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Jan 7 2008, 12:33 PM
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This bag is not a toy. Group: Staff Alumni Posts: 3,090 Joined: Oct 2007 Member No: 583,108 |
I think it's a bit unfair to split this topic up between "Christians" and "Atheists" in such a manner. Sure, it might have been obvious who I am based on my previous posts, but as a former Christian myself, I can honestly say that I don't hold any hate or resentment towards Christians. I'm probably the only person in my immediate family who claims to be an atheist, so by saying that I'm showing hatred towards Christianity you're essentially suggesting that I resent my family members because of their religion.
This guy specifically is not doing the right thing by showing people a prayer that will supposedly "save" them just by repeating it word for word. Salvation, for Christians, is a much more personal experience. It won't happen because someone told them to be saved, and it won't happen simply because he posted this prayer. What he doesn't realize is the fact that not only is he barking up the wrong tree here, but he's offending people in the process. By saying that you think the atheists are showing hate and the Christians are being respectful, you yourself are showing a clear bias towards the Christian posters. From my perspective, we've all been rather respectful in this thread regardless of our respective religions. |
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Jan 7 2008, 05:14 PM
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cB Assassin Group: Official Member Posts: 10,147 Joined: Mar 2004 Member No: 7,672 |
ARE YOU 100% SURE THAT IF YOU DIED TODAY THAT YOU WOULD GO TO HEAVEN? THERE ARE SOME THINGS THAT YOU SHOULD KNOW: 1. REALIZE THAT YOU ARE A SINNER AND IN NEED OF A SAVIOR: Ro 3:23 "For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;" Ro 3:10 "As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:" This all began with the story of Adam and Eve in the garden of Eden. God created them perfect, there was no death or sorrow. God told them not to eat of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. They disobeyed God and as a result, sin entered into the world. The pain which this world sees is the result of sin. 2. BECAUSE OF OUR SINS, WE DIE BOTH SPIRITUALLY AND PHYSICALLY, BUT GOD SENT HIS SON TO TAKE OUR PUNISHMENT AND GIVE US A CHANCE NOT TO HAVE TO GO TO HELL. Ro 6:23 "For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord." Ro 5:8 "But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us." Every person who has ever lived is a sinner and is not righteous because we do bad things. A sin is a crime against God, just as if you steal something at the store, it is punishable by going to jail. It's the same thing with sin. Even if we lie one time, the punishment is hell, which is a prison for those who commit crimes against God. No matter how well you live your life from then on, you have already committed a sin which will be punished if you are not pardoned. If you commit a crime, and then live as a good citizen you still will go to jail for the crime you committed. Right? Just as the president can pardon a crime so you won't go to jail, Jesus can pardon your sins so that you do not go to hell, and can go to heaven when you die. 3. IF WE WILL ACCEPT JESUS CHRIST AS OUR LORD WITH OUR MOUTHS AND BELIEVE IN OUR HEARTS THAT HE ROSE FROM THE DEAD, BY DOING THIS WE ARE RECEIVING HIM: Ro 10:9,10 "That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation." Joh 1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: {power: or, the right, or, privilege} (KJV) You cannot get to heaven by being a good person, going to church, baptism or any other way other than by turning to Jesus and asking Him to forgive you for your sins and save you. While these are good things to do, some people believe that they will get to heaven if they do these things, but the bible says that there is only one way to heaven and that is through receiving what Jesus Christ did on the cross for you. Will you do that today? If you will, you can be 100% sure that you will go to heaven when you die. DO YOU BELIEVE THAT JESUS CHRIST DIED ON THE CROSS AND ROSE FROM THE DEAD FOR YOUR SINS? DO YOU ACCEPT WHAT HE DID FOR YOU TO PAY FOR YOUR SINS? 4. If you are willing to receive Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior please pray this right now, from your heart to God, "Dear LORD JESUS, I believe that YOU died on the Cross and Rose from the dead for my sins. I ask you to come into my heart and forgive me for my sins, take me to heaven when I die. I now receive You as my Lord and Savior. Thank You for saving me. In Jesus holy name, Amen." If you prayed that prayer from your heart to God, and meant it with all of your heart, you are now a child of God and will go to heaven when you die. Now that you are on your way to heaven, you should attend a bible believing church and follow in baptism. Was that copied and pasted? |
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Jan 7 2008, 11:50 PM
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Senior Member Group: Banned Posts: 1,039 Joined: Apr 2004 Member No: 11,810 |
2Pe 1:19 We also have a more sure word of prophecy, to which you do well to take heed, as to a light that shines in a dark place, until the day dawns and the Daystar arises in your hearts, Php 2:5 Let this mind be in you which was also in Christ Jesus You remind me of the slave owners who twisted God's Word to get their side of the point across. Good job! |
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Jan 8 2008, 07:38 AM
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Senior Member Group: Official Member Posts: 4,750 Joined: Apr 2004 Member No: 10,581 |
"Give and you shall receive."
