How Could One Justify Adultery?, Or is it Unforgivable? |
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How Could One Justify Adultery?, Or is it Unforgivable? |
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Marriage is serious business!
Well, it should be viewed that way, at least. How could one justify cheating on their spouse? What situation could possibly permit such an act as 'excusable?' On the other hand, depending on the situation, is it possible for a third party to find some sense of 'right' by knowingly getting involved with a married person? I'd like to hear some responses. It seems like a vague question now, but I'll go into detail a bit more pending the responses I get. |
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The difference between a regular relationship and marriage is the level of commitment. Marriage is the utmost loyalty to one's significant other, so cheating is in no way justifiable. If you're not sure you won't be tempted to cheat, then don't get married.
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![]() isketchaholic ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Staff Alumni Posts: 2,977 Joined: Apr 2007 Member No: 516,154 ![]() |
I wouldn't say it's a justification, but at least a reason for why adultery may occur in some cases, is simply the dying off of emotions/feelings. People change, feelings change, and though it may not have been the best choice circumstantially for someone to go off and find someone else before first severing relations with the marital spouse, people should not be blamed simply for no longer having feelings for a person.
also, by not just directly calling for a divorce before going off to to rendezvous with someone more emotionally compatible, I think that though the person may not be INFATUATED AND SUPER IN LOVE ANYMO, that person still cares about the marital spouse. thus, they cannot bring themselves to outright end the marriage and/or hurt the opposite party. just because someone isn't in love with someone, does not mean they cannot care about the other person. (I guess in this case this would be emotional adultery) As for physical adultery, hey it happens. Someone's needs aren't taken care of and for lack of better judgment decide to NOT TALK ABOUT with their marital spouse. this requires a serious reason that I can only attribute hypothetically to the fact that maybe some people are just in a fundamentally flawed relationship with people they cannot communicate with. (this is an emotionally sound? (though not really) and physically unsatisfying relationship) |
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![]() and so it is ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Human Posts: 1,304 Joined: Feb 2004 Member No: 3,085 ![]() |
I wouldn't say it's a justification, but at least a reason for why adultery may occur in some cases, is simply the dying off of emotions/feelings. People change, feelings change, and though it may not have been the best choice circumstantially for someone to go off and find someone else before first severing relations with the marital spouse, people should not be blamed simply for no longer having feelings for a person true. but then why does that person not do/say something about the dying feelings? why choose to continue leading the other on, as if nothing was wrong? it's not okay to pretend and lie about your emotions to yourself and your spouse. there is obviously something wrong in the relationship, and the problem should've been addressed between you & your spouse, NOT you & somebody else. so although i don't think that people should be blamed for dying emotions for another person, i do think it's to blame when the adulterer handles the situation in that fashion. it's irresponsible to cheat just because there may be problems in the marriage. if you truly don't feel like the marriage is working out - end it - don't sneak around. it's not fair to your spouse. |
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![]() isketchaholic ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Staff Alumni Posts: 2,977 Joined: Apr 2007 Member No: 516,154 ![]() |
true. but then why does that person not do/say something about the dying feelings? by not just directly calling for a divorce before going off to to rendezvous with someone more emotionally compatible, I think that though the person may not be INFATUATED AND SUPER IN LOVE ANYMO, that person still cares about the marital spouse. thus, they cannot bring themselves to outright end the marriage and/or hurt the opposite party. just because someone isn't in love with someone, does not mean they cannot care about the other person. Someone's needs aren't taken care of and for lack of better judgment decide to NOT TALK ABOUT with their marital spouse. this requires a serious reason that I can only attribute hypothetically to the fact that maybe some people are just in a fundamentally flawed relationship with people they cannot communicate with. is it right? I don't think so. but is it understandable? in my opinion, yes. not all people are cold-hearted pigs and after 20 years of marriage are able to come out and say that they no longer love their spouse. it takes an extremely strong person to be able to admit something like that to a spouse, and the truth of the matter is most people don't have that sort of courage. |
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![]() and so it is ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Human Posts: 1,304 Joined: Feb 2004 Member No: 3,085 ![]() |
