Let's think about this...if Obama's father were white, would we even be having this discussion?

Obama's color actually gave him an advantage.

I'm not arguing that with you, because the numbers are not definitive. And while I'm sure you may live in a liberal area, the way you whine about liberals, I live among racists. Didn't help him for a second here.

How is that relevant to the conspiracy theory being discussed in this thread, anyway?

He's right though.

lol it's not racist, it's the truth. he was born in a state, he has a birth certificate and the state says he was born there. same as every other presidential nominee. if he was white that would be plenty of evidence.




exactly.

It doesnt relate at all, I was just replying to someones comment. Although, you have to think of the US as a whole, not just my neighborhood and yours. Ya know?

oh yeah and they also have his birth announcement in the Honolulu newspaper apparently. it would be pretty hard to go and alter every copy/record of that newspaper from forty something years ago


damn those black people are so sneaky

The truth is, none of this matters anymore. The bottom line is that he won. If he wasn't a natural born citizen, he would not be President Elect. It is in the Constitution that this must be so in order to run for position. In my opinion, Republicans (not all), conservatives, racists, and more, are just looking for more reasons to somehow shine a negative light on a very intelligent and deserving person who won an election in the fairest way possible. The overall acceptance of a President who happens to be just as much African American as he is White, is outrageous. Or bosses are African American, as are our teachers and coaches. He is the future of this country. Whether it is a positive or negative future is still yet to be seen, but our future nonetheless. Now I know that this is not a direct answer or response to the original post in this thread. However, this is where it originates from. (Not making any judgments on the person who started this topic. I assume it was just a general statement which was heard through the grapevine, so please take no offense to my comments).

^Yeah, that's not actually true. If he were actually not born in American, it would have to be confirmed before he was inaugurated, and he would not become president. The qualification, evidently, doesn't apply to being elected. (In response to the first three sentences.)


What exactly are you referring to then? Because on a national scale, I don't think there's any real foundation for what you're saying there...which is why I assumed you were going by what's around you. But like I said, I really don't care to discuss this with you. Especially not with you.

I stand corrected. I will carry this new information with me now. But I'm still not sure about one thing. Just out of curiousity, do agree or disagree that he is from the states? You may have already said in a previous posts that I'm not remembering. So I appoloigize for a repetetive answer if you have.

I believe that he was born here and not Kenya, yes.

But I aim for truth over partisanship :)

Very respectable answer.

^ this guy is f*cking funny!

that's politics for ya. :/

and obama is half black and half white.

not to mention color has no role in the matter.

This post has been edited by paperplane: Nov 23 2008, 11:24 AM

You're absolutely right. So people have a hard time realizing that though.

how does color not have a role in the matter? i mean maybe it doesn't but i think it's silly to say that like it's fact or something. i think color has plenty of role in the matter because i already said if he was white i don't think this would be an issue. he has all the evidence needed to prove he's a citizen and has just as much as every other white candidate, more really, and it's still an issue to people. why is that he's held to a higher standard than his white counterparts?

yeah actually its in the qualifications to qualify for presidnet u gota be born in the US

but idk maybe they changed it since times have changed
but wouldnt dat be considered unconstitutional?

did you even read the topic. he was born in the US.

they haven't changed it. and most likely never will, or wont anytime soon.
try and read the topic :D

although he's hald blk and half white. there is an unwritten "one drop rule" in America. basically if u hav 1 drop of black in u, ur considered black.

anyways... back to the topic. i think it's been answered. he was born in the united STATES (which includes Hawaii) of america. so there u go...

Someone may have already posted this, but I haven't seen it.

How Obama Got Elected

This is why I was against this whole movement of getting everyone to vote this year. Yeah, it's great to vote, but this is the kind of ignorance it brings in. People shouldn't be made to feel like they have to vote. They should vote when they feel comfortable and informed enough. It's also a great example of the amount of control the media has in this country. It's sad, really. No other way to describe it.

Keep your bashing at bay. This isn't an attack on Obama and it has nothing to do with my personal opinion on the outcome of the election. I just think it's interesting to see just how stupid some people can be. Hopefully this will spark some intelligent discussion, but I won't hold my breath.

Agree.

The video on that site is absurd...not because it's showing people's ignorance (both sides did that for months. Too many Americans are ignorant, we know this), but because it says they interviewed "the most informed Obama supporters they could find" to show how little they knew. If someone doesn't know what party controls congress, that person is by no means well informed. It makes no sense to say that people were misled by the media, when these people obvious don't make any effort to stay informed. Really, this is just rehashing the same shit that went around before the election. Bias bias bias. As we've seen, you're not going to get better results from McCain supporters. This is not a partisan issue, as sites like that make it out to be, this is a cultural issue, because as a people we are far too enamored with stupidity.

Give me a f*cking break That video is not indicative of all Obama supporters and I bet I can find videos of more stupid McCain/Palin supporters.

"On election day we spoke to the most informed Obama voters we could find"... right.