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Liberals are lame
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post Oct 4 2007, 12:33 PM
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Also what with the taking money from my paycheck to give money to people who don't work, beat their wives, buy crack, or to give money to people who made bad investments or didn't save up for retirement? Gay.
 
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post Oct 4 2007, 02:28 PM
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That's not even close to what I was saying.

If you really want me to stop calling you an idiot, stop trying to argue with me when you don't even get my point. You shouldn't have a problem, seeing as it doesn't effect you. Why bother voting against it?


By you're first post I thought you meant:
Liberals Fight for Earth > Than Conservatives Fighting Against Homosexuality


What I am saying is:
Most conservatives don't fight against it. We simply vote against it., Because I think it's morally wrong, I'm sorry if that offends you. I don't look down on homosexuals. I'm not out to burn them at the stake. They can do what they want. I sin, they sin, everybody sins, but regardless of who is sinning or what sin it is I'm not going to vote "yes" so that people can legalize what I believe is sin. I know that you won't understand that, but there are many who will.

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I am perfectly well aware of that, but that isn't what we're discussing in here. Of course it's the position the majority of conservatives take; I am familiar with both sides of the issue, but I disagree. However, it doesn't matter that most conservatives think that, because only the WHOLE majority matters, not just the majority of one sect. Abortion is still legal, and it should stay that way.


and I don't fight it in real life because the WHOLE majority does matter. On the other hand, if someone asks my opinion on the subject then I will tell them. The same way you disagree with the WHOLE majority on same-sex marriages. Although, that majority is shifting.

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"You were become a low life"? Come on, you can do better than that. Anyway, by legalizing pot, I'm not saying that everyone should suddenly start smoking, but people are doing it regardless, and economically it makes a whole hell of a lot more sense to have it legal, especially from a capitalist perspective. Economic conservatives would probably agree if they didn't enjoy keeping foreign pot out so much.


"You were become a low life"?
God, that was bad... it would supposed to read, "Even you were becoming a 'low-life'." Anyway, I don't think that it would do the economy good at all. What are the side effects of pot smoking. One of the major ones is laziness. People loose their drive. If smoking was legalized then people would be doping up all the time (more often than they do now). It would be bad for our economy because an even larger percentage of our economy would fall into stupidity and laziness.

More stupid people in the United States of America. = Less capitol for the United States of America.

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No, think about it. One day will make absolutely no difference. People can stock up on Saturdays. Therefore, no clear good.

It does make a difference because it takes them that much longer to do it. Forceing them to stock up makes them think why they are doing it, and reinforces the idea of "drunk driving being a no-no".

QUOTE(Steven @ Oct 4 2007, 01:33 PM) *
Also what with the taking money from my paycheck to give money to people who don't work, beat their wives, buy crack, or to give money to people who made bad investments or didn't save up for retirement? Gay.


I would much rather have a flat tax. Fuck the poor, most of them are that way for a reason. People are poor because of bad decisions, not bad luck. Why should I be forced to pay for your poor choices. The higher my salary, the more this bothers me.
 
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post Oct 4 2007, 02:46 PM
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f**k LIBERALS. ITS ALL ABOUT THE GREEN HOUSE PARTYYYY
 
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post Oct 4 2007, 03:35 PM
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QUOTE(tungmyBANANA @ Oct 4 2007, 03:46 PM) *
f**k LIBERALS. ITS ALL ABOUT THE GREEN HOUSE PARTYYYY


That confused the hell out of me, but without looking this up on Google I would not have found the useful information below:

Liberals like to compare the conflict in Iraq to the war in Vietnam.3,846 US soldiers have died in Iraq. That's really not that much considering the death toll in other campaigns. Hahahahhahaha, how can people even relate this to Vietnam!!! LMAO!!! Look at the difference:

Iraq(to date)/Vietnam (%):
dead: 3,846/58,209 (6.6%)
wounded: 27,004/305,000 (8.9%)


These are the American losses. Keep in mind, the total losses in Vietnam were much much greater. Fuck you liberals. We haven't even accumulated 10% of the losses we had in Vietnam. STOP COMPARING THE TWO. Each death is life lost, let no soldier go unloved, but at the same time - the conflict in Iraq is no-where near as destructive as the war in Vietnam.

