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post Feb 22 2008, 01:14 AM
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QUOTE(Tamacracker @ Feb 21 2008, 11:47 PM) *
-.- It's old tradition... Ancient tradition, even the Ancient Egyptians married off their children. So did your ancestors, Mongolian (forgive me for assuming you're Asian if I'm wrong).

I go by MY Qur'an not "info that is out there"

And I'm Sunni.


So back then, was it acceptable in Islam to marry a girl of that age? But the rule changed?

I don't know any of my ancestors that married and lived with someone before puberty. And I'm pretty sure none of my ancestors claimed to be prophets or started their own religions.

How many different versions of the Koran are there? Different sects? I'm asking because I get different answers from different Muslims. Is there an Islamic equivalent to the Pope? If not, where do you place authority for the beliefs? Is the Koran inerrant?

Sorry for all the questions. "I don't know" is an acceptable answer, but for your sake, I hope that if it is your answer, you find out the truth.
 
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post Feb 22 2008, 01:34 AM
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QUOTE(kryogenix @ Feb 22 2008, 01:14 AM) *
So back then, was it acceptable in Islam to marry a girl of that age? But the rule changed?

Yes it was acceptable but Islam wasn't the only belief system either, so you can't single them out. As for the rule changing, yeah you can say that, it's a tradition in which is slowly being phased out.

But so are all the other belief systems, so again... the rule didn't change just for Islam.

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I don't know any of my ancestors that married and lived with someone before puberty. And I'm pretty sure none of my ancestors claimed to be prophets or started their own religions.


I'm a pretty big history buff, I know my historical events pretty well.

I don't think you understand what's the point of religion. The reason why religion exist is because these were people who spread the teachings of God. Religion is just a label for a group of followers of God.

Religion wasn't meant to be used to create wars, to force teachings, or what have you. It was just meant to keep the word of God alive.

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How many different versions of the Koran are there? Different sects? I'm asking because I get different answers from different Muslims. Is there an Islamic equivalent to the Pope? If not, where do you place authority for the beliefs? Is the Koran inerrant?


There's legitimately only two versions of the Qur'an. The Sunni version and the Shia version. Which answers the question, "how many sects of Islam is there?" There's specifically only 2 sects in the root of Islam. But then there's the Westernized branches of these two sects which most of the time is blasphemous.

If you'd like to know the differences between the two.. it's a bit long, I really don't know how to sum that up as for every bit of detail in the differences has to be laid down to fully understand. I would recommend you read this if you're interested: http://www.ansar.org/english/fiqh.htm

There's no such thing as a higher being on earth who can speak to God such as the Catholic pope. Only prophets could speak to God and hear God at any given time.

Popes only exist for one thing and one thing only, to control the people with "religious politics". Nothing more, nothing less.

The true authority of Islam is the word of God via the Qur'an.

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Sorry for all the questions. "I don't know" is an acceptable answer, but for your sake, I hope that if it is your answer, you find out the truth.


These were pretty simple questions actually. Hope you understood my answers.
 
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post Feb 22 2008, 01:41 AM
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What kind of Muslim do you see yourself as?

Do you bend the rules?
 
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post Feb 22 2008, 01:48 AM
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What kind of Muslim do you see yourself as?

Do you bend the rules?


I'm Sunni, if any bending of rules... it would be that last year I did not celebrate Ramadan because I was in Italy at the time and I forgot to bring my Qur'an. On top of that I could not find a Mosque no where near town.

Unfortunately my family in Italy would never understand why I chose Islam. I had to stay at a hotel which didn't have its own kitchen. So I couldn't eat the certain foods that were allowed.

On top of that I was on a business contract, I can't just stop in the middle of my job, drop down to my knees and pray for an hour.

I believe your religious activities and knowledge of religion should be kept to yourself and not exposed in the business world.
 
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post Feb 22 2008, 01:49 AM
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Do you think Allah would frown upon work over religion as you have to pray a certain times a day?
 
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post Feb 22 2008, 01:51 AM
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QUOTE(Sulfur @ Feb 22 2008, 01:49 AM) *
Do you think Allah would frown upon work over religion as you have to pray a certain times a day?



No. It is not your fault that you work in order to survive and that you must follow business policies.

When you have the time, then go ahead and pray.
 
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post Feb 22 2008, 01:59 AM
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QUOTE(Tamacracker @ Feb 22 2008, 01:34 AM) *
Yes it was acceptable but Islam wasn't the only belief system either, so you can't single them out. As for the rule changing, yeah you can say that, it's a tradition in which is slowly being phased out.

But so are all the other belief systems, so again... the rule didn't change just for Islam.


As I understand, this stuff is still in practice in Africa and the Middle East.

