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The Never Ending Debate on Prostitution |
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1. Regular prostitutes
2. Tax them 3. Reduce pimpin violence 4. People do it anyways, legal or not 5. You don't have to engage in it, so f**k your morals and beliefs |
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Uh no. You can't "tax" prostitution. Sorry.
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You can if it becomes a legal business.
Dutch authorities treat prostitutes as independent entrepreneurs. Working girls (or boys for that matter) have to submit the income tax declaration and pay taxes. Amazingly, in 2007 the judge decided that the VAT which strip dancers have to add to the bill for their performances should be not as on other services - 19%, but lower - the same as on art and artistic performances – 6%.
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Dutch authorities treat prostitutes as independent entrepreneurs. Working girls (or boys for that matter) have to submit the income tax declaration and pay taxes. Amazingly, in 2007 the judge decided that the VAT which strip dancers have to add to the bill for their performances should be not as on other services - 19%, but lower - the same as on art and artistic performances – 6%. Right... because people want to be taxed for making money off their body? Do you honestly believe that the prostitutes themselves will conform to this taxation? C'mon man =\ It's one of the reasons why marijuana will never be legalized and taxed. It's uncontrollable. |
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Legalized marijuana would be fine. People are lazy, and would rather buy from a pharmacy instead of buying from someone who they can get arrested for dealing w/. Besides, prostitutes don't get most of the money they earn, their pimp does (Assuming they have a pimp). Prostitutes get abused by their buyer and their pimp, and I think they'd gladly pay taxes when they're earning 5 times what they were before.
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I'm against prostitution but for legalizing it. That might seem contradictory but I think it should be legalized mainly in order to offer some protection and wellbeing for the women involved. Women prostitutes get used and abused all the time. I think that regulating this would rid of this problem, maybe not fully, but at least to an extent where prostitutes can have some protection. This would also change the way prostitution is handled. Instead of trashy women who are putting themselves in danger, a prostitute could be more high-end and have the ability to pick their clients, instead of being forced. Also, many prostitutes probably contract diseases because of the unhealthy way they work and their poor work conditions. This could be fixed by health codes. Besides that, prostitution makes large sums of money, money that the government could tax. Obviously sex sells in any form. Why not have our country benefit from this money?
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i say legalize it. it's gonna happen regardless of if it's legal or illegal so i agree with the others, at least this way there can be some kind kind of rules or regulations.
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if the bitchez costs 2 dolla dolla bill everybody will supa happy
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i think if they're gonna legalize it then give them medical coverage too. god knows what they can get from their customers and pass on.
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Legalized marijuana would be fine. People are lazy, and would rather buy from a pharmacy instead of buying from someone who they can get arrested for dealing w/. Besides, prostitutes don't get most of the money they earn, their pimp does (Assuming they have a pimp). Prostitutes get abused by their buyer and their pimp, and I think they'd gladly pay taxes when they're earning 5 times what they were before. Not only would it be impossible to tax prostitution... but legalizing that alone would cause even more divorces, more futures of children destroyed, more broken families =\ i think if they're gonna legalize it then give them medical coverage too. god knows what they can get from their customers and pass on. Nah because that would be a big liability. Plus it would become an epidemic beyond belief. |
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but legalizing that alone would cause even more divorces, more futures of children destroyed, more broken families =\ Honestly, people are going to get divorces regardless, there are going to be broken families no matter what. I don't really think that prostitution would have much of an effect on this. Besides, prostitution is around right now anyway. Also, if a couple gets a divorce because the husband or wife cheated on the other by means of prostitution, then there is clearly an underlying problem within that couple and the person who cheated. Again, people CHOOSE to engage in prostitution, so it would be that person's morals or whatever that would and should be judged if they engage in it when they have commitments to another. I don't think prostitution would be a reason for there to be an increase in divorces or broken families. IMO the person's character/morals/beliefs (or lack thereof) are really what is the root problem in divorces and broken families. How would it become an epidemic? If there were health codes put in place, then in theory, then the spread and contracting of diseases should decrease. Then those that are already in prostitution could maybe be treated for whatever they might already have or they would be "fired" from their job. |
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Im all for it if these hoes get free AIDS test and STD tests for doing this.
I know that sounds stupid but I mean if it was to be legalized at least offer them some sort of discount on it. |
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isn't prostitution the reason why the NY gov resigned anyway?