By the way, here is my reference to the casualties in Iraq:
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/ops..._casualties.htm
 
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post Oct 4 2007, 03:44 PM
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Flat tax would be hax. The more you spend, the more you're taxed. People like Bill Gates get out of taxes because their salary is like "150,000" or something like that. Nothing taxes the millions they make. If income tax was removed and it was a flat user tax, then they would have to pay their share of taxes too.


Edit: Yeah and WTF @ them calling Iraq a "Vietnam." If I were a vet who served in Vietnam and had to crawl through damp forests, getting jungle rot on my feet, watching my best friend (of the moment) get his head blown off from Charlies, I'd be pissed they were calling Iraq the same thing.

That's exactly what the Liberals do though! OMG GLOBAL WARMING IS COMING ITS ALL OUR FAULT! They cry wolf, they over exaggerate things, they make shit up! I guess it's the only way they're going to get people to listen to their stories and take action on things that would be just fine left alone. Global warming for instance, but I've said my piece in the other thread.

Liberals suck.
 
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post Oct 4 2007, 09:12 PM
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QUOTE(Steven @ Oct 4 2007, 04:44 PM) *
OMG GLOBAL WARMING IS COMING ITS ALL OUR FAULT!


No it's their fault!
 
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post Oct 4 2007, 11:03 PM
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QUOTE(Uronacid @ Oct 4 2007, 02:28 PM) *
Most conservatives don't fight against it.


They wanted the Constitution amended.
Sounds like a "fight" to me. Ever been to GodHatesFags.com? I have.

QUOTE(Uronacid @ Oct 4 2007, 02:28 PM) *
Anyway, I don't think that it would do the economy good at all. What are the side effects of pot smoking. One of the major ones is laziness. People loose their drive. If smoking was legalized then people would be doping up all the time (more often than they do now). It would be bad for our economy because an even larger percentage of our economy would fall into stupidity and laziness.


Wow, no propaganda gets passed you. Just because you smoke weed doesn't mean you will lose your drive. f**k, some of the worlds most successful, famous, and respected human beings were drug abusers. Hell, many of them used harder drugs, and frequently. Further, there are normal everyday sort of people that use cannabis regularly. Some of them are lawyers, some of them are doctors, some of them are stock brokers. It just so happens, some of them also happen to be lazy worthless bastards. Trust me, a drunk is much worse than a pot head.

As goes the economy: Legalizing drugs will do a lot of amazing things. Open free markets, close black markets. Put an end to a drug war that costs the American people billions and billions of dollars a year. Save time, resources, and money in the judicial system due to the great decrease in prison population, and court room bullshit (over half of our prisoners are non-violent drug offenders). With so many more people free to consume and to work the market would grow. Etc. etc.

QUOTE(Uronacid @ Oct 4 2007, 02:28 PM) *
More stupid people in the United States of America. = Less capitol for the United States of America.


Oh, and you demonstrate a rather poor understanding of elementary economics. Generally, the lazier and more idiotic the masses, the more prosperous the economy. Our free market is entirely based on consumerism and the stupidity of the masses. Didn't you ever wonder why Beanie Babies were so popular? But, that's all pretty meaningless anyways, seeing as pot doesn't make you stupid.

QUOTE(Uronacid @ Oct 4 2007, 02:28 PM) *
It does make a difference because it takes them that much longer to do it. Forceing them to stock up makes them think why they are doing it, and reinforces the idea of "drunk driving being a no-no".


Grasping for straws, huh?

QUOTE(Uronacid @ Oct 4 2007, 02:28 PM) *
I would much rather have a flat tax. Fuck the poor, most of them are that way for a reason. People are poor because of bad decisions, not bad luck. Why should I be forced to pay for your poor choices. The higher my salary, the more this bothers me.


Try being born into poverty. It's kind of hard to work your way out when your school can't afford text books to teach you and your teachers won't show up cause they're afraid of being shot.

