cfm? fuseaction=user.viewAlbums&friendID=11730869"> <img src="http://www.rocketnight.com/images/myspace/test1/view_photos.jpg" width="81" height="20" border="0" alt="" /></a></td> <td width="79"><a href="http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm? fuseaction=vids.showvids&friendID=11730869&n=11730869"> <img src="http://www.rocketnight.com/images/myspace/test1/view_videos.jpg" width="79" height="20" border="0" alt="" /></a></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="11"><img src="http://www.rocketnight.com/images/myspace/test1/header_37.jpg" width="366" height="48" alt="" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="3" rowspan="4"><img src="http://www.rocketnight.com/images/myspace/test1/header_38.jpg" width="20" height="157" alt="" /></td> <td colspan="3"><a href="http://www.msplinks.com/MDFodHRwOi8vbWVzc2FnaW5nLm15c3BhY2UuY29tL2 luZGV4LmNmbT9mdXNlYWN0aW9uPW1haWwubWVzc2FnZSZmcmllbmRJRD0xMTczMDg2OQ=="> <img src="http://www.rocketnight.com/images/myspace/test1/send_message.jpg" width="169" height="39" border="0" alt="" /></a></td> <td colspan="5"><a href="http://www.msplinks.com/MDFodHRwOi8vbWVzc2FnaW5nLm15c3BhY2UuY29tL2 luZGV4LmNmbT9mdXNlYWN0aW9uPW1haWwuZm9yd2FyZCZmcmllbmRJRD0xMTczMDg2OSZmPW ZvcndhcmRwcm9maWxl"> <img src="http://www.rocketnight.com/images/myspace/test1/forward_to_friends. jpg" width="177" height="39" border="0" alt="" /></a></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="3"><a href="http://www.msplinks.com/MDFodHRwOi8vZnJpZW5kcy5teXNwYWNlLmNvbS9pbm RleC5jZm0/ZnVzZWFjdGlvbj1pbnZpdGUuYWRkZnJpZW5kX3ZlcmlmeSZmcmllbmRJZD0xMT czMDg2OQ=="> <img src="http://www.rocketnight.com/images/myspace/test1/add_to_friends.jpg" width="169" height="40" border="0" alt="" /></a></td> <td colspan="5"><a href="http://www.msplinks.com/MDFodHRwOi8vcHJvZmlsZWVkaXQubXlzcGFjZS5jb2 0vaW5kZXguY2ZtP2Z1c2VhY3Rpb249dXNlci5hZGRUb0Zhdm9yaXRlJmZyaWVuZElEPTExNz MwODY5JnB1YmxpYz0w"> <img src="http://www.rocketnight.com/images/myspace/test1/add_to_favorites.jp g" width="177" height="40" border="0" alt="" /></a></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="3"><a href="http://www.myspace.com/.. %20MySpace.invokeWebIMWrapper();"> <img src="http://www.rocketnight.com/images/myspace/test1/instant_message.jpg " width="169" height="39" border="0" alt="" /></a></td> <td colspan="5"><a href="http://www.msplinks.com/MDFodHRwOi8vY29sbGVjdC5teXNwYWNlLmNvbS9pbm RleC5jZm0/ZnVzZWFjdGlvbj1SYXRlSW1hZ2UuVXNlclJhdGluZyZVc2VySUQ9MTE3MzA4Nj k="> <img src="http://www.rocketnight.com/images/myspace/test1/rank_user.jpg" width="177" height="39" border="0" alt="" /></a></td> <td colspan="11" rowspan="2"><img src="http://www.rocketnight.com/images/myspace/test1/shows.jpg" width="504" height="78" alt="" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="3"><a href="http://www.msplinks.com/MDFodHRwOi8vZ3JvdXBzLm15c3BhY2UuY29tL2luZG V4LmNmbT9mdXNlYWN0aW9uPWdyb3Vwcy5hZGR0b2dyb3VwJmZyaWVuZElEPTExNzMwODY5"> <img src="http://www.rocketnight.com/images/myspace/test1/add_to_group.jpg" width="169" height="39" border="0" alt="" /></a></td> <td colspan="5"><a href="http://www.msplinks.com/MDFodHRwOi8vZnJpZW5kcy5teXNwYWNlLmNvbS9pbm RleC5jZm0/ZnVzZWFjdGlvbj1ibG9jay5ibG9ja3VzZXImdXNlcklEPTExNzMwODY5"> <img src="http://www.rocketnight.com/images/myspace/test1/block_user.jpg" width="177" height="39" border="0" alt="" /></a></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="6"><img src="http://www.rocketnight.com/images/myspace/test1/spacer(1).gif" width="6" height="1" alt="" /></td> <td width="4"><img src="http://www.rocketnight.com/images/myspace/test1/spacer(1).gif" width="4" height="1" alt="" /></td> <td width="10"><img src="http://www.rocketnight.com/images/myspace/test1/spacer(1).gif" width="10" height="1" alt="" /></td> <td width="9"><img src="http://www.rocketnight.com/images/myspace/test1/spacer(1).gif" width="9" height="1" alt="" /></td> <td width="67"><img src="http://www.rocketnight.com/images/myspace/test1/spacer(1).gif" width="67" height="1" alt="" /></td> <td width="93"><img src="http://www.rocketnight.com/images/myspace/test1/spacer(1).gif" width="93" height="1" alt="" /></td> <td width="4"><img src="http://www.rocketnight.com/images/myspace/test1/spacer(1).gif" width="4" height="1" alt="" /></td> <td><img src="http://www.rocketnight.com/images/myspace/test1/spacer(1).gif" width="81" height="1" alt="" /></td> <td><img src="http://www.rocketnight.com/images/myspace/test1/spacer(1).gif" width="79" height="1" alt="" /></td> <td width="3"><img src="http://www.rocketnight.com/images/myspace/test1/spacer(1).gif" width="3" height="1" alt="" /></td> <td width="10"><img src="http://www.rocketnight.com/images/myspace/test1/spacer(1).gif" width="10" height="1" alt="" /></td> <td width="2"><img src="http://www.rocketnight.com/images/myspace/test1/spacer(1).gif" width="2" height="1" alt="" /></td> <td width="9"><img src="http://www.rocketnight.com/images/myspace/test1/spacer(1).gif" width="9" height="1" alt="" /></td> <td width="95"><img src="http://www.rocketnight.com/images/myspace/test1/spacer(1).gif" width="95" height="1" alt="" /></td> <td width="62"><img src="http://www.rocketnight.com/images/myspace/test1/spacer(1).gif" width="62" height="1" alt="" /></td> <td width="39"><img