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Honestly, people are going to get divorces regardless, there are going to be broken families no matter what. I don't really think that prostitution would have much of an effect on this. Besides, prostitution is around right now anyway. Also, if a couple gets a divorce because the husband or wife cheated on the other by means of prostitution, then there is clearly an underlying problem within that couple and the person who cheated. Again, people CHOOSE to engage in prostitution, so it would be that person's morals or whatever that would and should be judged if they engage in it when they have commitments to another. How would it become an epidemic? If there were health codes put in place, then in theory, then the spread and contracting of diseases should decrease. Then those that are already in prostitution could maybe be treated for whatever they might already have or they would be "fired" from their job. I know prostitution has always existed... all I'm implying is, the numbers of divorces alone in a time period of a year would rise even more. Legalizing or making it easier access to getting laid when your woman is out of town, or she's on her period, or assume she's cheating would only cause a problem that could have been avoided. But because the man thinks with his penis, he figures, "well shit... the only way my woman's gonna find out that I'm sleepin around is either A. evidence on my body or B. someone witnessed it and told her, like the police would when you're involved in prostitution". But because it's now legal, shit no one's gonna tell my lady, and if she questions it, I'll just simply deny it. Plus do you know the rise of STDs?... lol Cheese dick, cheese clit, drip dick, drip clit... ugh. As to how it would become an epidemic? With prostitution (and I gotta find this government site so I can back this up) it is known that men tend to lean towards "raw/unprotected sex" I'm not saying all prostitutes have STDs but some do and some will. Same with men who are looking for a few minutes/hour of fun, they might have STDs or even HIV but who's to stop them? The woman wants money like the man wants pussy. It's mutual. Over all... prostitution would increase, because of it being legalized. Women will be more opened to prostitution just like college females who are more opened to strip clubs to make their tuition. If prostitution increases, it would increase unwanted children being brought into this world, along with an increase of diseases. I find it great that women find it ok to legalize prostitution lol (strong sarcasm). How bout someone here who wants to legalize it, go out and look for prostitutes and ask them yourselves if they would agree to legalizing and taxing prostitution. Also if you believe in legalizing prostitution, then I believe in disclosing people's STD/HIV information to the public via database. No more privatizing people's conditions. |
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Wow, I was going to make a topic about this Steven but you beat me to it. Was just learning about this in lecture last week. Anyways. I think what Chrissy said sums up where I stand on this.
Plus do you know the rise of STDs?... lol Cheese dick, cheese clit, drip dick, drip clit... ugh. As to how it would become an epidemic? With prostitution (and I gotta find this government site so I can back this up) it is known that men tend to lean towards "raw/unprotected sex" I'm not saying all prostitutes have STDs but some do and some will. Same with men who are looking for a few minutes/hour of fun, they might have STDs or even HIV but who's to stop them? The woman wants money like the man wants pussy. It's mutual. That's why it is better to legalize so we can regulate the Prostitute Business. The client and clientèle will have AID/STD checkups daily. I mean, if we don't legalize this, prostitution will still occur no matter what, and they are higher at risks for STDs because they either don't know it, or they don't care because nobody will know. Regulating the clients will make prostitution more "cleaner". I know prostitution has always existed... all I'm implying is, the numbers of divorces alone in a time period of a year would rise even more. Legalizing or making it easier access to getting laid when your woman is out of town, or she's on her period, or assume she's cheating would only cause a problem that could have been avoided. I don't think it would make it easier access. I mean regardless, go to the slums or downtown. There's clients all over the streets just waiting for customers. How is that not easier access than say to regulate prostitution? Also taxing prostitutes, would be very beneficial economically wise. There are some cities who legalize it and tax on it already, and it has helped them economically. You might say, yes prostitutes wouldn't want a share of their earnings to go to the government, but legalizing it would make it a very safer and better condition for them to work in. They get to be more professional about it, and they would get to pick their customers through a full checkup. It would decrease the number of pimps and the violence that goes around in the Prostitution business. Overall, I see some of the drawbacks, but there are way more benefits to legalizing it. |
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As I stated before, then there is clearly an underlying problem within that couple and the person who uses prostitution as a means of cheating has their character at the root of the problem. People cheat regardless. Just because there is an easier way to do so and the temptation increases, does that mean that everyone needs to be weak-minded and engage in it? No. It has nothing to do with prostitution but the way America (at least IMO and I can't speak for other places since I've only ever lived here) is progressing. People are becoming desensitized and succumb to their temptations more often.
