And McCain doesn't know the difference between Sunni and Shia, thinks that $5 million qualifies you as being above middle class (even if he was joking, that was highly inappropriate), doesn't know how many houses he has, voted against the MLK holiday, and chose a VP who doesn't know what a VP does, and laughs when people talk shit about her rivals.

Just completing your statement that they're both shit.


Not true. What about the ethics hearing Palin faces on the firing of her public safety commissioner? What about her support of the Bridge to Nowhere? And what about her claiming to be against pork-barrel spending but using earmarks to get $27 million for Wasila, a town of not even 7000 people?

Edit: There's a lot of shit they can call on her, it's all just a matter of time. She's only been in the national spotlight for 4 days.

Glad you agree.



Not true? You linked to the dirt yourself! You even acknowledged it as gossippy.

Sure, all of this other stuff is coming to light now, but what happened to reserving judgment UNTIL you find something valid to criticize her for?

Like I said, I am not voting for the McCain-Palin ticket, so please don't ask me to defend them since I don't like them either.

But to those supporting Obama, why are you so quick to say "BUT MCCAIN/PALIN DID THIS OR THAT!!!!" Why can't you defend your candidate? Are you hoping that by shifting the attention to the other candidate, people will forget their criticisms of Obama?

Oh well a blatant outright appeal to Hillary's vote base . However it sure has backfired and the republicans are losing the fight to define her .

Be that as it may, I was challenging your statement that that's the only thing they're attacking her on. Which it isn't. I know I posted a link to the dirt, but the article doesn't exactly "attack" Palin's daughter, more than it speaks to the suspicious nature of Palin's son's conception and subsequent birth, and therefore Palin's judgment. Bristol's current pregnancy obviously proves that she can't be her brother's mother, but if the rest of the facts are accurate, it's a very interesting and telling story.

Who are you voting for, btw? I'm curious.

Actually, the DailyKos got the date of the picture wrong as well, so no, the facts were not all accurate.

The only thing telling about the article was how much people love to jump on rumors about people they don't like.



Write in for Optimus Prime.

Which picture? And if people are jumping on a rumor about Sarah Palin, it's not people don't like her, it's that we don't know anything else about her to counter it =\ And McCain's choice of Palin does seem very reckless and irresponsible. Her own campaign can't even defend her =\


That would be awesome. Can you imagine how qualified he would be on issues of national security?

Umm you havnt given me anything to defend. If you supported mccain I could say why he's worse. But you're not saying anything. Im not supporting obama becuase he's the best candidate ever, its because he's the better candidate. You're not saying who I should vote for, only who I shouldn't. No he's not perfect but he's better than john mccain. The reason I said those things about mccain is because there are only two candidates. if you think both suck then choose the one that sucks less. Get it ? Two choices. 1 or the other. 2. Only 2. John mccain or barrack obama. I if it were up to me id put someone else in the office but I can't.

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hey, we haven't talked about Palin's ties to the Alaskan Party yet

The picture of her stomach that they used as "proof" she was pregnant with her brother.


Are you blind?

I told you to defend your choice in Obama. Instead of defending, you insist on attacking John McCain.

What are you saying here? "Oh, Barack Obama sucks, but at least he doesn't suck as much as John McCain!"

Getting punched in the face beats getting shot in the head, but would you be happy with getting punched in the face?

Voting for the lesser of two evils is still voting for evil.

No, we don't have only two choices. It's idiots like you that keep us stuck in a two party system. Vote your f**king conscience. But if you decide on someone to vote for, you better know WHY you're voting for that person, not why you're not voting for the others.

Just curious, with your infinite wisdom, if you were given the power to put anyone of your choice in office, who would put in office? You seem to know about all the candidates so I was wondering who is your top choice if you were the only voter.

Back on topic, Palin has a speech tonight I believe. I'm sure the people here have already decided they're going to hate it. I'll probably read a transcript because I really hate her voice.

lol. You can't defend obama when you have nothing to defend this is what you're doing.

ill give you an example because right now we are not debating or arguing we are just sharing opinions.

Ex.

You : obama sucks because he has no experience.

Me : he has enough experience.

Fin.

When it should be

You: mccain has more expierence, he's better.

Me: yeah well blah blah blah.

Your not giving me an argument your telling me to defend obama with no criteria what so ever.
Ok then.
1. He has nice hair
2. He has white teeth
3. He's black

we do only have two choices. America has made the presidential elections into a two party dictatorship or whatever you want to call it. Its almost impossible for others to get ballot access and raise enough money to run outside of the two parties. The only way is to use your own money (ross perot). If you seriosuly believe this can change with the few minority votes your being naive. You're telling me you would rather have mccain in office than vote for obama ? I don't see this as lesser of two evils. If obama is an "evil" than mccain is the devil himself. Btw jesse ventura for president.
Oh yeah, I can't vote yet.

