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Melie
post Aug 3 2008, 05:03 PM
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i was watching this show taboo on national geographic, and it was talking about the taboos of sex changes.

now, recently a pregnant man just gave birth to a little girl. (the man was born a woman, married another woman but because the wife had a hysterectomy, he was the one that carried and birthed the child).

how do you feel about their need to be accepted in society but still wanting to still conceive a child?

personally, i have a strong disagreement with this. if they want us to accept the fact that they changed their whole appearance and attitude then that i can do. but if a woman who changes into a man, still has her reproductive organs and then wants to conceive a child, i don't agree with. if you want us to accept you as a man, then that's what you are. but i will not accept you for being a woman, who wanted to be a man, and now wants to be a woman and conceive a child, then i feel that they should be a woman again. you can't have both worlds and expect society to accept you as who you are. unless you're a hermaphrodite.
 
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post Aug 4 2008, 03:47 PM
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post Aug 4 2008, 06:06 PM
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QUOTE(Sandraaa @ Aug 4 2008, 01:42 PM) *
Man, wtf? This is practically one of the worse comparaisons I've ever witnessed. If you're trying to point out discrimination, you should probably word it differently. Why not compare AIDS to homosexuality and slavery while you're at it?



Maybe I didn't make myself clear... So let me repeat for the last time...

This [[at least what I said]] is OVER...done...so GTFO my face...
 
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post Aug 4 2008, 06:20 PM
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I don't see why people are making it such a big deal about how this is the first man to give birth. I mean, he was born a woman and he still has his female reproductive systems...

But anyways, my take on this? I think it's totally normal. The couple wanted a child, and the only way to have one of their own was for the man to give birth! This is, in my opinion, no way disturbing or wrong. Sure if I saw a pregnant guy walking around, I'd probably be like WTH... but all in all, I think it's completely acceptable.






As for what AsH-lYnn said, I guess what she meant is that homosexuals today are facing discrimination somewhat like what black people had to face back then... but I do have to agree with what the others said. Like Sandra has already stated, it's a HORRIBLE comparison.

And please, don't make a bold statement and then just back out when others disagree. Stand up for and explain yourself. Geez.
 
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post Aug 4 2008, 06:38 PM
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It doesnt bother me at all.
Its their decision

Though society will always look at someone as being unperfect and that their decisions are utterly ridiculous when in reality that no one will ever be perfect and we have the freedom to do whatever i want.
 
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post Aug 4 2008, 08:58 PM
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QUOTE(AsH-lYnn @ Aug 4 2008, 03:29 PM) *
Personally I don't care and don't feel the need to judge.
Gay people[[including pregnant ones]] in this society are going
though the same thing black people went though back in the day.
It's really none of your concern as long as they never come in
contact with you. Just accept it because their going no where
and as society grows so will pregnant man. Just get over it.

``My Opinion``


im sorry but saying that gay people are going through what black people went through is NOT even true. what black people were banned from back in the day is COMPLETELY different. you could never compare those two.
 
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post Aug 5 2008, 05:36 AM
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QUOTE(AsH-lYnn @ Aug 5 2008, 01:06 AM) *
Maybe I didn't make myself clear... So let me repeat for the last time...

This [[at least what I said]] is OVER...done...so GTFO my face...

LOL.
 
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post Aug 5 2008, 05:40 AM
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lol @ all the people who are saying don't care because it doesn't hurt anyone.

Never complain about the KKK existing, because it really "doesn't affect anyone." Never laugh at a celebrity that says or something stupid, yet harmless. Never ever make a judgment about something someone says on the internet, because it doesn't really affect you anyway.

Grow a spine. You're not tolerant. Stop pretending to be.

In summary, chop up gays/transsexuals/etc. and feed them to the starving people in Africa.
 
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post Aug 5 2008, 08:42 AM
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yeah i don't care if some person i don't know had a baby, it happens everyday. i don't find myself being in "strong disagreement" with women having babies, even if they wanna pretend they're men before that.
 
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post Aug 5 2008, 09:54 AM
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you know, everyone says it doesn't matter but i bet if they were to actually see a man in person who is pregnant, they would more than likely have to tell a friend, talk about them, and even make fun of them. so, i think that something like this is definitely not something a person could just say, "it doesn't bother me" or "if that's what they wanna do then let them".

as a mother myself, it feel a little bit disheartened because at some point when that child grows up, they have a lot of explaining to do when the child asks why was daddy pregnant with them and not mommy.

a surrogate would've been more appropriate then bearing it himself. because of this, it caused publicity and when the child gets older, he/she will be known as the child who's daddy gave birth to.

but, that's just MY opinion.
 
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post Aug 5 2008, 09:55 AM
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QUOTE(Melie @ Aug 5 2008, 03:54 PM) *
you know, everyone says it doesn't matter but i bet if they were to actually see a man in person who is pregnant, they would more than likely have to tell a friend, talk about them, and even make fun of them. so, i think that something like this is definitely not something a person could just say, "it doesn't bother me" or "if that's what they wanna do then let them".

as a mother myself, it feel a little bit disheartened because at some point when that child grows up, they have a lot of explaining to do when the child asks why was daddy pregnant with them and not mommy.

a surrogate would've been more appropriate then bearing it himself. because of this, it caused publicity and when the child gets older, he/she will be known as the child who's daddy gave birth to.

but, that's just MY opinion.

Parents should never be afraid of having to explain something difficult to their child. That's what you're for.
 
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post Aug 5 2008, 09:58 AM
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QUOTE(The-March-Hare @ Aug 5 2008, 09:55 AM) *
Parents should never be afraid of having to explain something difficult to their child. That's what you're for.