The difference between other belief systems is that I don't think the founder of other religions married young girls. I don't think Abraham did. I don't think Jesus did. I don't think Siddharta Gautama did.

By who's authority was this practice changed?

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I'm a pretty big history buff, I know my historical events pretty well.

I don't think you understand what's the point of religion. The reason why religion exist is because these were people who spread the teachings of God. Religion is just a label for a group of followers of God.

Religion wasn't meant to be used to create wars, to force teachings, or what have you. It was just meant to keep the word of God alive.


How does one know they are following the right religion?

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There's legitimately only two versions of the Qur'an. The Sunni version and the Shia version. Which answers the question, "how many sects of Islam is there?" There's specifically only 2 sects in the root of Islam. But then there's the Westernized branches of these two sects which most of the time is blasphemous.

If you'd like to know the differences between the two.. it's a bit long, I really don't know how to sum that up as for every bit of detail in the differences has to be laid down to fully understand. I would recommend you read this if you're interested: http://www.ansar.org/english/fiqh.htm

There's no such thing as a higher being on earth who can speak to God such as the Catholic pope. Only prophets could speak to God and hear God at any given time.


Where do Sunnis place their authority? Where do Shiites place their authority? If they place their authority in the same place, why do they have distinct beliefs?

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Popes only exist for one thing and one thing only, to control the people with "religious politics". Nothing more, nothing less.


What about Imams? Do they not control people with religious politics? What is your opinion on the Dalai Lama?

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The true authority of Islam is the word of God via the Qur'an.
These were pretty simple questions actually. Hope you understood my answers.


Thanks for the answers.
 
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post Feb 22 2008, 02:21 AM
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QUOTE(kryogenix @ Feb 22 2008, 01:59 AM) *
As I understand, this stuff is still in practice in Africa and the Middle East.


Erm... It's still being practiced all over the world actually. But modern civilizations want it phased out.

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The difference between other belief systems is that I don't think the founder of other religions married young girls. I don't think Abraham did. I don't think Jesus did. I don't think Siddharta Gautama did.


Your point being? God never said it was a sin nor was it good to marry a child or have children get married. It was never considered an issue. But as we all know, a lot of the world views children getting married as ridiculous.

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By who's authority was this practice changed?


I can't answer that with a specific name nor time frame. I can only say by the authority of evolution, specifically psychological.

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How does one know they are following the right religion?


There is no right or wrong religion, unless it's obvious that the religion only exists to harm humanity and defame God, the word of God, the Prophets, and the word of the Prophets.


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Where do Sunnis place their authority? Where do Shiites place their authority? If they place their authority in the same place, why do they have distinct beliefs?

They place them all in God and God only.
As to why they have distinct beliefs, I already answered that with a link to get the full understanding. There's no possible way of summing up the differences between the two.

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What about Imams? Do they not control people with religious politics?

They're supposed to keep order, a land with no physical authority is just bad news, we all know this.

They don't use religious politics per say, because in Islam, there is no religious politics. Everyone follows the Qur'an and understand the consequences.

Though I do understand that Imams are trying to control their people with man made laws and I totally disagree with it. Because this takes away the true freedom from the people.
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What is your opinion on the Dalai Lama?
Thanks for the answers.


A great man we had. Unfortunately he never had the chance to explain himself for his racist political views. I never found a good enough explanation. So while he helped many of his people, he was still racist in my book.

As for him going to heaven? I couldn't answer you that. It depends on his heart and God will judge him for his heart.
 
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post Feb 22 2008, 12:12 PM
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They still marry there cousins and under age girls. Things still haven't really changed.

And by the way you need to get over yourself you really aren't that great of person.

I hope the FBI is watching you.
 
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post Feb 22 2008, 12:35 PM
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QUOTE(BunkyWhiteGirl @ Feb 22 2008, 12:12 PM) *
They still marry there cousins and under age girls. Things still haven't really changed.


LOL Erm.. I wouldn't be speaking if I were you, you already look foolish as it is. And speaking of marrying their cousins lol... you most likely have redneck-hicks in your family... whether is in present time or back in the early 1900's, regardless they screwed and raped their own family members. To add to that, they did the same to animals.

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And by the way you need to get over yourself you really aren't that great of person.


You're nothin special for me to be a great person about. (Did that make sense?) In other words... I don't kiss ass, I don't laugh because someone else laughs, and I don't try to be friends with strangers online, specially ones who make up stories and tend to be ignorant beyond belief.
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I hope the FBI is watching you.


Go kill yourself. Or simply stop posting in this thread, wanker.
 
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post Feb 22 2008, 01:51 PM
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Why don't you become extreme and kill your self. You are the biggest a-hole I have ever met.

