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post Jun 25 2009, 10:42 AM
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I'm going to pose a scenario...

This guy lived his life as a loathesome prick; a complete and total ***hole. He dies young in a car accident.

Why do people, all of sudden, talk about how nice, amazing and friendly he was after he died? Dying doesn't make you a better person.
 
 
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post Jun 25 2009, 10:45 AM
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idk he was a nice guy and apparently should have afraided of cars
 
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post Jun 25 2009, 10:47 AM
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So am I the prick for not caring?
 
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post Jun 25 2009, 10:54 AM
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I guess one could sit there and try to say they were a nice person to downplay the fact the said dead person lived most of their life being a useless ***hole. I mean no one wants to be the guy who shoes up to the funeral doing the eulogy saying "he was a dick and he got what was coming to him". No, everyone is just going to fake a smile and get the hell out of there and move on.


And no it doesn't make you a "prick".. it just says that you hold people to a high standard even after life lol
 
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post Jun 25 2009, 10:57 AM
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If someone I detested died, I wouldn't show up to their funeral to shit on their corpse, but it doesn't mean I have to shed a tear for them.
 
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post Jun 25 2009, 11:08 AM
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QUOTE(kryogenix @ Jun 25 2009, 11:57 AM) *
If someone I detested died, I wouldn't show up to their funeral to shit on their corpse, but it doesn't mean I have to shed a tear for them.

That's just it; I don't have any intense feelings on his death. He died. Big deal?

No parents, no grandparents, no siblings, no girlfriend, no real friends; just an uncle from West Virginia.
 
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post Jun 25 2009, 11:27 AM
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i dont understand that either. but i guess its just respect for him, i mean, he's dead, and uh.. lets try to look at the better side of him and be positive?
 
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post Jun 25 2009, 06:01 PM
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Everyone is glorified when they die.
 
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post Jun 25 2009, 06:28 PM
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QUOTE(interpretation @ Jun 26 2009, 07:01 AM) *
Everyone is glorified when they die.

Thats because people who glorify the dead are living. Same thing with war, only politicians make it seem so settling. I dont ever hear a "Alrite, I get to go to Iraq" on facebook from any military friends.
 
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post Jun 25 2009, 06:32 PM
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Yeah I get what you mean. There was a guy who went to my high school and died after getting stabbed, and on the news they talked about how he was a such a nice guy and great student who was on the Honour Roll. I mean, he was nice and generally a good guy, but TBH he was way more likely to be dealing drugs during third period than getting A's in class. And how often do people on the Honour Roll get stabbed?! So why even mention his academic record?

Death is hard on the families and they should be respected, but qualities they just didn't have shouldn't be made up to glorify them. On the other hand, it's not exactly a good idea to talk about their negative qualities after their death.
 
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post Jun 25 2009, 06:59 PM
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Death isn't a big deal to me. It's just life. He just died in an unfortunate way. But when someone dies it is nice to bless the dead person by blessing them with good words.
 
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post Jun 26 2009, 06:18 PM
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QUOTE(ohshieza @ Jun 25 2009, 07:28 PM) *
Thats because people who glorify the dead are living. Same thing with war, only politicians make it seem so settling. I dont ever hear a "Alrite, I get to go to Iraq" on facebook from any military friends.

You don't know enough Marines. I made a thread about going to Iraq last year. I was f*cking ecstatic.
 
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post Jun 26 2009, 06:36 PM
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I think if someone who I didn't get along with died (if we didn't make amends or anything of that nature) I wouldn't mourn them, but I'd be respectful to the fact that there are probably people who I know that liked him or her. I'd keep it to myself, because I wouldn't want to say something bad about the person and create another riff with someone who liked him. If that makes any sense...
 
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post Jun 26 2009, 08:00 PM
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QUOTE(karmakiller @ Jun 26 2009, 07:36 PM) *
I think if someone who I didn't get along with died (if we didn't make amends or anything of that nature) I wouldn't mourn them, but I'd be respectful to the fact that there are probably people who I know that liked him or her. I'd keep it to myself, because I wouldn't want to say something bad about the person and create another riff with someone who liked him. If that makes any sense...

I have kept this to myself. But when other people who have said much, much worse about the guy act like it's the end of the world, I'm left in a state of disgusted confusion.
 
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post Jun 26 2009, 08:04 PM
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Dying made me a better person.
 
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post Jun 26 2009, 08:13 PM
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QUOTE(WarMachine @ Jun 27 2009, 07:18 AM) *
You don't know enough Marines. I made a thread about going to Iraq last year. I was f*cking ecstatic.

Have you taken a life? If so, was there any glory in it?
 
