I'm against the application. Applications and whatnot can only lead to elitism.

Sorry guys, but applications are -1.

I see the merit in an application, I just don't think it's the best of idas. You'll lose a lot of input, even if it is stupid, by putting it there. I don't think I would want to even apply simply because I'm lazy, but that doesn't mean that I wouldn't want to give input.

Also, I don't think it would necesarily segregate the community any more than it already is. Cliques > subforums.

Then why did you make this topic in the first place... by creating a "smart" section. You would definitely be segregating the community. There is no question. I just wanted to find the least offensive/elitist way possible. You obviously can't tell people they're stupid and not allow them in. Thats just wrong. You can't turn people down because they aren't "smart" enough.

Since we cannot judge people without being in the wrong. Why not let people judge themselves? That's why I thought an application would work best. It would cause people to think, "Can I handle this? Am I mature enough?" It would cause people to question themselves while they filled it out. If they thought they could handle the level of maturity in that section then they could apply and have guaranteed acceptance of that application. No-one would be excluded.

Maybe you're changing your mind on the idea?

I'm not saying I think the whole idea of a "smart section" is a bad thing, nor do I think it will necessarily segregate people more so than they already are. People will judge people no matter where they see them posting, and people will stick to their cliques because people tend to migrate towards people whom they have things in common with or share ideas. I think the "smart section" will attract people to give their input regarding news or debate or whathaveyou. I was saying that I didn't think that an application was necessarily a good thing as it restricts access. Also, I don't see people posting things in debate or news then never coming back. Typically, those people are seeking an argument or debate. Also, even if they don't come back, it only adds to the topic at hand and gives more to think about.

So, you just want a smart section to say, "This section is for smart topics. Not for foolin, come in here if you want to have a good conversation. It's not for shits and giggles."

You don't care if everyone is allowed, you just want it labeled so people know what to expect?

More or less, and I'll repeat that it doesn't have be named "Smart Section". That was more or less a joke. People typically don't come into debate to pussyfoot around, nor do they go to News for that. I think if this subforum were a little higher in the list of forums it would get more attention, as well, even though it's up say 2 or 3 spots.

^Ok then drop the whole "application thing". I like this idea. This is what you're saying right, "Place these forums in a section that suggests greater levels of maturity and people will naturally act more mature."

So I hope. It seems to be the case in general w/ Debate/News. You get the occasional idiot that people like to all jump (see 1angel3), or people like Nate who you and jeremy have a seeming euphoric obsession with belittling. That's not to say that I haven't participated :). Aside from that, I think that people in General will act more mature in there. Typically the immaturity focuses around the lounge, picture, and lockers/relationships.

^ I don't see how creating a 'smart' forum will stop Angel3 from posting.

Nate used to bring up some good food for thought, but recently he's just been bored because he's forced to repeat himself. All the new members don't know what he has said in the past. He doesn't want to repeat himself. He says, "fuck you."

Yeah I'm not saying his ideas aren't bad. I actually sent him a PM apologizing for basically following you and Jeremy and being a complete dick to him with no apparent reason other than the fact that I was enjoying being a troll. I could have picked much stupider targets.

Yeah, but he is a real jerk.

Perhaps. I can't say I know him aside from the debates.

I have talked to him a few times on AIM. He's a nice guy. I don't think he likes getting personal with people though.

oh please.

i thought debate was enough

^ enough of what?

Don't know why I can't delete, but not sure why I made another post....

It's really weird seeing people talk about people I actually know on here...not that I've seen Nate in the past four or five months or so, but yeah.

If this is only about reorganization and splitting up Interests and whatnot, then I'm all for it.

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Haha, I don't know, I thought it was cute to make the sections like classes, but it's kind of dumb, so rename as you please...I just think that's a nice grouping.

I think the larger forums are going to be kept out due to popularity and hassle to have to search through a subforum to find them. Wow I'm full of bad grammar today. Anyways, I think News would kinda belong with Debate as it's often lead to debates.

Sammi I like the organization

just not the names...to school like

^agreed about the names

doesn't that organization kinda get rid of the original idea of this topic though. it separates news and debate, which are the key components to our "smart section"

Well, Debate can be put in that other section really, it doesn't matter, I just grouped it that way because they were all media-related...ya know?

yeah i see the reasoning behind the grouping. i still think it misses the entire point of this thread. we (this is what i thought anyway) wanted them separate. away from the "non-smart" sections, not really grouped in with other pointless subjects, we have that now.

^i kinda think it does the opposite. i think school type headings are more unattractive and less interesting. we go to school all day.

that's just me though, i'd go in it regardless of the heading

then u're thinking wrong. i like school as well, but createblog isn't school. school titles are boring, to me. if everyone else loves them, i'm all for it.