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Is the Confederate Flag Racist?
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post May 22 2004, 11:55 AM
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Many people have different views on this. Some say no because the flag is their heritage and many say yes because of what it represents now i nthe present. So the question is If the Confederate Flag Racist.

This was started on another forum and this is what i had to say (keep in mind some people were replying back so, sorry if i repeated my self in any sentences, also it was also starting to talk about the war)

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My opinion on the confederate flag is all over the place actually. i think that it the ways it is used can be racist. it started off as a symbol of pride and finished off as a symbol of haterd. many people have twisted the flag and its view to make it as a symbol of haterd not only against blacks, but jews, hispanics, catholics, and anyone who was not like them. Personally i do not think that there should have been a confederate flag in the first place because as the so called United States we shouldn't have ever divided ourselves.

Ok when i say it has turned out to now be a symbol of racism i mean that when the flag first came about it was all about southern pride and heritage and what not. but after the civil war when the KKK was created they used the flag as a symbol of haterd of minorities and when in the 50s when all the hate groups were becoming even more fired up against blacks they waved around that flag at all their meetings when they were saying i hate blacks, jews, and everybody who isn't me. some people now still see it as only a symbol of heritage, but you have to put yourself in a minorties body and see what we see when every time you see the flag it is always associated with somethingd bad as racism, what more can you think.

I don't think anyone said the war was just about slavery. It was about states rights and slavery because the question of states rights arose because of slavery. The thing is now the flag is associated with all the hate groups. They don't have the right to use it but it doesn't change the fact that they do use it. When everything is all done and said with all people will remember is that neo-nazi, kkk, and other hate groups used that flag.
I say i don't like to see the flag because all i see is hate.

I haven't been taught to only see hate. I actually used to believe that is wasn't racist, when everyone said it was. The thing is that when i started researching things like the Civil war and other things I realized the intentions of it weren't meant to be racist but it is now and there is nothing to change that.

Ya'll keep saying it wasn't over slavery. The reason the states succeeded to union wqas because of slavery. The issue of states right to govern and allow to have slaves is what caused the split. If there wasn't the issue of slavery i can bet there wouldn't have been a civil war.
How can a flag hold your heritage. There is no more Confederacy so you there shouldn't be the Confederate flag. How can you love a flag that represents separation?.
Like i said before you have to look from the other point of view. I've been on both sides and everytime i see that flag it is behind someone saying they agree with separation. take how you wanna, but in my eyes it is racist,

I never said the north was dead set against slavery or that northern states didn't have slaves so i don't know how that got into the agrument. Also they returned the slaves bcak because there was rewards, everybody is money hungry AND laws. Also those states that had slave in the north went with the succession with the south so then they were apart of the confederacy.
Poor people did have slaves. Most of the southerners yeah weren't rich enough to buy many slaves, but that doesn't mean that they didn't have slaves. Almost one-third of all Southern families owned slaves. In Mississippi and South Carolina it approached one half. Also the states who were near the north weren't considered nothern states they were ocnsidered borderline states. And they did not suceede to the Confederacy.
I shouldn't have said if i did, slavery was the only reason. The slavery issue however was the largest issue and the one of most concern. Other factors like politcally stemmed from slavery because before they made the 3/4 compromise, people in the North said if they are just property then they shouldn't be counted toward the voting rep in Congress, but the Southerns disagreed because the more people the more reps you could have. That was one of the issues that started the Civil War.The South also suceeded because they though Lincolin was going to free slaves even though he never advocated abolishing slavery.
But back to the flag

I meant to ask ya'll before what Confederate do you love or whatever. Because for example Georgia's flag up until 2001 was not the original Confederate flag it was a Confederate flag put up to protest the Supreme court's decision on Brown vs. Board of Education.
The flag is a representation of slavery because there wasn't a confederate flag until the succession. What i don't understand is how you say you have an alliegence to a flag of a nonexistent place. There is no more Union or Confederacy it is simply the United States of America. Yeah the Confederacy consisted of southern states but doesn't mean that it should represent the states or what not.


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post Nov 12 2007, 11:58 AM
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Why get offended at all? That's letting racist people win. Ignore it and they'll get tired and eventually society's racism will die out more and more (but never completely).
 
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post Nov 12 2007, 12:12 PM
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i don't care about the confederate flag. anyone who gets so worked up over it needs to just calm the hell down, there's way better stuff to to get worked up over. I

the U.S. flag was around what, like 50+ years before the confederate flag even came into the picture? we could call the U.S. flag racist too, since it flew while racism and slavery were allowed. obviously we could call a lot of flags racist if we really felt like it.

that would be ridiculous though. just like this is.
 
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post Nov 12 2007, 12:15 PM
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seeing as they represent the confedracy, the natural thing to say would be yes
however, the flag itself isnt racist. just what it means
lol, i dont think that made sense, but whatever
 
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post Nov 12 2007, 12:24 PM
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i believe it's racist 100%.. there is a thing called country thunder in our town and everyone throws up there flag. total hillbilly things and no black people..
 