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post Jun 26 2009, 10:07 PM
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I had a friend that died and saw people that he didn't even talk to crying. I was like did you know him? I think it's stupid people for people to turn someone dying into yet another way for them to get some attention.
 
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post Jun 27 2009, 01:49 PM
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from what i've seen, death spotlights the traits people saw the potential for. the harshness of death begs at human optimism; it forces people to see things that sometimes weren't even there as a method to repress the fact that sometimes people die alone and unwanted.
 
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post Jun 27 2009, 02:22 PM
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Because of the essential Christian ethics in this country's society, I believe it's pretty much expected for people to sympathize with the deceased. If you look at the individual as one whose primary intents are a means of self reflection, well-being etc, and the ageless virtue "treating others as you would like to be treated", which has been ingrained in me since I was a wee little boy (even in public school when the teachers would lecture to us about social virtues, which have inherently come from Christian teachings), then I think it would be expected. It's not necessarily that death forces people to suddenly become more optimistic, but rather they are really just looking after themselves. They see death and are reminded of how absolute this one thing is. They realize how precious their own lives are.

But not everyone's like this.

I think that decent people really do see the light in even the most grotesque of men.
 
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post Jun 27 2009, 02:34 PM
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^ yeah for me ethics of reciprocity would not apply in this situation, but i guess maybe it would for those who somehow think they have some life after death and will know what people say about them in return. i couldn't care less what people say about me when i'm dead because i won't know anyway so i have no self interest in this at all.

i don't go out of my way to praise someone who dies that wasn't that great of a person to me. but i wouldn't waste much of my time talking about how undeserving of it they were though because i don't see the point in that either. they are dead. who cares about being brutally honest about a person after they are dead really and can't defend themselves anyway. i mean what does anyone really want to gain by pointing out how shitty the person is? why do they feel they need to do this after the person is dead? does it make them somehow feel better? i probably understand this less than i understand those who are overly optimistic about it.
 
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post Jun 27 2009, 02:37 PM
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I think it gives people more of a sense of self-justification when all they say about people is how horrible they were - kind of like "this person deserved to die because of blah blah blah, and I didn't."
And these people, I believe, feel very guilty about the things they've done. So they find a way to release some of that guilt by looking down at those who they feel have been punished.

 
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post Jun 27 2009, 04:20 PM
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QUOTE(WarMachine @ Jun 25 2009, 11:42 AM) *
I'm going to pose a scenario...

This guy lived his life as a loathesome prick; a complete and total ***hole. He dies young in a car accident.

Why do people, all of sudden, talk about how nice, amazing and friendly he was after he died? Dying doesn't make you a better person.


I hate stupid people who re-glamorize people because they died.



People die.. stop suckin their dick after their dead.
 
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post Jun 27 2009, 04:25 PM
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QUOTE(illriginal @ Jun 27 2009, 05:20 PM) *
I hate stupid people who re-glamorize people because they died.
People die.. stop suckin their dick after their dead.


Yeah, but if you thought their dick was hard when they were still alive, wait till rigor mortis kicks in.






































OK that was mad gay my bad yo
 
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post Jun 27 2009, 05:33 PM
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QUOTE(kryogenix @ Jun 27 2009, 04:25 PM) *
Yeah, but if you thought their dick was hard when they were still alive, wait till rigor mortis kicks in.

OK that was mad gay my bad yo


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QUOTE(kryogenix @ Jun 27 2009, 11:25 PM) *
Yeah, but if you thought their dick was hard when they were still alive, wait till rigor mortis kicks in.
OK that was mad gay my bad yo

ROFL !

Anyway, I was about to say how insensitive you were until I took a minuite to actually think. If my dad should die, I wouldn't jump up for joy (immediately) but I definitely won't cry. I'd be shocked but yeah, not going to shed a tear, not going to say anything good about him. He's dead ... (maybe I'll jump for joy later in the day) xD Anyway, I guess it's society's way of 'honouring' the dead. Say something nice and forget how much of a prick they were.

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i don't go out of my way to praise someone who dies that wasn't that great of a person to me. but i wouldn't waste much of my time talking about how undeserving of it they were though because i don't see the point in that either. they are dead. who cares about being brutally honest about a person after they are dead really and can't defend themselves anyway. i mean what does anyone really want to gain by pointing out how shitty the person is? why do they feel they need to do this after the person is dead? does it make them somehow feel better? i probably understand this less than i understand those who are overly optimistic about it.

I don't know about this. I'm not sure if I'd talk shit about my dad (if he should die) as much as I do now, but I'd still talk shit. My life for the past 11 years have been hell. And it's only now, at 21, that I'm actually trying to re-build it. And of course, my dad is trying his best to make sure I fail. I guess I'd only act this way about him.

If someone else I hate should die, I'd shut up.
 

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