You're either blind or stupid. Don't ignore my points and claim that I've made none. Let's start one by one, since I'm afraid your head will explode if I post a laundry list.

#Obama's capital gains/income tax problem.

This comes from Obama's speech where he accepted the nomination (you know, the one where people were too busy crying to actually dissect what he was saying). He claimed he was going to help small business owners by lowering capital gains tax. He also has said he would raise their income tax, but we are reassured that the decrease in income tax will counter the income tax raise because capital gains tax is a big part of income tax, right?

Wrong.

The problem is, capital gains rate for the tax bracket that most small businesses operate in are already 0%. You can't go lower than 0%. Well, you can, but you'd have to start writing checks, but why write checks if you're going to raise the income tax? Why not forget the tax raise in the first place?

Either Obama doesn't understand taxes, or he's intentionally trying to mislead the tax paying public.

OK, genius. Answer this one.



No, you fool. You disprove the absence of something by proving the presence of said thing.

Obama has less executive experience than Sarah Palin.

Now, tell me how this is an opinion.

Wait, don't tell me you don't know what an opinion is!



No, you're bitching because I'm not giving you a candidate to attack. See the beginning of my thread.



Awesome, you have no idea what you're talking about. Have you ever voted before? Do you even know what a ballot looks like? Or are you just some kid who's not even eligible to vote spouting off talking points from liberal blogs?

This so-called two party system is a de facto system, not de jure. Get out of the mindset that there are only two valid choices, and the two party system ceases to exist.



WRONG! There's public financing. Obama actually said he would use the public financing when it was convenient for him to say so, but once the money started rolling in, he took back his promise.



Spoken like a 14 year old who adopts strong political opinions to try to get people to think he's not politically apathetic, but doesn't do any thinking to back it up.





Yes, I would rather have McCain than Obama, just like how I would rather be punched in the face than shot in the head. But I wouldn't vote for McCain, just like how I wouldn't ask to get punched in the face.



So let me get this straight, you said there are only two parties, but you support someone who himself WON an election as a third party candidate?

Yep, you don't know what you're talking about



Well, that explains everything!

Thank God, we need less idiots voting.

What he said was he wouldn't want one of his girls to be punished with a child. You could right away interpret that to mean he would make them get an abortion, but it could also mean that he wouldn't want them to have unprotected sex and get pregnant in the first place, which is what I think he meant. He has said before that he would like to lower the amount of abortions in America without making it illegal.


Again, what he said exactly was "I've been to fifty... seven states". That could mean "I've been to 57 states" or he could've just been correcting himself in the middle and saying "I've been to 50... 7 states".


How often has that happened? Once? 20 years ago?

*fewer.

We need fewer idiots voting.

And your definition of idiocy is pretty idiosyncratic, I've come to notice.

I need less sleep / I need fewer sleep.

Nope. No grammar problems with that statement. As if that invalidates my points even if it was.



And your definition of idiocy is shallow and pedantic.

Yes, shallow AND pedantic!

Well, thanks for providing absolutely nothing of value to this conversation.



The purpose was to question the justification that abortions are OK because they destroy the fetus BEFORE it becomes human life. When asked when does human life begins, Obama couldn't answered it and dodged.




No, he acknowledged he made a mistake because he said he was tired. And if he said he's been to 7 states, he'd be wrong too.

Way to pull justifications out of your ass.



I f**ked your mom once, 20 years ago. You aren't still holding it against me are you?

*shrugs*

Had enough value to merit a response from you, whatever that indicates.

But don't double post.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=GbZJYWjkAPo Listen to the context, he's talking about contraception.


Whatever, so he was tired and accidentally said he'd been to 7 states. He still didn't say he thought for a minute there were 57 states.


Yeah, I'm sure the guy who said the quote felt like his mom had been f**ked when he found out Biden forgot to credit him once.

No, she was in support of the Bridge to Nowhere until the bill was already dead in the US Congress. And then she still kept the money for Alaska's public transportation fund. [Source]

btw who are you voting for ? write in for : jesus. LOL

Just watched her speech... All she has going for her is a bunch of catty insults and a picture perfect (ahem) family. She is not a Hillary.

She does not represent all women, she doesnt represent me thats for sure.

McCain is damaged, coming from attacking a "hockey mom", "nice person", and a pregnant 17-year old daughter will forever damage the Democratic party as it is expected they lack the backbone to do anything but apologize.

EDIT


Or it can give them the "spotlight" over Obama for the meantime

what the f**k are you talking about?

^^Acting like I know what I'm talking about..

Sara Palin's selection as John McCain's VP running mate is intended to end badly within the next two to three weeks as part of a devious Republican strategy.

Its been said that 12% of Hilary supporters are going to Vote for McCain now.

I don't understand those people. WTF is going through their minds?


Where you asleep when you wrote this? It makes no sense.