You keep mentioning this epidemic and rise in STDs. That is why I stated that it's necessary to have health code regulations in place. If the man wants unprotected sex, then he is denied a prostitute. It's not as if you'd just legalize prostitution and let it be. You would have to set up rules and regulations. Maybe the client already has an STD. Well why can't we set up a regulation where the client must be tested BEFORE they are allowed to engage in anything? Sure, it might be another hassle and I'm sure tons of people won't want to do it. Then tough shit, they can't engage in it. If it shows up they have something then they can't engage in it. Also pregnancy is the risk that prostitutes would have to take - if it was legalized then they would know what they are getting themselves into. I'm not saying that it's going to be perfect if legalized, because of course people are going to try to bend the rules and find loopholes, as they always do. If prostitution is regulated and legalized then women probably wouldn't feel the need to take EVERY single man that wants to have sex with them. Like I said in my earlier post, they could pick and choose their clients. I mean whose to say these prostitutes won't just work certain hours on certain days and maybe pick up another job. I don't think it's necessary to group all the women prostitutes together and say they are money hungry. Some are forced to do this, some do this because they feel like they have nothing else going for them...I mean there are plenty of different reasons. Also, YES if prostitution is the job they choose to have then yes I do agree with you about (somewhat) publicizing their STD information. I mean don't people get drug tests for a job? Sure, that information isn't exactly disclosed to the public; however it does determine whether or not they get the job, etc. The same procedure can be done for prostitution. Also, I'm pretty sure there aren't many procedures you need to go through in order to work at a strip club, although I wouldn't know for sure. Prostitution doesn't need to be an easy job to get into, and in that case, probably wouldn't increase. Also, if you work as a stripper what dangers are you putting on yourself? Are you risking pregnancy? No. I'm sure there are women that wouldn't want to even risk that they could possibly get pregnant and would rather engage in stripping at some club. |
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That's why it is better to legalize so we can regulate the Prostitute Business. The client and clientèle will have AID/STD checkups daily. I mean, if we don't legalize this, prostitution will still occur no matter what, and they are higher at risks for STDs because they either don't know it, or they don't care because nobody will know. Regulating the clients will make prostitution more "cleaner". So basically you want the government to spend more money than it would receive in order for prostitution to be clean, legitimate, and anti-viral? And I agree even if it wasn't legalized, prostitution is gonna exist. QUOTE I don't think it would make it easier access. I mean regardless, go to the slums or downtown. There's clients all over the streets just waiting for customers. How is that not easier access than say to regulate prostitution? I think it would. Easier access because people don't have to go through a mission just to talk to the prostitute to begin with. There's no worrying about under cover female cops just waitin for you to say, "how much" just to bust you and put a nasty mark on your background. It's also easier access because if it becomes legal, it won't only exist in slums. It'll exist in any part of the country. Whether it's in high class towns, middle class, or low class. It'll be legal to exist just about anywhere. Bowling allies, clubs, bars, disney world lol... QUOTE Also taxing prostitutes, would be very beneficial economically wise. There are some cities who legalize it and tax on it already, and it has helped them economically. You might say, yes prostitutes wouldn't want a share of their earnings to go to the government, but legalizing it would make it a very safer and better condition for them to work in. Can you give me your source? Only place that I know of where prostitution is legal and taxed, is in Europe, well Germany. And it's not the "per sale" that's being taxed, it's the "property" tax in which houses the prostitution. On top of that, the legalization of prostitution is actually causing problems in parts of Europe, in terms of politics, they thought the people wanted legalized prostitution, but it looks like the people want it unlegalized. Guys, the argument that not only legalizing but making people who are involved with prostitution (women and men) get tested for STDs and HIV is just ridiculous. If you were to make every employee and customer get a 100% analytical STD/HIV test done, it would cost about $3000 per head, depending the location of course. A prostitute or a company of prostitutes is not gonna charge some loser from the slums over $3000 just for some damn head. Keep in mind that this business has to pay bills, taxes, and it's employees, while also payin for every drug test on every single employee (prostitute) and client. lol |
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Can you give me your source? Only place that I know of where prostitution is legal and taxed, is in Europe, well Germany. And it's not the "per sale" that's being taxed, it's the "property" tax in which houses the prostitution. On top of that, the legalization of prostitution is actually causing problems in parts of Europe, in terms of politics, they thought the people wanted legalized prostitution, but it looks like the people want it unlegalized. There's only a couple of states, and Nevada is one of them. There are brothel houses, and they are legalized and regulated extremely. These prositutes are consider independent contractors, meaning that they don't get the label as being unemployed, or retired. Therefore, they are required to file tax to the IRS. It's actually been studied that ever since 1986, which was when they actually started having a mandatory testing of HIV/STDS before being employed by the brothel, there was not even one single brothel house that tested positive. Then two years later of course, they had another law that required you to wear condoms, and the use of condoms were very consistent and STDS were absent. |