src="http://www.rocketnight.com/images/myspace/test1/spacer(1).gif" width="39" height="1" alt="" /></td> <td width="129"><img src="http://www.rocketnight.com/images/myspace/test1/spacer(1).gif" width="129" height="1" alt="" /></td> <td width="34"><img src="http://www.rocketnight.com/images/myspace/test1/spacer(1).gif" width="34" height="1" alt="" /></td> <td width="85"><img src="http://www.rocketnight.com/images/myspace/test1/spacer(1).gif" width="85" height="1" alt="" /></td> <td><img src="http://www.rocketnight.com/images/myspace/test1/spacer(1).gif" width="1" height="1" alt="" /></td> <td width="38"><img src="http://www.rocketnight.com/images/myspace/test1/spacer(1).gif" width="38" height="1" alt="" /></td> <td width="10"><img src="http://www.rocketnight.com/images/myspace/test1/spacer(1).gif" width="10" height="1" alt="" /></td> <td width="1"></td> </tr> .. </table> </center> </div> some stuff gets repeated, and some stuff probably isnt neccessary. i hope this helps anyone else. the only thing i cant figure out, and it happens on paramores myspace as well, is why there is so much extra space at the bottom under the comments. anyone have any ideas? This post has been edited by A1Bassline: Aug 16 2009, 11:15 AM
Reason for edit: Please use [codebox][/codebox] tags when posting long codes. Thanks. - TJ
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Blazed ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Member Posts: 294 Joined: Jun 2009 Member No: 732,840 ![]() |
whats the width and height of the music player?
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Newbie ![]() Group: Member Posts: 5 Joined: Aug 2009 Member No: 742,390 ![]() |
Er...I'm having a bit of trouble on the custom left side thing, I'm not too good with dimensions and honestly this is my first time coding, so what are good dimensions? Like an example?
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i kind of been making my own, and after testing a few sizes, 800 seems to be the best width. the height of course depends on how much content youre putting in between everything. to be more specific, the image im working on is 2240 wide, including the background. i think thats probably a good place to start. ive dabbled a little bit before but never have made a full blown pro-coded page, which is waht im working on. so try making a new document 2240x 500 or so to start and work your way through. but be sure when you slice later that you make a new doc of just 800x500, and the background is its own seperate file. definitely start with understanding everything thats on top of the player itself and leave the extra stuff for later. ive gone and looked through about 30 pro myspaces between last night and today and using A1Bassline's stuff as a reference, ive really pulled stuff together (coding wise). EDIT: so heres what i got after more playing. i basically stole to code from paramores myspace ( www.myspace.com/paramore ) using bassline's stuff as a reference, and rebuilt the table they had in photoshop/notepad with my own little design for learning purposes. and i gotta thank bassline for the first post. live page (will stay this way until i fix the space at the bottom): http://www.myspace.com/thesnowpirates code (put in influences, i put a couple comment tags in there to let you know whats what w/ the css) some stuff gets repeated, and some stuff probably isnt neccessary. i hope this helps anyone else. the only thing i cant figure out, and it happens on paramores myspace as well, is why there is so much extra space at the bottom under the comments. anyone have any ideas? That's because you aren't using my codes, like I suggested and recommended. I recommended you stuck with my codes so problems like this didn't have to be dealt with. The body table code was used and that creates a big space at the bottom. whats the width and height of the music player? 425px wide 345px high Er...I'm having a bit of trouble on the custom left side thing, I'm not too good with dimensions and honestly this is my first time coding, so what are good dimensions? Like an example? In my tutorial, I said 325px is the best width. Height doesn't matter. Just set the height in the div layer to autopx. That's what I do. |
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Adding a Top Banner tutorial is great and it really help me but when I set my top banner logo and clicked preview all was great but I can't submit or edit.what ever of those two I click nothing happens :S what's wrong and how to fix it? I use this setup CODE <style> .profileWidth table { margin-bottom:800px; width:600px; } .rail { display:none; } .gap { background:url(myimage) top left no-repeat; width:900px; height:1150px; position:absolute; top:175; left:115%; margin:0px 0 -400px -1150px </style> <div class="gap"></div> I got it what did I do wrong.the width:900px; height:1150px was the problem :] I just put it on width:600px; height:800px and now is good.thanks again! keep up the good work |
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Newbie ![]() Group: Member Posts: 5 Joined: Aug 2009 Member No: 742,390 ![]() |
Okay, again with the custom left side...is there any way I can turn some of the images into links? to like pictures and add to friends and stuff?