is it right? I don't think so. but is it understandable? in my opinion, yes. not all people are cold-hearted pigs and after 20 years of marriage are able to come out and say that they no longer love their spouse. it takes an extremely strong person to be able to admit something like that to a spouse, and the truth of the matter is most people don't have that sort of courage. i didn't mean to blatantly say, i don't love you anymore, cause that's just heartless. when i said "why does that person not do/say something about the dying feelings?", i was referring to the time period when the individual notices a problem in the marriage, not to when the feelings are completely gone. feelings just don't die overnight - they occur over disagreements and over time. there has to be a point in time when the individual notices a strain in the marriage and still has feelings for his/her spouse. but one bump in the road shouldn't finalize a marriage, right? however, letting these "bumps" slide by not addressing the problem will take a turn for the worse. HERE is where i meant for the individual to say/do something before it 'takes a turn for the worse'. i said dying feelings, meaning that there is still some chemistry there. usually, at this point in time, people are still willing to make sacrifices for and compromise with his/her spouse. like you said, communication is key. the person should have, at this point, talked to the spouse and attempted to work things out instead of letting the problems escalate to the point where no feelings remain. i can't seem to find the words to express my thoughts so i'm sorry if this is confusing and makes absolutely no sense. |
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1 person gets boring
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![]() Mais je ne l'aime pas ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Member Posts: 971 Joined: Mar 2005 Member No: 108,135 ![]() |
I don't think one can truly justify adultery in a committed relationship.
Having a commitment means giving someone else your word. Giving that person the promise that you will stay faithful. When you cheat, that's going against your word. It's pretty much saying that your word has little value. But then again, the world is not black and white. There are shades of grey that need to be considered when talking about relationships. While each one is different, however, cheating is still a terrible thing to do. |
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![]() Lets Get Dead ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Member Posts: 381 Joined: Apr 2008 Member No: 641,562 ![]() |
I'm a little unsure about this topic. While in a perfect world, a marriage means commitment and a binding of two people for all eternity, it just doesn't work that way most of the time. Humans are one of the few creatures who "mate" for life. (Or attempt to.)
The idealistic side of me completely agrees with adultery being wrong. There is no excuse. It's a horrible thing to do to someone, and the ultimate betrayal. However, I've found most of the time when someone cheats, whether in a marriage or otherwise, it's because something is missing in the relationship. They don't want to leave the person they're in a relationship with, but they need to fulfill their needs. Sometimes they aren't trying to fix the relationship, sometimes they are. I agree that it takes more courage to tell someone you love that something is missing from their relationship, than it does to fulfill your needs yourself and continue on. I also completely agree. Don't even consider it. It's not worth what can happen. |
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![]() ^_^ ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Staff Alumni Posts: 8,141 Joined: Jan 2005 Member No: 91,466 ![]() |
To avoid any NJPs or Court-Martials, I would stay away from that. You never know when the btch goes crazy and starts popping off at the mouth. She won't get in trouble because shes a civilian, but you definitely will. Ive seen it happen. Whatever the relationship with her and her husband, if she's trying to get with you and shes married, its trouble. She'll only do the same thing with you. This is one of the big reasons I left. This is one of the big reasons why I feel like its damn near impossible to have a normal, healthy, social life that doesn't involve bar-fights, binge drinking and barracks whores. I get what you're saying, and I'm really not trying to get with this broad. But the story goes as follows; she's deployed, husband is at home with the kids; husband goes TAD to Lejeune and subsequently knocks up his PFC girlfriend (he's a SSgt, mind you); dumb husband emails his wife (drunk) thinking he's email his girlfriend and the truth comes out. I happen to be the shoulder to cry on. Perception is reality so nothing happened. You understand me better than anyone else here so I'll leave it at that. QUOTE But then again, the world is not black and white. There are shades of grey that need to be considered when talking about relationships. Marriage is no different. |
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![]() The Resident Drunk ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Head Staff Posts: 8,623 Joined: Nov 2007 Member No: 593,266 ![]() |
I mean any normal guy would be like hit that, but any guy with the least bit of decency wouldn't. You are basically taking advantage of a situation that is very sketchy if you do. I definitely wouldn't want to be caught up in all of that baby mama drama if I were you, and knowing the type of chill guy that you are, I know that that is the last thing that you want on your plate. I mean if later on down the line i.e. a few days after it has blown over, and she is into it, then go for it.