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post Nov 12 2007, 12:29 PM
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^ how does black people not wanting to go/having any interest in country thunder = confederate flag 100% racist
 
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post Nov 12 2007, 01:24 PM
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QUOTE(brooklyneast05 @ Nov 12 2007, 11:12 AM) *
i don't care about the confederate flag. anyone who gets so worked up over it needs to just calm the hell down, there's way better stuff to to get worked up over. I

the U.S. flag was around what, like 50+ years before the confederate flag even came into the picture? we could call the U.S. flag racist too, since it flew while racism and slavery were allowed. obviously we could call a lot of flags racist if we really felt like it.

that would be ridiculous though. just like this is.


I agree with you. Each flag has its own dark history but that doesn't mean it represents such history completely and totally.
 
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post Nov 14 2007, 11:15 AM
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I really think it's just tacky at this point. At the beach this summer, I saw a girl in a confederate flag bikini; I was not impressed. It seems to not be so much as symbol of racism as it is of being a hick and having absolutely no taste. Redneck and proud, wooo for a shitty heritage!

However, last year I went to a football game with the band at a school that was in what I'd consider to be fairly far out into the country. There, people were waving and running around with their confederate flags, and I have to say, it was pretty intimidating. My band-- my high school in general-- was pretty diverse, and while I wouldn't say anyone was exactly scared or even offended necessarily, it did make us all sufficiently uncomfortable. It perpetuated the stereotype of the county the school was in, which is that they're all really racist there, and actually make it a point to keep out anyone who isn't white. I think the south part if improving a little, but that night really just proved that the north isn't. For god's sake, they only had one Jewish kid in their entire band, and they only even figured that out because we were telling them that we were missing about 20 people because it was some holiday or other. Sure, they were all friendly enough to me, but I'm not sure everyone could say the same, and despite the fact that they were nice, the flag displays overshadow that completely.

While in itself the confederate flag should not symbolize racism (and I fully agree with the post above this), it still does possess the connotations of racist overtones.



Jesus, I just noticed how many things I typed incorrectly. I really need to stop posting outside with my laptop balanced on my knees so that I can barely see the screen.

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QUOTE(CowerPointyObjects @ Nov 14 2007, 12:15 PM) *
I really think it's just tacky at this point. At the beach this summer, I saw a girl in a confederate flag bikini; I was not impressed. It seems to not be so much as symbol of racism as it is of being a hick and having absolutely no taste. Redneck and proud, wooo for a shitty heritage!

that's my town. it's so annoying
 
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QUOTE(CowerPointyObjects @ Nov 14 2007, 10:15 AM) *
I really think it's just tacky at this point. At the beach this summer, I saw a girl in a confederate flag bikini; I was not impressed. It seems to not be so much as symbol of racism as it is of being a hick and having absolutely no taste. Redneck and proud, wooo for a shitty heritage!

However, last year I went to a football game with the band at a school that was in what I'd consider to be fairly far out into the country. There, people were waving and running around with their confederate flags, and I have to say, it was pretty intimidating. My band-- my high school in general-- was pretty diverse, and while I wouldn't say anyone was exactly scared or even offended necessarily, it did make us all sufficiently uncomfortable. It perpetuated the stereotype of the county the school was in, which is that they're all really racist there, and actually make it a point to keep out anyone who isn't white. I think the south part if improving a little, but that night really just proved that the north isn't. For god's sake, they only had one Jewish kid in their entire band, and they only even figured that out because we were telling them that we were missing about 20 people because it was some holiday or other. Sure, they were all friendly enough to me, but I'm not sure everyone could say the same, and despite the fact that they were nice, the flag displays overshadow that completely.

While in itself the confederate flag should not symbolize racism (and I fully agree with the post above this), it still does possess the connotations of racist overtones.


Yes, I can see how your band would be uncomfortable.

And a Confederate flag bikini? Haha, I would have died laughing.
 
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post Nov 15 2007, 12:22 AM
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I believe it's not intended to be, but people take it offensively because of its negative connotation.
 
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post Nov 15 2007, 03:03 PM
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I don't think it is and I'm black.

People should be able to represent whatever they believe in any way necessary.
 
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post Nov 15 2007, 05:30 PM
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QUOTE(toxicity584 @ Nov 15 2007, 04:03 PM) *
People should be able to represent whatever they believe in any way necessary.

how about hanging nooses in trees?
 
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post Nov 18 2007, 08:30 PM
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When I read about the lady in the confederate bikini, I pictured an overweight, scraggly haired, tooth missing, middle aged lady. LOL. My bad.

I don't think the flag it's self is racist, but most people who have them hanging up in their home or on their vehicals usually are. I have people in my family who have the flag hanging up. My brother had one in his bedroom and stickers of it on his truck. Stereotypically, it's a "redneck" thing.

Now If there was someone driving a vehical with nazi flags on it and they had their head shaved... that'd probably be a racist.
 
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QUOTE(CowerPointyObjects @ Nov 14 2007, 11:15 AM) *
I really think it's just tacky at this point. At the beach this summer, I saw a girl in a confederate flag bikini; I was not impressed. It seems to not be so much as symbol of racism as it is of being a hick and having absolutely no taste. Redneck and proud, wooo for a shitty heritage!


i would be so tempted to say something to her, or comment on this post.
 

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