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![]() Senior Member ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Staff Alumni Posts: 7,063 Joined: Jul 2008 Member No: 670,288 ![]() |
tutorial is great and it really help me but when I set my top banner logo and clicked preview all was great but I can't submit or edit.what ever of those two I click nothing happens :S what's wrong and how to fix it? I use this setup I got it what did I do wrong.the width:900px; height:1150px was the problem :] I just put it on width:600px; height:800px and now is good.thanks again! keep up the good work Getting Started Here is a list of things you might want consider using to make your layout: Adobe Photoshop CS4 Adobe Illustrator CS4 GIMP Notepad Some of this tutorial will be based on Adobe Photoshop CS4, but the steps are optional, so you don't have to follow those steps. Before we even start making the layout, make sure you have everything prepared for the layout. Make sure you get rid of all of your current coding on your MySpace, but make sure you do all of your editing in Safe Mode. If you don't do editing in Safe Mode, you will not be able to save your changes. Also, make sure you have your images ready to put on the layout. You will want to have your pictures all uploaded, unless you are looking into slicing images, then you'll have to upload as you go along. Here are some websites you can use to upload your pictures.In my opinion, I would recommend using webs, because Photobucket and Imageshack aren't that reliable. Okay, again with the custom left side...is there any way I can turn some of the images into links? to like pictures and add to friends and stuff? Slicing Images This is an optional part of the tutorial. Slicing images will help greatly with your images loading faster, and it also helps add links to images, since imagemapping will not work on band layouts. For more information on this, check out my tutorial on how to slice images and add links. |
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![]() Treasure Pleasure ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Head Staff Posts: 11,193 Joined: Oct 2005 Member No: 281,127 ![]() |
Okay, again with the custom left side...is there any way I can turn some of the images into links? to like pictures and add to friends and stuff? Just use a link code with the image code, like this: CODE <a href="URL"><img src="URL" alt="" /></a> Replace the first URL with the page you want the link to go and the second URL with the image you want to use. |
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Sorry, lol, I'm new to CSS and DIVs and everything. I just did the slicing tutorial and everything and was wondering if there was any way to get the table code to appear where the top banner would?
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![]() Creative Developer ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Member Posts: 116 Joined: Jan 2009 Member No: 712,281 ![]() |
^ yes, once you get all the image urls in the slice table, copy the whole table (from the first table tag to the second one) and put it where your top image is.
if you used tjs tutorial i think the class is .topbanner im pretty sure he goes over it in his slice tutorial though, but i could be wrong. |
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Newbie ![]() Group: Member Posts: 5 Joined: Aug 2009 Member No: 742,390 ![]() |
You mean between the divclass=topbanner? or what? Could I please get an example of what the code should look like?
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Member ![]() ![]() Group: Member Posts: 16 Joined: Nov 2008 Member No: 697,160 ![]() |
This tutorial is very good on how to really get started with coding a band layout. But I am sorry to say, that by uploading images to webs.com just for hosting them without having a website open through them, is against the terms of service, and will delete your account without warning. They have done it to me before. Just something i think you should have included.
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![]() Senior Member ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Staff Alumni Posts: 7,063 Joined: Jul 2008 Member No: 670,288 ![]() |
This tutorial is very good on how to really get started with coding a band layout. But I am sorry to say, that by uploading images to webs.com just for hosting them without having a website open through them, is against the terms of service, and will delete your account without warning. They have done it to me before. Just something i think you should have included. ![]() -Brandon L -Revolutions Designs I have multiple accounts open with them and they've been active for almost two years without any sort of website, and I haven't been deleted. |
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Newbie ![]() Group: Member Posts: 5 Joined: Aug 2009 Member No: 742,390 ![]() |
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