As far as adultery goes: I definitely think that it is justifiable. It is justifiable under certain grounds though. Some people feel that just emotionally connecting with someone is cheating, so they go ahead and cheat back. If I were married to a woman that cheated, I wouldn't necessarily cheat to get back at her, but I would find another way to go about my revenge. To me the only time adultery is unforgivable, is when passing on a disease, or false parenthood. Other than that, all adultery is forgivable. |
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![]() Lets Get Dead ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Member Posts: 381 Joined: Apr 2008 Member No: 641,562 ![]() |
As far as adultery goes: I definitely think that it is justifiable. It is justifiable under certain grounds though. Some people feel that just emotionally connecting with someone is cheating, so they go ahead and cheat back. That said, I'd rather someone cheat on me physically every single night than emotionally cheat on me. As long as they were coming home to me I'd be alright. |
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![]() The Resident Drunk ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Head Staff Posts: 8,623 Joined: Nov 2007 Member No: 593,266 ![]() |
That said, I'd rather someone cheat on me physically every single night than emotionally cheat on me. As long as they were coming home to me I'd be alright. Right and no offense, but that is something that 90 percent of women say. Men and women are totally different on this issue. A man can't stand it if a woman cheats because he is gonna start thinking: Am I too cheap Am I not hitting it right What does this n*gga have that I don't.... |
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![]() Lets Get Dead ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Member Posts: 381 Joined: Apr 2008 Member No: 641,562 ![]() |
Right, I understand that completely. For both it's an issue of "Am I not fulfilling them (physically/emotionally)?" For women we'd rather have you go off and get whatever you need physically than have you go have an emotional affair with another woman. Because then it's more personal, and becomes "Don't I mean anything? Do they love me?" and is more of a threat. Whereas, if a woman cheats it's exactly like you said, an issue of his manhood or ability.
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I can find justification in this entire situation, but the law cannot. The uniformed code of military justice is unforgiving. I'm as realistic as anyone can ever be, I'm also surprisingly patient when it comes to matters of the heart. I care more about her happiness, and her peace of mind than my own. Plain and simple. It doesn't really matter what I think or how I feel about her. Without a doubt, I hold her in an extremely high esteem.
This realization that she's going through is a battle that only she can fight. She's battling herself one on one and the only support anyone can give her is the support to keep her spirits high. I certainly don't mind serving a specific purpose in her life. When I'm no longer needed, and the connection between us is forceably broken, then I'll be nothing more than a memory; a beacon of light during one of her life's storms. To bring the issue home... Time to speak my peace and make a b-line to the exit. Just because I've added complication to her life doesn't mean this situation should be more complicated than what it is, and it certainly doesn't mean she can't talk to me about it. The same respect she's given me will be reciprocated. |
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Adultery is terrible.