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Only place that I know of where prostitution is legal and taxed, is in Europe, well Germany. And it's not the "per sale" that's being taxed, it's the "property" tax in which houses the prostitution. On top of that, the legalization of prostitution is actually causing problems in parts of Europe, in terms of politics, they thought the people wanted legalized prostitution, but it looks like the people want it unlegalized. Can you give me your source for that? I'm not trying to be a smart-ass about it, but I'd really like to see.In response to your edit, I'd also like to see where you got these figures. I always assumed that STD testing WASN'T that expensive. I mean planned-parenthood does those kinds of things at a low cost. Am I misinformed or are we talking about two different things? Also, you say prostitution will increase - do you mean employment-wise, client-wise, or both? I don't really see why it would have a huge increase in either area, but I've already stated my reasons why earlier so I won't reiterate. Also, all companies that require drug testing have to deal with paying the bills, taxes, employees, and tests themselves. If other companies do, why can't prostitution, especially if (as you say) it will greatly increase? |
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Can you give me your source for that? I'm not trying to be a smart-ass about it, but I'd really like to see. http://www.nationalreview.com/hughes/hughes200405110833.asp Check this article out. In response to your edit, I'd also like to see where you got these figures? I always assumed that STD testing WASN'T that expensive. I mean planned-parenthood does those kinds of things at a low cost. Am I misinformed or are we talking about two different things? Also, you say prostitution will increase - do you mean employment-wise, client-wise, or both? I don't really see why it would have a huge increase in either area, but I've already stated my reasons why earlier so I won't reiterate. Also, all companies that require drug testing has to deal with paying the bills, taxes, employees, and tests themselves. If other companies, why can't prostitution, especially if (as you say) it will greatly increase? "planned-parenthood" that's all you had to say. Right now, go to a clinic and ask for a full analytical STD/HIV test (full analytical STD/HIV test, is basically someone testing you thoroughly against every possible STD and HIV. There's no program out there that will give you a full analytical STD/HIV test for free or low cost, there is health insurance though, but most likely won't cover it. There's some programs that are for teens, for parents, etc... they're just programs for the local people with certain needs. But you're talkin about tests for prostitution lol... tell me what program out there is willing to give out free or cheap tests for their employees and clients, in the field of prostitution. This is capitalism, they're gonna charge them serious money knowing men are sex crazed and sex sales. |
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You didn't give me your sources.
I mentioned planned parenthood as an EXAMPLE. Clearly, we were talking about two different things, which is why I even asked if I was misinformed or if we were talking about different tests. Obviously I know of no program, yet, otherwise I would have mentioned it. One can be made and implemented though. You say they will charge some serious money, so if this is the case, then why not? It's for their safety and for the safety of their employees. Also, maybe being somewhat high priced isn't such a bad idea. Then it would limit the clients and if this is the case, prostitution would not increase either employee-wise or client-wise, and then less problems right? Seems that majority of your argument is that prostitution will cause problems because it would increase; please correct me if I'm wrong. |
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Why do you keep sayin this country is run by the moral majority? When we all have witnessed in the media all immoral things that have gone on?... If they're so moral, why would they legalize it in Nevada in the first place? C'mon now. |
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You didn't give me your sources. I mentioned planned parenthood as an EXAMPLE. Clearly, we were talking about two different things, which is why I even asked if I was misinformed or if we were talking about different tests. Obviously I know of no program, yet, otherwise I would have mentioned it. One can be made and implemented though. You say they will charge some serious money, so if this is the case, then why not? It's for their safety and for the safety of their employees. Also, maybe being somewhat high priced isn't such a bad idea. Then it would limit the clients and if this is the case, prostitution would not increase either employee-wise or client-wise, and then less problems right? Seems that majority of your argument is that prostitution will cause problems because it would increase; please correct me if I'm wrong. Because the cost of the STD/HIV tests alone would cost more than the cost for a woman to give oral to a client. The idea of legalizing prostitution while enforcing STD/HIV tests (and of course they want thorough tests done) on both parties (prostitute and client) would be silly. The price for sexual pleasure would cost a hell of a lot, thus making the client want to look on the streets for cheaper sexual pleasure, thus making prostitution "healthy and legal" ridiculously useless. I don't think you read the article, if you have... you;d see the reasons why many countries are debating why or why not to legalize it. And it's problems like in that article that make many powerful leaders just ignore the request. |
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