Wrong.

The first link is about if God is real or not. It has nothing to do with heaven or hell. It might relate somewhat, but it's a big difference for it to have a topic to itself

Second link talks about where do you go after you die? This topic is about how to get to heaven when you die. The other topic could discuss things about other possibilities besides heaven. So it's two distinct topics

Third link talks about the religion Christianity and him explaining it to people. It doesn't necessarily have to be all about heaven questions.

Okay.

^right, this thread is simply only about how to get to heaven. It derailed into a debate over Christianity just like all the other threads, with the exception that there is a brutal bashing of the OP in this one.

brutal bashing? is that the same as earlier when there was supposedly "christian hate", yet nobody seemed be able to come up with some examples for us of how there was hate?

Ugh. Both were disgusting.. ;(

"Brutal bashing" is a phrase. An expression. It is also an exaggeration. When I say "You're as red as a tomato", I don't mean you are literally... you get my point.

You really have it in for me huh? Doing everything you can to find even the slightest discrepancy in my posts.

no, i just think it's annoying that you exaggerate things out of proportion and act like some big injustice is being done here. not just you, but anyone who comes in here and talks about brutal bashing and christian hate when there isn't really any of it in here. it leads new readers of this thread to think that's what's going on.

Ditto.

And a couple of people in debate (though they were young) have accused me of being "hateful" towards Christians before. I promise that was as tolerable as they were to a person of a different faith. So, this is a sensitive subject for me when I'm, or anyone for that matter, is being accused (even in exaggeration) of being hateful of another person for their religious devotions.

It's not right, and there's no evidence supporting it, but people will believe what they read in a couple of posts and go along with the all the zeal.

If someone threatened my life right now with a shot gun to my head, I'd ask them to pull the trigger... why? Cuz I'm pretty much happy, plus they'd be doin me a favor taken me out of this struggle in life (life is a struggle...) on top of that I followed the Laws of God, so the day I die, I'll die with a smile on my face... cuz I'm finally free :D (No Emo)

If life is a struggle and you want to end it, aren't you running away from obstacles that God blessed you with so that you can grow and mature? Struggles are meant to be overcome. Good triumphs over Evil not by being idle or quitting, don't you know?

I wanna know your take on this.

Science and the bible:

http://www.clarifyingchristianity.com/science.shtml

i heard you're going to hell, is that true?

Wouldn't asking them to pull the trigger be your influence on taking the easy way out of life? Couldn't that deem you a quitter or cheat?

if you believe in God and Jesus and that you are going to heaven cool, if you don't its whatever. God or to some people "science" gave you a mind and emotions and the free will to do what pleases you most. He won't hate you for not believing, you simply wont go to heaven...I'm a christian so thats what i believe in. I have friends that don't believe in God, friends that are confused about it, friends that believe in different religions and have their own beliefs, but i don't judge them, i respect them. if my beliefs differ from a persons its just something i wont disscuss. theres always gna be people that believe in something someone else doesnt. I see nothing wrong with this guys posting this because its what he believes in. if its something you don't believe in say why without bashing it. the most ignorant people are the ones that don't believe in anything at all and then they always find reasons in which other people shouldnt believe either...and half the time they say the most ignorant things. if you believe God is a magical unicorn that lives on Pluto i'll respect you for that because its what you believe in...thow i dont feel the same i'm not going to say hey your dumb. I don't know. I just think that if your going to have a debate about God at least repect it in an adult matter.

Your life and the sins and good you've done is just between you and God. God is the only person who can judge you. All your life you can act all goody and pretending you go to church, like you really give a damn but in the end God knows the truth and what's in your heart.

Mind Closed

that's ridiculous. why on earth would you want to make something respectable just because it's a belief? what if they decide their magical unicorn on pluto is telling them that they need to blow themselves and thousands of other people up? what if they believe that everyone who doesn't wanna take a ride on the magical unicorn should be killed? are you still gonna respect their belief then?

Everyone says something different so f**k it, i go wherever the f**k i wanna go when i die.

Maybe ill go bother my second grade teacher Mrs.Dernis, or maybe ill sit on a beach in fiji, who the f**k cares where you go when you die, stop thinking about that man just live your damn life the way you want after all i believe life is the journey where ever it is were ALL going.

Some people just get there sooner than others.

Link to a guy who says he went to hell and back.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5...h&plindex=0

will you marry me?

You believe in Heaven? I don't.

Oh for the love of God, just stop talking. You're giving a bad name to people who believe in God. Honestly. I believe in God. It's a huge part of my life. But it's nothing cliche and taped together like your little attempt to convert people to Christianity via createBlog. Seriously, if you want to prove that there is a God, go completely change someone's life.

Did Jesus go around being like, "hey, if you guys don't worship me you're going to hell?" Uh. NO. I'm pretty sure he walked around, befriending and loving the people who sinned against him. Honestly. Change your tactics, kid. 'Cause you're just turning even more people off to the possibity.

You've totally made this topic a joke. Thanks for that.

Well, I know one way that's certain.

Sacrafice your life for someone else and you get an automatic ticket.

It's an option for those who want to commit suicide.

Just throw someone in the middle of a road. When the car's close enough, run into the street and push your victim out of the way and your hit.

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Now that I think about it, you can't play God.

However alleviating it may be to take refuge in after-life insurance through religion has no bearing on whether or not it's actually true.

Whatever happened to good old argumentation? Do 'warm and fuzzy' really mean that much to you?

He or she might be trying to convince from fear, but all you're doing is trying to convince us through compassion - neither "tactic" is very deductive. No matter how you cut the cake, you're still arguing from emotionalism - how can you expect us to believe when you can't demonstrate to us your points plainly or clearly? This is the debate forum, not the "I have feelings" forum.

P.S. If the "you're going to hell otherwise" line of reasoning makes Christians look bad, why do you make it seem like it does so only when you vocalize it? It's not like non-believers are utterly oblivious to Christian theology. The eternal suffering thing sort of is a reality, according to most denominations. And, whether you say it or not, it still kind of makes you all a huge joke.

why, everything seems so hard just to go to heaven. and we dont even know for sure there is one.

let me just dont give a shit and do whatever.


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oh and, when i think about it, i can do whatever the hell i want, steal, mob, kill, and just before i die, realize all my wrong doings, and say what was up there, then i'll go straight to heaven. damn, that's pretty easy mate.