Marriage is a commitment to another person. A promise that you will hold eachothers feelings above all else, that you will always be there for that person FOR THE REST OF YOUR LIFE. I know most people don't go into a marriage thinking "well, if it doesn't work out I can always cheat", but there are other options. Talking, counseling, and if all else fails divorce. Even if you are being cheated on two wrongs don't make a right. Go your seperate ways before you start scrogging some one else. I was always taught that marriage is a sacred union, even if you don't believe in God, at one point in time these people REALLY loved eachother, or really thought they did. Love is still something sacred, right? |
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Adultery is terrible. Marriage is a commitment to another person. A promise that you will hold eachothers feelings above all else, that you will always be there for that person FOR THE REST OF YOUR LIFE. I know most people don't go into a marriage thinking "well, if it doesn't work out I can always cheat", but there are other options. Talking, counseling, and if all else fails divorce. Even if you are being cheated on two wrongs don't make a right. Go your seperate ways before you start scrogging some one else. I was always taught that marriage is a sacred union, even if you don't believe in God, at one point in time these people REALLY loved eachother, or really thought they did. Love is still something sacred, right? Are you married? |
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adultery may be forgivable, but never justifiable. there is just no such thing as having a legitimate excuse for cheating imo. if you no longer have feelings for your significant other, deal with it or leave. if you have "needs" your significant other can't satisfy, suck it up or leave. if you are infatuated with someone other than your significant other, ignore the temptation or leave.
i'm aware there are many different situations in which one can possibly be placed, but none would justify physical cheating to me. i might forgive my spouse for cheating, just because i'm a forgiving person, but that doesn't necessarily mean i would stay with this person and/or accept that his act is justified or excusable. |
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adultery may be forgivable, but never justifiable. there is just no such thing as having a legitimate excuse for cheating imo. if you no longer have feelings for your significant other, deal with it or leave. if you have "needs" your significant other can't satisfy, suck it up or leave. if you are infatuated with someone other than your significant other, ignore the temptation or leave. i'm aware there are many different situations in which one can possibly be placed, but none would justify physical cheating to me. i might forgive my spouse for cheating, just because i'm a forgiving person, but that doesn't necessarily mean i would stay with this person and/or accept that his act is justified or excusable. That's a very reasonable response, and I do agree with that 100%. But as stated in the thread, being in a deployed state, then having such a situation rear it's ugly head, moves this into the 'gray area.' |
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![]() Lets Get Dead ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Member Posts: 381 Joined: Apr 2008 Member No: 641,562 ![]() |
It occurring while deployed is just deplorable on the husband's part in my opinion. My boyfriend's wife cheated on him while he was in Iraq about this time last year, and on Thanksgiving posted a Myspace bulletin that she was leaving him and getting a divorce. (Without telling him personally first.) It brings out the worst in people I think. She later had the nerve to say she only cheated because he was never around. Though, he was in the army when they married, and she knew full and well he'd be getting deployed again.
I don't know, I guess i have a bit of a double standard in that area. The people who cheat while their spouses are deployed should have their reproductive organs removed with rusty tools in my opinion. |
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![]() I'm Jc ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Mentor Posts: 13,619 Joined: Jul 2006 Member No: 437,556 ![]() |
f**k no it isn't justifiable, what a bunch of lousy human beings.
![]() but yeah it's always justifiable when you're in a situation that needs to be justified. ![]() nah really though, i am not for cheating at all. i have never cheated physically and never will i don't think, but i brush the line of emotionally cheating more than i'd like. i think there's plenty of situations where things can be justified, but that never makes it anymore right. i don't see a huge difference between a situation being a serious relationship and marriage. the ring doesn't make things worse imo, the only thing that makes things "worse" are if there is a family/kids involved. that's kinda too much for me to stomach, but i won't say it's 100% not justifiable becuase there just isn't any 100% to anything involving relationships. so yeah, i think it can be justified. |
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![]() The Resident Drunk ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Head Staff Posts: 8,623 Joined: Nov 2007 Member No: 593,266 ![]() |
^ Your post went all over the place before coming back full circle lol.