^sometimes it's easier said than done. rolleyes.gif

i feel that the parent does have a lot to deal with because they have to explain something so serious that it will make it difficult for the child to understand. but of course get use to it. but i feel for the child because they are too young to understand the whole concept.
 
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post Aug 5 2008, 10:00 AM
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Still, just because it's not the most straightforward thing to explain doesn't make it bad.
 
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post Aug 5 2008, 10:14 AM
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^that's not what i said.
 
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post Aug 5 2008, 10:21 AM
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No, I understand. But the child being loved is far more important than the fact that it will have to wrap its head around something difficult.
 
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post Aug 5 2008, 10:36 AM
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QUOTE(Melie @ Aug 5 2008, 09:54 AM) *
you know, everyone says it doesn't matter but i bet if they were to actually see a man in person who is pregnant, they would more than likely have to tell a friend, talk about them, and even make fun of them. so, i think that something like this is definitely not something a person could just say, "it doesn't bother me" or "if that's what they wanna do then let them".


nah, i don't agree. if someone see's a pregnant dude, and they say something to a friend about seeing a pregnant dude...that is not the same thing as saying that you "strongly disagree" with it. you said that you personally have a strong disagreement with this, and i asked why you have that.
 
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QUOTE(Melie @ Aug 5 2008, 09:58 AM) *
i feel that the parent does have a lot to deal with because they have to explain something so serious that it will make it difficult for the child to understand. but of course get use to it. but i feel for the child because they are too young to understand the whole concept.

Then it is entirely up to the parent to decide when to divulge the whole concept. There are A LOT of subjects that are challenging to absorb as a child. Hell, there's a lot of sujbects that are challenging to absorb as an adult.

If it's something taboo to you, just admit that it's taboo to you. Don't use a child's well being as an excuse for your fear.

(I don't mean that in any type of harsh way)
 
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post Aug 5 2008, 12:31 PM
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Im very neutral about this
i think that it ones own opinion and if they choose that we should accept it
technicaly America is a "free" country, so there really is no law to stop this and we have all our own rights

look at the other transgender people. they are not "messed up" as some would say, because in the end they live happy knowing they are finally who they are from the inside
 
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post Aug 5 2008, 02:38 PM
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My views on this are that I don't quite see what the person is doing wrong. I think it's there decision and it might not matter to them if a random person watching TV thinks they are a man or not.
 
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QUOTE(brooklyneast05 @ Aug 5 2008, 10:36 AM) *
nah, i don't agree. if someone see's a pregnant dude, and they say something to a friend about seeing a pregnant dude...that is not the same thing as saying that you "strongly disagree" with it. you said that you personally have a strong disagreement with this, and i asked why you have that.


well, i am mother myself and also a catholic but my religion does NOT have an influence on this. i do admit though that there are some things that i do disagree with the catholicism and that is their view of homosexuals. i fully support gay marriages and their rights to be able to gain all of the responsibilities and benefits of being a couple.

in a whole, i'm very open-minded about a lot of things. but to have to accept someone as being both male and female because of their conflicting hormones that they inject in themselves and their feelings of who they really are isn't fair to those who are not like them. and then expect society to accept them this way, well then what are you? i mean, what would you mark as your sex on your driver's license? there's no both option there...it's either male or female.

how hard will it be for me to have to explain to my daughter why a man is pregnant. obviously i'll have to tell her a little white lie and say that it is a very HUGE beer gut. but what about her?
 
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post Aug 5 2008, 07:37 PM
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You think she cares that a man is pregnant?
God forbid, the inhumanity!
 
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post Aug 5 2008, 08:31 PM
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QUOTE(Melie @ Aug 5 2008, 07:22 PM) *
well, i am mother myself and also a catholic but my religion does NOT have an influence on this. i do admit though that there are some things that i do disagree with the catholicism and that is their view of homosexuals. i fully support gay marriages and their rights to be able to gain all of the responsibilities and benefits of being a couple.

in a whole, i'm very open-minded about a lot of things. but to have to accept someone as being both male and female because of their conflicting hormones that they inject in themselves and their feelings of who they really are isn't fair to those who are not like them. and then expect society to accept them this way, well then what are you? i mean, what would you mark as your sex on your driver's license? there's no both option there...it's either male or female.

how hard will it be for me to have to explain to my daughter why a man is pregnant. obviously i'll have to tell her a little white lie and say that it is a very HUGE beer gut. but what about her?


hey guess what, i bet they don't f**king care about how hard it is for you to talk to your kid. why the f**k should someone NOT do something they want just because some mother somewhere might have to explain something to their kid?

you don't have to accept them as anything, because your acceptance doesn't matter probably. i highly doubt people who do that expect to be accepted 100% by society. you don't think it's fair to people who aren't like them, but i doubt they think it's fair that they should have to be any certain way for some people they don't know and aren't bothering.
 
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QUOTE(brooklyneast05 @ Aug 5 2008, 08:31 PM) *
hey guess what, i bet they don't f**king care about how hard it is for you to talk to your kid. why the f**k should someone NOT do something they want just because some mother somewhere might have to explain something to their kid?

you don't have to accept them as anything, because your acceptance doesn't matter probably. i highly doubt people who do that expect to be accepted 100% by society. you don't think it's fair to people who aren't like them, but i doubt they think it's fair that they should have to be any certain way for some people they don't know and aren't bothering.


i hope that my opinion isn't offending you or any one in any way. but after all, it is MY opinion. no one has to agree but everyone is entitled to one.
 
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no shit
 
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post Aug 5 2008, 10:22 PM
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how can you support gay marriages, but object to the fact that 2 women, one of whom has decided to become a woman, are having a kid?
 

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