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Jan 8 2008, 11:16 AM
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Quand j'étais jeune... Group: Staff Alumni Posts: 6,826 Joined: Jan 2004 Member No: 1,272 |
I got bored of this. Why hasn't my questions been answered by the OP? Isn't there a rule where if you made the topic you have to stick by it and not leave in the midst of debate? It is rather... annoying when you provoke people and then... disappear or ingore them.
Hmm. So, who likes ice cream? |
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Jan 8 2008, 12:23 PM
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This bag is not a toy. Group: Staff Alumni Posts: 3,090 Joined: Oct 2007 Member No: 583,108 |
It is quite sad, I think he's moved on to another forum. I'd like to finish the discussion.
And I very much like ice cream. What flavor depends on my mood - I like peanut butter, mint chocolate chip, and banana-flavored when I can find it. |
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Jan 8 2008, 12:26 PM
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I am a ninja. Group: Member Posts: 310 Joined: Dec 2007 Member No: 605,151 |
I've never had peanut butter ice cream.
I'm very much partial to mango sorbet, myself. |
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Jan 8 2008, 12:31 PM
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This bag is not a toy. Group: Staff Alumni Posts: 3,090 Joined: Oct 2007 Member No: 583,108 |
Fae, you are one amazing thread hijacker.
I would like to revisit the point that all atheists are bad-tempered towards Christians, though. I'm not going to reword my post but that statement really sort of irked me in a very non-hateful-towards-christianity way. |
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Jan 8 2008, 04:50 PM
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in the reverb chamber. Group: Staff Alumni Posts: 4,022 Joined: Nov 2005 Member No: 300,308 |
I would like to revisit the point that all atheists are bad-tempered towards Christians, though. I'm not going to reword my post but that statement really sort of irked me in a very non-hateful-towards-christianity way. I don't know, they always loved me at their churches. I've been bought books, sent letters, asked to outings, etc. etc. I've been to dozens of churches and youth groups and despite my vocal and explicit atheism I was almost always very welcome. Only a few occasions have I met with violent and or extreme opposition inside a church. But, yeah, it's a lame accusation. Most atheists I know are perfectly polite, as well are most Christians I know. |
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Jan 8 2008, 07:28 PM
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Senior Member Group: Member Posts: 34 Joined: Nov 2007 Member No: 592,175 |
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Jan 8 2008, 09:43 PM
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Quand j'étais jeune... Group: Staff Alumni Posts: 6,826 Joined: Jan 2004 Member No: 1,272 |
Fae, you are one amazing thread hijacker. I would like to revisit the point that all atheists are bad-tempered towards Christians, though. I'm not going to reword my post but that statement really sort of irked me in a very non-hateful-towards-christianity way. <3. I love the classic Neapolitan. Alas, I'm being ignore. Le Sigh. |
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*yrrnotelekktric* |
Jan 9 2008, 03:03 PM
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i totally know the answer to this question.
you dont. |
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Jan 9 2008, 06:41 PM
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One Love. Group: Duplicate Posts: 1,079 Joined: May 2006 Member No: 410,480 |
Y'all are f**king stupid. Whoever said Heaven/Hell is not real, please shut up. Heaven and Hell is real. If you live the life that God gave you, and seek Him, you will go to heaven. You guys ever heard of Evangelism? What the thread creator posted is like what a real missionary would say to christians or non-christians. Evangelism is the Christian practice of preaching the Gospel of Jesus to both Christians (i.e. Orthodox and Catholics) or non-Christians. I respect that.
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*yrrnotelekktric* |
Jan 9 2008, 07:24 PM
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^what if you`re an atheist/agnostic?
