So, political discourse has been showing up more and more the closer and closer we get to November. As a result, I've decided that this thread should exist. All political arguments that relate to the elections (and the candidates) should find their home here, more or less.

Who do you think should run America? Why?
What direction do you think America is going in, as a country? What direction do you think we should go in? Why?

Support your arguments with evidence and details, make citations, try to have fun; no spamming, character bashing, etc. etc.

Im English but Obama looks like a hench beast who should be President in short, haha!

Im not english.. what is a Hench beast?

^this is from our convo in the prostitution thread since we can't continue there.


explain to me why you think it's ridiculous that you should actually be able to live and have basic necessities on your wage? you make no sense to me. you say it's ok to raise the minimum wage, yet it's ridiculous to have a living wage. why?? obama wants to raise the minimum wage, to one that is LIVABLE and accounts for things like inflation. are you just a idiot and don't know what you're talking about or do you not care about minimum wage because your family is rich so it'll never matter to you personally? those two things are the only that make what you're saying make any sense to me.

now i'm more confused because you say that everyone who doesn't have an education should get off their ass and work. except for you don't support those jobs actually being able to pay for them to live and support their family on...? so what are they gonna do? wait you do realize that having an education doesn't mean that you are exempt from ever making minimum wage right?



how are we gonna kick all illegal immigrants out? you do realize that a lot of their children are american citizens right? so what do you wanna do with all the children who didn't do anything wrong besides be born here? you wanna just take their parents away and throw them out of america? it's gonna take a lot of work to throw millions of people out of the country, so are we gonna focus our entire law enforcement system on kicking them out or what? if it was that easy/fast to become a citizen the right way, there wouldn't be so many here the wrong way. obviously there's a problem in the system. i don't think that people think they should live here for free and pay no taxes, i just think they are smarter than you and see that you can't just kick every single immigrant out of the country that easily and have it all fixed. it's not even practical.

Also, I'd like to add on the illegal immigrants thing. You do realize that not all illegal immigrants are coming over the border. A lot of them just have visas that have expired, so therefore it's illegal for them to be here, and some aren't even aware. You have to consider all illegal immigrants when making laws about them. You can't just blame all the "free-loader" nonsense on all illegal immigrants. Isn't it unfair to shoo away all illegal immigrants because of one issue correlated with certain groups of people? What if there was a nice family member staying with their american relatives, and they stayed too long and were illegal immigrants? It's possible. We can't just unwelcome them! They have no where to go if they immigrated from overseas. Their children would just be left here, as citizens, and it's unfair to take a child's parents away. It's not as easy as saying shoo them back over the border. Not all illegal immigrants come from mexico.

Good thoughts people

i'd like to add on the illegal immigration topic as well

i'm surprised you didn't talk about illegals stealing our jobs. if we were to 'kick out' every illegal immigrant, our economy would fail. why you ask? because of all the low-wage (non-livable, and under minimum wage), and generally shitty jobs us 'americans' are too lazy and 'upperclass' to do. i agree that we should tighten our policies, but we cannot tell millions of people to leave; they will have no where to go, and no money. not to mention the fact that their families back home may starve without the income being mailed in from america...

i thought it was interesting

Six times, jaysus that's a lot.


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well, if i had my way, cynthia mckinney would win. unfortunately, the green party isn't getting recognition from the general public anytime soon, so my personal choice is barack obama.
and honestly, we do need to crack down on illegal immigration. i'm not saying kick them all out, but we do need to start enforcing immigration laws.

^You're kidding, right? Cynthia McKinney is f**king crazy. Have you even read her platform? It's all about the advancement of African Americans, including reparations for slavery, and very little else.


http://www.ajc.com/search/content/news/sto...3/mckinney.html
(I think there was some sort of supplement to this article when I read it in the newspaper that I can't find now, but this will do)

also, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/March_29,_200...Police_Incident

The reason I wanted Cynthia McKinney to win is because I want the Green Party in office. I don't think McKinney is that crazy, per se, and yes, I've read about her positions. Quite frankly, pulling out of Iraq as soon as possible and fighting for human rights sounds great to me.

Green Party, in theory, fine. Cynthia McKinney has no business being president. Of course, even she recognizes that despite being a presidential nominee, her goal is not actually to become president...but still.

The Green Party only wants her for name recognition, not because reparations aren't ridiculous.

Barrack Obummer

LOLLL


He chooses his running mate this week. I shall discuss when it happens.

I would like to see Obama as President . One think US has been lacking these past 9 years is diplomatic finesse . Obama is more about dealing problems in a more diplomatic way in contrast to cowboy "let's have a war " Republicans .

Having a Republican in the executive branch doesn't seem all too bad right now. The Legislative branch is Democratic majority so McCain as a president seems like it could balance things out.

However, I think it's funny how the Republicans want to steadfastly stick to their fundamental ideals and principles. They attribute straying from real Republican ideals as the main reason why the Bush administration failed.

Since when did that really work for them? Which is why so many people like Obama. He might not seem like the most absolute candidate but he promises progress and change. Something that a lot of Americans would look forward to. We want to move forward and I think that's where McCain's downfall is. McCain is a strong candidate but if he follows his party, he might turn off a lot of voters that are hoping to see some reform/change in America.

Honestly, right now, personal opinions aside, i give it to McCain .. that's just how it's looking right now .

how does it look that way?


and don't forget to add in what happened on wall street yesterday, that isn't going to work in mccains favor either.

Saying "Fundamentally, the economy is in good shape" after the crisis that happened on wallstreet does not make the crisis go away. It makes me sad to say that Palin is probably helping McCain, because we all know that she doesn't have the best resume. And I don't like how she avoids interviews. She needs to connect with the people she is trying to gain votes from. And the parts her speeches that I've seen are the same typical Republican speeches. It's all stuff that we've too much of.

It's ridiculous how the republican campaign is acting. They're trying to focus all the attention away from the real issues and focus it on Sarah Palin to reel in voters. It's so awful. Obama isn't much of a change, but still at least he's not stooping to this nonsense or keeping the same failing economic plans. I want a president/VP where I can ask questions and receive legitimate answers.

Are people so dumb that they don't realize this country is starting to seriously slope downhill? Not only that, but they're so dumb that they actually believe that some no-creditability 2 year governor of Alaska is actually qualified to be vice president/president based on the fact she's "easy to relate to"? I realllyyy hope people start realizing these things soon.

exerpt from The Daily Show about Republican hypocrisy :D

^ yeah i made a topic on that, it cracks me up. it's my favorite clip of his. so damn ridiculous.

LOL. That was brilliant.

sarah palin is a pinhead

and obama is just soo experienced, right? he votes present on like all of the bills. why can't he actually have an opinion on something, instead of just passing his vote>?

as governor of a state that is filled with natural resources, palin has had the responsibility to deal with all of this. what is it exactly that makes you think she has no credibility?

Obama spent several years as both an Illinois state senator and a US senator. He also taught constitutional law at a university. I'd qualify that as experienced enough for me. Hell, the "instructor of constitutional law" is good enough for me.


Natural resources are all well and good, but that's hardly the only thing a politician must deal with. What about foreign policy? What's Palin's experience and stance on Iran? Iraq? Georgia? Russia? What about our current fiscal crisis? What's her experience with economics?