Don't worry Big Brother is watching... specially with they way you are.

You're just a Wanna-Be.
 
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post Feb 22 2008, 02:35 PM
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QUOTE(BunkyWhiteGirl @ Feb 22 2008, 01:51 PM) *
Why don't you become extreme and kill your self. You are the biggest a-hole I have ever met.

Don't worry Big Brother is watching... specially with they way you are.

You're just a Wanna-Be.



You can see your way out.
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post Feb 23 2008, 12:05 PM
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That's ok. I think I'll stay awhile.
 
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post Feb 23 2008, 01:49 PM
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Why's this topic open when people aren't asking opinions about it. Seriously.

I've been reading about Jihad, which is controversially the Sixth Pillar of Islam. What's your intake on this one?
 
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post Feb 23 2008, 01:59 PM
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beats me. imo, if people still have questions (and since tama's the only one answering), they can just pm him. however, until tamacracker wants this thread closed or until this thread just gets ridiculously full of spam and fighting, i'll leave this open.

we can do without the petty fighting and name calling in here. if it continues, you'll all be issued a verbal warning.
 
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post Feb 23 2008, 02:09 PM
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Good grief, guys!

Ok, any post below the one I'm posting now that contains any type of personal name calling will result in warnings, period. Friggin keep it civil for goodness sake. Also, verbal warning has already been issued to Tamacracker, so I think we've had enough warnings of impending warnings.

Tama, I think you're an alright guy, so let's keep the 'tude in check, please? This goes for all your posts.

Now, Eddie has asked some questions. Anyone have some answers or comments to that?
 
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post Feb 23 2008, 02:19 PM
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That should keep order for awhile.
 
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post Feb 24 2008, 02:40 PM
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Well, I just went to the Mosque today, and all my questions got answered.
 
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I was wondering about Islam...

How do women fit into all of this? I've heard the women are anything but equal. Do they still get to participate in everything? I'm sure probably not the Mecca pilgramage, but how are they fitting into it all?
 
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post Mar 7 2008, 05:04 PM
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QUOTE(Sulfur @ Feb 24 2008, 02:40 PM) *
Well, I just went to the Mosque today, and all my questions got answered.

Ah... very good.

QUOTE(Morbidsnowbeast @ Mar 7 2008, 03:05 PM) *
I was wondering about Islam...

How do women fit into all of this? I've heard the women are anything but equal. Do they still get to participate in everything? I'm sure probably not the Mecca pilgramage, but how are they fitting into it all?



I think I would much rather prefer you not coward behind a 2nd user name so that I can give you at least a respectable answer.
 
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Oh I'm so sorry

What's a second username? How do I get one that you won't be mad at?

AGH sorry. I'm new first post... Well this is my second lol.
 
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Thank you Tamacracker for this interesting information about Islam. The stupid media has corrupted my mind, and now, I know the accurate truth happy.gif
 
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post Mar 28 2008, 05:36 PM
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Thank you Tamacracker for this interesting information about Islam. The stupid media has corrupted my mind, and now, I know the accurate truth happy.gif

That's the only reason why I created the thread. The media is showing a bunch of Arabian thugs who claim to be Muslims when they're no better than the KKK, they're hypocrites and in no way, shape or form are they true Muslims.

Basically media is using fear tactics to scare the American and European people into hating Islam and being ignorant of Islam.
 
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QUOTE(Tamacracker @ Mar 28 2008, 06:36 PM) *
That's the only reason why I created the thread. The media is showing a bunch of Arabian thugs who claim to be Muslims when they're no better than the KKK, they're hypocrites and in no way, shape or form are they true Muslims.

Basically media is using fear tactics to scare the American and European people into hating Islam and being ignorant of Islam.



I believe that completely.

A few weeks ago, my class was studying Christanity, Islam, and Judaism. You would not believe how many students were shocked to learn that the Arabic name for Allah was God. I mean seriously, the media is over exaggerating ideas that aren't that big of a deal. They know how many lives they are tainting and exactly how they're doing it, but they don't care. They just want the dirty money.

It's like racism all over again, but globally.
 
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post Mar 28 2008, 06:49 PM
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I believe that completely.

A few weeks ago, my class was studying Christanity, Islam, and Judaism. You would not believe how many students were shocked to learn that the Arabic name for Allah was God. I mean seriously, the media is over exaggerating ideas that aren't that big of a deal. They know how many lives they are tainting and exactly how they're doing it, but they don't care. They just want the dirty money.

It's like racism all over again, but globally.

Yep... they think Islam's God is some pagan "Moon" God (because the symbolism of Islam is the half moon). And in reality it's the same God as Judaism and pre-Christianity's God (prior to the Trinity).
 

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