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It occurring while deployed is just deplorable on the husband's part in my opinion. My boyfriend's wife cheated on him while he was in Iraq about this time last year, and on Thanksgiving posted a Myspace bulletin that she was leaving him and getting a divorce. (Without telling him personally first.) It brings out the worst in people I think. She later had the nerve to say she only cheated because he was never around. Though, he was in the army when they married, and she knew full and well he'd be getting deployed again. I don't know, I guess i have a bit of a double standard in that area. The people who cheat while their spouses are deployed should have their reproductive organs removed with rusty tools in my opinion. That's awful. I know it seems very hypocritical for me to say this, but this is why I'm scared shitless to get married while in the military. The job itself; no sweat, but it takes a toll on your life. I don't want to go on a deployment (next up; Afghanistan), and have to worry about my wife/girlfriend getting run through and spending my damn money. I understand that my situation contradicts what I believe about this whole topic, but then again, that's the gray area. QUOTE LOL Yep. So the husband jacked it up. That truly adds a whole new perspective to things. Well from my personal experience, words of wisdom: When a female Marine gets cheated on, they get very bipolar. One week, shes saying its over and she wants to move on. The next week, she'll tell you that she and her husband are going to try and make it work. And it keeps going in a cycles. Now take notice of your surrounding. When you're surrounded by men, having a female companion is fantastical. It lightens up your whole day. Whether we admit it or not, we long for that female companionship. So then our perspective gets really narrow. We start thinking that this is the only way we can be happy. The Here and Now. He cheated on her. Shes looking for answers. We don't know what kind of answers shes looking for. Revenge? Closure? Or just piecing back the relationship. Yes, deployments have an effect and makes everything different. If you for sure know that she wants to move on, and that she wants it from you... just don't get caught. But if she's swinging moods left and right over the course of the month, step back. Step the F back. Personally, I had to step back. Btch was crazy. I'm glad I did. Girl is now still in, just had a child from her ex, living alone. It breaks my heart. Meanwhile I am typing up this unintentional long essay in the freedom of my computer lab at my college, sitting next to this girl I'm about to hollar at, soaking up all this fantastical FREEDOM! Because I can! Because I stepped back. This situation is routine drama in the Corps. When you come back and if and when you choose to get out, your vision will expand to the point where you'll be laughing at this subject. Career wise, this is providing stability for me that I just can't overlook. With the job market crumbling, people being laid off, and too many uncertain variables out there, I can't turn my back on a guaranteed paycheck unless I have something else out there. The Corps itself, it's not treating me bad at all. I'll see what I'll do next once I get to my next unit (Pentagon. Ultimate POG status). If all works out, MSG or recruiting duty will be the route I take. As for the scandalous skeezers and stunts; I'm about fed up. Can a brotha have a normal social life? Shit. QUOTE f**k no it isn't justifiable, what a bunch of lousy human beings. but yeah it's always justifiable when you're in a situation that needs to be justified. nah really though, i am not for cheating at all. i have never cheated physically and never will i don't think, but i brush the line of emotionally cheating more than i'd like. i think there's plenty of situations where things can be justified, but that never makes it anymore right. i don't see a huge difference between a situation being a serious relationship and marriage. the ring doesn't make things worse imo, the only thing that makes things "worse" are if there is a family/kids involved. that's kinda too much for me to stomach, but i won't say it's 100% not justifiable becuase there just isn't any 100% to anything involving relationships. so yeah, i think it can be justified. That made sense. I don't know how, but that made sense. QUOTE No, I'm not married. You replied too late. I was going to respond but I don't feel the need to. Good day. |
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![]() ^_^ ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Staff Alumni Posts: 8,141 Joined: Jan 2005 Member No: 91,466 ![]() |
The Post-9/11 Veterans Educational Assistance Act of 2008 or “New GI Bill” has been enacted into law. It will go into effect August 2009. Dude, they will pay all your school and give you rent (BAH) at sergeants rate. You don't have to worry about work. Just go to school, get that paper and live comfortably! Get out I say! No more massive worries of infidelity and UCMJ. http://www.gibill.va.gov/ ...word? Hmmm. That gives me a better chance to get established in the civilian world. I have my foot in the door, but I'm really trying to get away from the government at this point. I love the Corps, but not enough to sacrifice my individuality. I've been meaning to ask you about something... You know how you're fed all this shit about how much the Marine teaches this and that, and how these intangibles can be applied to the civilian world and blah, blah, blah. Do you think that the 'experiences' that I'm sure we've both shared in our own way, negatively affects our morals? Like, for instance, this situation. |
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