okay so i submitted this layout called Perception like a week ago,
http://www.createblog.com/layouts/preview.php?id=27476 that. so i had to resubmit it only for the fact that I was blocking the ad then I resubmitted it showing the ad, then today someone rejects it again, but this time its a different person on the design staff, Im outraged not because of the fact that it was rejected but im outraged at why it was rejected and when it was rejected again, so highway4355 accepted the layout and out of all my submissions, this one got the most fave and the best feedback from the community, then another design mod rejects it saying that the layout looks dirty [THATS THE WHOLE POINT OF THE LAYOUT!!] I WAS GOING FOR A DIRTY GRUNGE FEEL, and Im mad that it got rejected A WEEK LATER, not even a day or 2 days a whole WEEK and a couple extra days [I THINK]it got over 80 faves the first 2 days, that more then those other accepted layouts I see, I personally thought for a few days that the standards were going down because some of the ones that I see are getting accepted are ridiculous, you can tell the CSS was stolen an tweaked. Anyway I think that the design staff is really unorganized and often to many times RUDE. thanks for reading.

I have to be honest here, I probably would have rejected it as well. I'm not sure I would have used the word "dirty", but I think that the layout as a whole is definitely messy looking. The TV thing in the middle looks neat, but my eyes have no idea where to focus. The brush you used on the picture (one of the brushes you used) looks like a quasi shadow, since the opacity is low and it's covering part of his nose. It just looks strange to me. The composition is overall schizophrenic.

I'm not saying that you need to abide by a strict rule of thirds, but there should be some type of graphic harmony in a layout, especially a div.

I'm sorry if that isn't what you want to hear, but I wouldn't feel right responding with a less than honest response.

I would have been inclined to point these things out to you in addition to pointing out the blocked ad. That being said, you have different human beings reviewing submissions and while we try to keep a standard, there are varying opinions and sometimes one would be more apt to reject or accept a submission than another.

As far as "rude", is there something specific someone said or didn't say? Because overall, I find the DS pleasant.

i understand my layout might have looked chaotic but this is site where 15 year old kids come to find layouts, not adults and our generation has varying styles from the adults and we dont like harmony, the thing is out of all my submissions, that had the most faves in the shortest amount of time, I think createblogs way of rejecting layouts should be different. What so I propose? well I say that only the mod who accepted the layout can reject it later and like you said everyones opinions different then I dont understand why i have to follow the opinions of the minority just because you guys are "staff" here.

get rid of the tv thing, and that layout is actually pretty good. way better than lots of layouts i see that got accepted. so take my advice here kevin and take that tv image off, and you got a great layout.

really? some people actually like the tv, but even if i take the tv off it not like its going to get accepted again, thank you tungster:]

this proves my point, not everyone dosent like my style.

Ok, well I totally understand how your opinion of what should be accepted can be different than what a submission reviewer might think, but it's their job to review submissions and unfortunately, not everything will be accepted. I'm not saying that they (or myself) are always right, because certainly we're not.

Don't take it personally, please don't take it personally. I'm not saying that your "style" is wrong, I'm saying that your layout looks messy.

I'll tell you what I'll do, I'm going to point out this thread to make sure that everyone on Design Staff sees it. If there's an overall consensus to have it be reconsidered, then that's totally cool. I'm not trying to be mean, I swear.

I understand where you're coming from and since Reb (superstitious) has pretty much said it all, I'm just going to add that the staff was chosen because of their trusted ability to be able to evaluate which layouts are suitable by cB's standards and which aren't. They're basically trying to uphold what they think are the standards of cB as a whole, and if you don't agree with what those standards are, you could change your layouts to suit those standards, or submit your layouts to another place you deem more appropriate for your creations.


and yeah, I'm with Tung on the television. If you're going for a chaotic effect, for aesthetic reasons it should still be well thought out and have somewhat of a structure; you can't just throw together a bunch of random things--sure it's chaotic but it's also aesthetically unpleasing. ( and yes, we coouuuld argue about what constitutes as aesthetically unpleasing and whether or not my opinion even matters, but that won't really get us anywhere as I'm just trying to help you out here) So either remove the television, or find a way to truly let it mesh in with the rest of the layout. At the moment, it stands out like a sore thumb and just gives a "what is it doing there" vibe.

on its own, the tv is cool, it's just out of place there (imo)

yes, thanks for understanding, I just thought it was ridiculous because I have never had a layout with so much positive feedback and then the mod tells me that the layout looks too cluttered, but personlaay i like messy but thanks for the understanding, I've had plenty of submissions that were rejected again after acception, its just now it gets on my nerves that other people besides the ones who accpeted it are rejecting it.

No worries at all. I totally understand that it's frustrating to be told to resubmit something, change what you were told to change and resubmit, just to have it rejected.

The DS are very approachable, in my opinion. Perhaps PM them next time? Especially if you're just confused (as well as frustrated) as to why, when you felt that you were just resubmitting because of a technicality (covering an ad). You can also PM an HS or Admin since we can view the queue, including rejected submissions as well. =)

thank you, i actually have ideas of what the new restrictions for design staff should be, but I will point those out later after the DS has seen this thread.

I rejected it, or well Thomas did. But I had a position switch and I was helping him out. I thought it needed to be, and I gave a very very detailed explanation as to why it was rejected. The image quality is very poor, and you used a bunch of brushes. Some that are just plain shapes and then some are really distorted. I apologized in the letter, and I will apologize again that your layout was rejected after it was accepted. To be honest, it has happened a lot to people recently, we have new design staff, and they aren't quite up to the standards quite yet. We are having a training soon, and I do apologize for the inconvenience that it may have caused you.


