I haven't seen any actual bashing, just people provoking people to get a rise out of them for the sake of debate. You opened the door when you said Christians should be able to defend their faith. So defend your faith, woman. As much as I disagree with Tama on practically everthing, he's on topic and doing a good job at trying to make you "defend" your faith. If you think this is bashing, then you are really sensitive and may not want to linger in the debate forum; this kind of talk is rather standard here.

Anyway, I'm confused with topic. Are we actually debating something or are you just making a point that a Christian must be able to defend his/her faith?



A beautiful response, though I don't think it's just by Christians' standards. I feel the same. Humility is a virtue hard earned and deserves infinite praise.

Spirited away:



I fully agree with your statement. You're right. I believe I did take things a bit sensitively and I'm sorry. My intent on this topic is what you asked. I was making a point. I was truly not asking for a debate.

Personally, I do believe that when someone like Tamacracker, for example, is hard on his own beliefs, there is no way in changing his mind.

The point I was trying to make by this topic was to alert my Christian friends that we do need proof if we are wanting to get into a debate. I am not wanting to, personally.


Joss-el-ine:


I felt like it. I was kinda bored haha.



I definitely agree with that. My purpose in this topic was to alert others if they indeed were indenting to "prove people wrong." I am not trying to. I believe you are on the right track. Totally. Actions speak WAY louder then anything on a forum could say.

then you probably shouldn't have put this in the debate forum

This is true, no one could ever push their agendas on me. I could respect their agenda, but it would have to be authentic and for the better of the world in general.


And how would you go about in proving your religion is actually authentic and not simply forged into an agenda for evil men to abuse?

If apologetics is your only way, then there is nothin to debate then. Not even worth the discussion.

I fully agree with your starting post on this thread. All I was addin to it is simply that you should use more than just faith and scriptures (unless you can use scriptures and physical evidence hand-in-hand) if you're planning to educate/convert anyone.

In my opinion and generally speaking, the Christians didn't use words of kindness to convert people, instead they spread Christianity by the sword for generations. That or simply gave them an ultimatum, such as the Christian mercenaries in Africa.

I see. Yea, just take things with a grain of salt here; people can seem really mean if you take what they say too personally.

Haha, religious battles. OFF THE WALL, SON! Everyone in this thread is being stupid. Instead of defending, you insult and attack others. What does this show? Weakness. I understand that we aren't scholars, but we have some pretty useful tools for our personal use. Check 'em out.

Christianity, though I no longer follow, is a wierd religion. It's not something you can read one thing about and be able to understand it. People tend to do this when it comes to debate. They will read something out of context and pride themselves in discriminating against one another.

I don't know much about religion. I grew up as a Christian. It's not for me, at least not right now. Reasons being I don't understand. I'm not going to follow something which is a faith oriented organization if I do not believe. But I understand it enough to see when people don't know what they're talking about.

For instance... Tamacracker... the Torah is apart of the Bible. It's the books of law. Where are the holes in the Bible? What do parables have to do with anything? They are merely stories written for Christians and meant to only be useful and understood by Christians. That's why they are in the Christian Bible. And not all people are moved by evidence. If that were the case, then religion would be dead. Except for those who force it upon others.

And correct me if I'm wrong....

Aren't you a Muslim?

The Bible is not meant to fully be taken literally. There are some parts that are history, law, allegories, PARABLES, and such.

Right, the Torah is the Old Testament, not the New Testament, the New Testament is blasphemous. No other religion agrees with the New Testament, only the existence of their Prophets, not the historical events of the New Testament's Prophets.


Right... that's why it's not meant to be taken literally. Like... at all.



Meh... more like a Pantheist.
Just in case you don't know what that is:
Pantheism - the doctrine or belief that God is the universe and its phenomena (taken or conceived of as a whole) or the doctrine that regards the universe as a manifestation of God



Right... Thus is why cross referencing is always best in order to know what's authentic or not.

Tamacracker,

I am now more clear on your viewpoints. Sorry it took a while



I definitely agree. When planning or trying to educate or convert someone in Christianity, I believe it is always a good idea to use outside sources as well as The Bible. For instance, science. Some people are very good at relating God and science to where others can identify with them as well.

It's apart of the Old Testament. It's only a few books. How is the New Testament blasphemous? It consists of nothing that speaks wrongly of God. There are events in the New Testament that were prophecized in the Old Testament.


Alright, I'm clearly not going to be of any help persuading you that the Bible is not always literal. So, I'm not even gonna try.

Yes it does... It kills the Original and only God and replaces God with a Prophet by the name of Jesus Christ in the form of a trinity.

No other religion believes in this... this can't even be cross referenced with any other religion, other than the religion of the Ancient Egyptians. The story of the trinity, is nothin more but a copy off of the religion of the Ancient Egyptians. Waaay before the existence of Jesus. And who else would have that knowledge prior to Jesus existence? The Jews. And what did the Jews and the Romans do to the holy scriptures of Jesus Christ? They created a Newer Testament which was based on Ancient Egyptian mythology.

But don't take my word for it, I could just be some sort of wacko nut job for all we know. Just do your research on history, you'll learn a lot. :P

Thats not true. Although you make a great point, I just want to point out that the Torah is not used by just Christians. The Torah is a Jewish book and Christianity, coming from the Jewish religion, abides by the laws in that book as well.

what the hell are you talking about?
God is not killed.
That statement is blasphemous. Where does it ever say that God is killed and replaced by Jesus? I need some proof please.

lol religion

-.-

If you can't understand what I'm sayin, then that's too bad. The proof is in the Bible, between Old Testament and New Testament.

Instead of making yourself look like an ass (LOL), you can just provide where that can found in the Bible.

"There have been described in the Old Testament 300 prophecies of the first coming of the Messiah and 500 of the second coming, all of then made hundreds of years before the birth of Jesus and fulfilled to the letter in Jesus Christ, the Messiah."

Jesus was born of Virgin Mary without any man involved in His conception (Is.7:14, Mat.1:23, Lk.1:27).

See, one thing that you're missing is that just because other religions don't follow it doesn't make it false. There are two distince sections in the Christian Doctrine. That of the Old Testament and that of the New Testament. Imagine if Jesus had been born and the only Bible that was to be published was just the Old Testament. It was be a work unfinished. Jesus is obviously mentioned in the Old Testament.

And would you care to mention what those ancient Egyptian mythologies are?

lol @ religious debates.

im tired of them.

If my faith was always in question because someone wants to argue the absolute truth of my religion, I'd be tired of them, too.

Horus.

I never said that Jesus was NOT the Messiah. That is the "WORLD's" savior... And Jesus isn't God.

For real. Religious debates are pointless. There's nothing to prove or disprove. But some people can't let it go.



Jesus is God incarnate.

"Christians believe that prophecies in the Hebrew Bible refer to a spiritual savior, and consider Jesus to be that Messiah (Christ)."

Who else in the Bible would be called Messiah[The Anointed One]?

Isn't that sort of contrary? Or, in the very least, ironic?
This is why I love Friedrich Nietzsche.

=)

I'd put my money on irony.

tired of religious debate

I consider myself christian even though I dont go along with most of the Bible's teachings. I dont agree with it, honestly....because JESUS or GOD didn't create the book themselves, it was a bunch of people who called themselves "prophits" writing the book for him. In todays society saying that would send you off to the looney bin. O.o;

then why on earth do you consider yourself christian?

There's no proof. At most, it's just a Christian mythology. Sorry man =\