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Jan 9 2008, 08:07 PM
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in the reverb chamber. Group: Staff Alumni Posts: 4,022 Joined: Nov 2005 Member No: 300,308 |
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Jan 9 2008, 08:38 PM
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Quand j'étais jeune... Group: Staff Alumni Posts: 6,826 Joined: Jan 2004 Member No: 1,272 |
Y'all are f**king stupid. Whoever said Heaven/Hell is not real, please shut up. Heaven and Hell is real. If you live the life that God gave you, and seek Him, you will go to heaven. You guys ever heard of Evangelism? What the thread creator posted is like what a real missionary would say to christians or non-christians. Evangelism is the Christian practice of preaching the Gospel of Jesus to both Christians (i.e. Orthodox and Catholics) or non-Christians. I respect that. It seems you're very lost. Maybe you should re-read this thread before jumping to conclusions and making a fuss out of nothing. Also re-read the first post to see that the creator of this thread is also lost. Actually, it's part of the rules of this forum. Someone should report you. Just a suggestion. |
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Jan 10 2008, 12:48 AM
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Senior Member Group: Banned Posts: 1,039 Joined: Apr 2004 Member No: 11,810 |
Y'all are f**king stupid. Whoever said Heaven/Hell is not real, please shut up. Heaven and Hell is real. If you live the life that God gave you, and seek Him, you will go to heaven. You guys ever heard of Evangelism? What the thread creator posted is like what a real missionary would say to christians or non-christians. Evangelism is the Christian practice of preaching the Gospel of Jesus to both Christians (i.e. Orthodox and Catholics) or non-Christians. I respect that. Missionaries don't spam. Sorry. |
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Jan 10 2008, 12:57 AM
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Senior Member Group: Official Member Posts: 1,288 Joined: Oct 2007 Member No: 585,380 |
Please don't come in here and try to shove the bible down our throats. Agreed, altho, i am Christian and believe in that, most Christians try to change people, and thats just damn wrong, if your so in love with god, why try to change there minds that god gave them? i mean its ok to tell them what you believe and if they think something correct them, but damn dude, dont force them to believe it! im not stong on going to church etc. so dont be hatin' lol i find chruch creepy...there all like zombies like "OHHH JEEESSSUUSS OHHH LOORRRDDD II FFEEELLL YOU!" its like get the hell away from me! |
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Jan 10 2008, 11:54 AM
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Senior Member Group: Banned Posts: 1,039 Joined: Apr 2004 Member No: 11,810 |
Agreed, altho, i am Christian and believe in that, most Christians try to change people, and thats just damn wrong, if your so in love with god, why try to change there minds that god gave them? i mean its ok to tell them what you believe and if they think something correct them, but damn dude, dont force them to believe it! im not stong on going to church etc. so dont be hatin' lol i find chruch creepy...there all like zombies like "OHHH JEEESSSUUSS OHHH LOORRRDDD II FFEEELLL YOU!" its like get the hell away from me! You're better off a deist. |
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*Steven* |
Jan 10 2008, 12:05 PM
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Jan 10 2008, 12:06 PM
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All right, all right. Jason, atheists are not necessarily stupid, so please don't say that. You are supposed to respect everyone's opinions when posting in the Debate forum (and on cB in general).
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Jan 12 2008, 02:57 PM
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tell me more. Group: Official Member Posts: 2,798 Joined: Jul 2004 Member No: 35,640 |
Agreed, altho, i am Christian and believe in that, most Christians try to change people, and thats just damn wrong, if your so in love with god, why try to change there minds that god gave them? i mean its ok to tell them what you believe and if they think something correct them, but damn dude, dont force them to believe it! im not stong on going to church etc. so dont be hatin' lol i find chruch creepy...there all like zombies like "OHHH JEEESSSUUSS OHHH LOORRRDDD II FFEEELLL YOU!" i find your av creepy the Christian idea is that we know the answer on how to get to heaven, so why wouldn't you share that with others? like having the cure to cancer and keeping it to yourself. |
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Jan 12 2008, 08:33 PM
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Quand j'étais jeune... Group: Staff Alumni Posts: 6,826 Joined: Jan 2004 Member No: 1,272 |
i find your av creepy the Christian idea is that we know the answer on how to get to heaven, so why wouldn't you share that with others? like having the cure to cancer and keeping it to yourself. What I want you to do is add "supposed" to everything you think is true. For example, "they have the supposed cure to cancer". Now, of course you're not gonna want to do what I tell you, but don't worry, I'm not offended. In this case, we want you people to go ahead and keep your notions of God and whatnot to yourself because we find them silly and unfounded most of the time. If you cannot do that, then don't get all fussy on people who want to belittle you or talk down on you. After all, in a sense, you guys started doing that very thing by trying to stuff these things down people's throats. Oh, if you do have the cure to cancer, literally, do tell. |
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Jan 12 2008, 08:43 PM
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Senior Member Group: Banned Posts: 1,039 Joined: Apr 2004 Member No: 11,810 |
What I want you to do is add "supposed" to everything you think is true. For example, "they have the supposed cure to cancer". Now, of course you're not gonna want to do what I tell you, but don't worry, I'm not offended. In this case, we want you people to go ahead and keep your notions of God and whatnot to yourself because we find them silly and unfounded most of the time. If you cannot do that, then don't get all fussy on people who want to belittle you or talk down on you. After all, in a sense, you guys started doing that very thing by trying to stuff these things down people's throats. Oh, if you do have the cure to cancer, literally, do tell. pics of you now. |
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Jan 12 2008, 10:44 PM
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Senior Member Group: Member Posts: 273 Joined: Jul 2007 Member No: 547,099 |
This thread obviously isn't going anywhere, let's close this and all future religion threads that pop up.
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