PS - I agree with Tung (I believe was the one that said this). The TV at the bottom should be removed. It doesn't even really fit from the looks of it. It just looks like you thought it was neat and slapped it up there.

PSS - Also I don't think that we are rude, I just don't think everyone is open to constructive criticism. We aren't here to tear you down and tell you to fix all these things and what you should do to improve, we're helping you.

no, I understand that, i have had plenty of layouts rejected after exceoption and I dont care about that, it just the lack of organization from the design staff, if one person on the design staff accpets a layout it should just stay that way because clearly one person thought it was okay, and by the end of the week the layout will probably be in page 30 or something anyway, also my layout had over 60 some faves in the first 2 days alone, clearly that shows people dont care about the image quality or brushes [plus, it my style]. Heres what I suppose because I know a lot of people have the same complaints as I do but i will be the first one with the balls to do this.

Heres my proposal on the new policy for design staff:
1] If a layout was accepted then dont reject it again, why? because the submission standards should have been high before the layout was accepted, afterall its called submission standards not accept then reject standards.

2.] I usually never resubmit a rejected layout, I only resubmit only for legitimate reason and why did i resubmit? because the only thing the Design staff told me to fix was the blocking of the ad, which i later fixed. Just because some of the design staff's criteria wasnt meant dosent mean that it should be rejected, afterall isnt that why there are multiple people working on design staff, so that everyones working together? I dont really see the team work in one person accepting then another rejecting.

3.] I personally thought the image quality was good and so did 60+ other people, also I am aware that the design staff is new at this but I seriously dont think a layout should be accepted for a week anhd all of a sudden be rejected, its just not logical.

4.]if you think that the first standard is too hard then here is another proposal, only the person who accepted the layout may reject it later, thats the only logical case, just becuase some persons opinion is different dosent mean you should be biased, also wouldnt that be disrespecting the moderator who accepted it anyway?

5.] also did you get any complaints from my layout? because personally i didnt so I dont understand why it was rejected. Many people loved it and even if they didnt then people would have just skipped my layout and would have moved on,

6.] bottom line, the design staff is way to unorganized and even if your training a designer there should not be any offenses to a member designer, but clearly Iam offended by your actions on design staff, because I think your operating system is unorgranized and bias on a certain level. i'm not going to resubmit becuaser your rejection was an illegitimate reason in my case, but instead I hope design staff has some changes after this thread, because it would be completely ridiculous for there to be no changes.

We can't really say people loved it based on favorites, hey we've had layouts that had over 200-300 favorites and we rejected it.

Like I said, we have new staff. They aren't use to the standards yet, its going to take some adjusting. You're suggestion of making the staff member that accepted, to reject the layout later is fine. We actually already have this rule, but considering the layouts that were rejected recently were from the new staff, I took the time to go ahead and reject them and give full explanations as to why they were rejected.


Also we have standards here, we aren't being picky about personal design preferences. We are simply basing our rejection letters by the guidelines and requirements that are set. Also being on design staff, I believe that we all know what looks good and appealing to the eye. And what shouldn't be in some places. As I said before, we aren't here to be mean or rude or make you upset. We are just trying to help you make a great submission.

its okay, im over it, but if there is such a guidline how come some design staffers and head staff rejected my layout after it has been accepted? they were different mods too.

p.s. just take what I have to say into consideration about layouts or any other submission being accepted then rejected because I find it completely useless effort because by the end of the first day my layouts always end up in page 5 or something anyway and the people who contribute to the community dont really find it appealing, afterall this is a community and if design staff or any other staff do not take what I have to say into consideration, then whats the real meaning of community? right?

Haha, we don't accept that many layouts for your layout to end up on page 5, unless I just have it set to view more layouts per page or something.

Eventually we'll get in the swing of things, and of course we'll take what you said into consideration. We should be having the training soon enough and after that I think we'll be good. And if a layout was later rejected by someone when it was originally accepted by someone new in the queue, then thats fine. If other than that, I'm sorry.

just a bit of constructive feedback:
i happen to love the layout, if you were to do a couple of minor tweaks to it. there's a little too much white space at the top, and a tad pointless to scroll down to view all the content. if you could chop off until just above the "home" link, it would feel a little more "homely."

also, try moving the links so they're right next to the advertisement (falling below it, of course).

there's one thing i find i really don't like about some layouts. that's the scroll bar in a div. maybe if you could have the "about me" box be elastic and conform to how much a person writes? maybe you could move that below the ad, to the direct left of the links. if it scrolls past the page because of how much is written, you could put a grungy background on the sides.

finally, the tv is cool, but it doesn't go very well with the theme. i'd save it for another one - it's an awesome idea.

thank you, this was actually an experiment more than a really submitted layout the white space was because the layout was small, I liked thr idea of having a layout fill the entire page, but after I saw it on myspace I didnt like how it turned out and I added more white space, and I agree I dont really like the scrollbars in divs either but it was too hard to change later and I agree the tv is out of place, but remember this is an experiment of a new grungy style because I have seen this kid of style a lot, but Im open to contructive criticism, :] thannks grrdesign;]

Alright, well you said that you were over this. So would you like me to close and resolve this.

Or do you consider this resolved?



..edit... lol I can't close it but someone will XD

lol sure this can be closed now, but why cant you close it? just wondering:]

=)

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