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oh i guess i haven't gotten my reparation yet then since i'm not on welfare and haven't known anyone in my family who has been.

i'm not saying white people individually are responsible, i'm saying as a whole, yes i do think the black community is f*cked partly because of the white one. i can't see how they aren't at all at fault.

the white one oppressed the black one for hundreds of years, and then the 1960s comes along and everything is supposed to be fine and well now? i don't get it. how can you f*ck people over for hundreds of years and think they should be recovered in 1/5th of the time. how can you f*ck people over period, and not have any connection to their current problem?

maybe it's offensive to you. it's offense to me to be told i'm supposed to be glad slavery happened, so i guess we're even. i just don't understand when people don't think the black community and white communities problems aren't intertwined.

I think that the general use of "whites" and "blacks" here is narrow minded altogether. The entire act of slavery is a mockery to humanity and I completely understand that in the past, massive amounts of people were enslaved unfairly and not compensated. However, I can, to some extent, understand what Josh is saying by stating that it is not this generation's fault that such atrocities ocurred. How long will the current generation of white people be blamed for our ancestor's mistakes?

I get that by saying that, I might get lumped into this "white" group of people that folks like JC can't seem to discuss this issue with. I'll respect that, but I'm not going to lie and say that I don't think that it's unfair. Of course I disagree with anyone who says or thinks that "black community and white communities problems aren't intertwined." All communites, regardless of what race or minority are intertwined. We're in a huge melting pot, after all. I just believe that we, as a group shouldn't be held accountable for actions performed generations ago.

Having said all that, I'm not opposed to reparations. I don't agree with the sentiment that if the concept of white people today being blamed for crimes committed by white people a long time ago.

Are you insane? Do white people as a whole need to come out with a formal apology? The country has given your people an entire month in reverence to the hardship your people endured. We've taken as much responsibility as we can. Slavery ended in the 1860's. You can live in the past or you can look to the future. It's up to you.


There are African American people in power all around us. It's pretty clear your race is recovering and doesn't need the help of any more "reparation". Affirmative Action, Hate Crimes, Walfare, Section 8... good grief. How much more do you believe is needed to have a "fair" shot at life. Are you saying white people need to take responsibility for our actions and hand out another "crutch"? I don't feel bad for African Americans because I'm not a racist. I don't think they need anything because I believe they're capable of doing just as much as white people.

I'll say it again, as I have said it before. The African Americans of today aren't victims of slavery.

I have a little more to add to this discussion.

Black people were never the only slaves.

oh cool, a whole month. i feel better now. slavery ended in the 1860's, black oppression didn't, the white people weren't done being racist yet!

yeah my race is recovering, i'm not saying it's not. i'm saying it's silly to expect people who've been pushed down for hundreds of years to make a complete turn around from it in 50. i've already said i don't believe in paying reperations out unless it was in the form of investing money into education and what not. i don't think anyone needs to mail me a check. i don't think any of my white friends need to give me a jar full of money so we can be even. i am living in the future.

what other group in america are you talking about?

what other group in america are you talking about?

what other group in america are you talking about?

Again, what do you expect? Do you want me to acknowledge that African Americans need a crutch for things to be fair because of the sins of our forefathers. No, I refuse to further racism by suggesting they need some kind of crutch for fairness in present day America.



In that case I agree with you, you cannot expect a race of people who have been oppressed for 100's of years by not only American's by the natives of their own country to make a complete turn around within 2 generations, however you also cannot give them so many advantages in the sake of fairness that when they do in fact equalize they have unfair advantages other races.

Serious?...

shrugs, i don't need a cruch. and i agree that they don't need to be given advantages to the point of it being unfair. i don't think it's wrong that they've gotten advantages or things like affirmative action though. i mean it's not our fault some people have to be forced into not being jackasses to other races.

Do you think that there will ever be a point in time where the races of the world have equalized and affirmative action can be removed?

Fuck no.

yes. sometimes, a lot of the times, i think that time has already come. i don't feel like i need it. of course, then i always hear stories and stuff about employers and others still being racist and wonder if we still need it. i don't know. i don't think i need that kinda help personally. i don't want it becuase i'd like to think i'll be qualified enough on my own.

even when we remove it for race though, i still think we'll need it for gender. i think we need it for gender more now than anything.

Do you think that there will ever be a point in time where the races of the world have equalized and affirmative action can be removed? Eventually affirmative action will become an unfair advantage to "minorities". As they won't be minorities and will instead be accepted members of society.

good debate

Sure when the White Race is no longer... mixing of races.

I'm just keeping it simple.

Because if we went after the government for every offense done they would have to pay off every hispanic, asian, jew, german, russian, polish, and so many other groups of people for the bullshit the American Government did back in the day.

Better?

I don't like this debate at all. I'm just going to bow out of it and hold onto my personal beliefs. This is just one of those subjects that causes issues. As a Black man, I don't want anyone taking pity on me because of what happened before my time.

I don't like this debate at all. I'm just going to bow out of it and hold onto my personal beliefs. This is just one of those subjects that causes issues. As a Black man, I don't want anyone taking pity on me because of what happened before my time.

I certainly don't treat my Jewish friends like that, and I'd like that same respect. This bullshit talk of reparations becomes a battle between the selfish and the stingy; both sides just look ignorant.