QUOTE(Uronacid @ Oct 4 2007, 03:35 PM) *
Liberals like to compare the conflict in Iraq to the war in Vietnam.3,846 US soldiers have died in Iraq. That's really not that much considering the death toll in other campaigns. Hahahahhahaha, how can people even relate this to Vietnam!!! LMAO!!! Look at the difference:


When I relate the two I'm talking more about the situational aspects, not the causalities.
In fact, I think that's the comparison most people are making - both wars were highly unpopular quagmires.
 
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post Oct 4 2007, 11:06 PM
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Right but all of that was just an attack on Josh. What about my points? Don't forget about me.
 
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post Oct 4 2007, 11:10 PM
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QUOTE(NoSex @ Oct 4 2007, 11:03 PM) *
They wanted the Constitution amended.
Sounds like a "fight" to me. Ever been to GodHatesFags.com? I have.


Wow, using the Westboro Baptist Chruch is a TERRIBLE argument. They are a tiny church, and they are condemned by almost everyone. Christians, non-Christians, athiests, etc. I don't want to get too deeply into this debate, b/c I am very ignorant of politics...

but seriously, -_- I don't think that family and the few other members represent an entire political party very well.

and yes, I have been to their website. I've also watched the documentary on them filmed by some British guy who lived with them for a bit.

P.S. You forgot godhatesamerica.com and godhatessweden.com laugh.gif
 
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post Oct 4 2007, 11:11 PM
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QUOTE(Michelle @ Oct 4 2007, 11:10 PM) *
Wow, using the Westboro Baptist Chruch is a TERRIBLE argument. They are a tiny church, and they are condemned by almost everyone. Christians, non-Christians, athiests, etc. I don't want to get too deeply into this debate, b/c I am very ignorant of politics...

but seriously, -_- I don't think that family and the few other members represent an entire political party very well.

and yes, I have been to their website. I've also watched the documentary on them filmed by some British guy who lived with them for a bit.

Haha it's about as bad as using wikipedia amirite?
 
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post Oct 4 2007, 11:49 PM
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QUOTE(Steven @ Oct 4 2007, 11:11 PM) *
Haha it's about as bad as using wikipedia amirite?


Is this a joke?

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post Oct 5 2007, 12:48 AM
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Is this a joke?

http://www.news.com/8301-10784_3-6102088-7.html




^See what I did thur!?

I don't care what the hell the news says. Universities/professors will never accept that as a source for a very good reason. The media can say what it wants, but f**k the media. The media is full of shit.
 
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post Oct 5 2007, 01:47 AM
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See what I did thur!?


Riiiiiiiight. Nature magazine isn't the media, by the way.
 
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post Oct 5 2007, 01:56 AM
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post Oct 5 2007, 07:14 AM
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QUOTE(NoSex @ Oct 5 2007, 01:47 AM) *
Riiiiiiiight. Nature magazine isn't the media, by the way.

I'm not calling it the media. It was a response to your two links. Fact is, anyone can go in and change anything on wikipedia. Because of that, it will never be a valid source.
 
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post Oct 5 2007, 08:03 AM
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QUOTE(NoSex @ Oct 5 2007, 12:03 AM) *
They wanted the Constitution amended.
Sounds like a "fight" to me. Ever been to GodHatesFags.com?


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I have.
Wow, no propaganda gets passed you. Just because you smoke weed doesn't mean you will lose your drive. f**k, some of the worlds most successful, famous, and respected human beings were drug abusers. Hell, many of them used harder drugs, and frequently. Further, there are normal everyday sort of people that use cannabis regularly. Some of them are lawyers, some of them are doctors, some of them are stock brokers. It just so happens, some of them also happen to be lazy worthless bastards. Trust me, a drunk is much worse than a pot head.

I can't say anything to to that. I just don't have a problem with a drug that harms your body being illegal. As for drinking being worse: They tried to make drinking illegal, and it didn't work.

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As goes the economy: Legalizing drugs will do a lot of amazing things. Open free markets, close black markets. Put an end to a drug war that costs the American people billions and billions of dollars a year. Save time, resources, and money in the judicial system due to the great decrease in prison population, and court room bullshit (over half of our prisoners are non-violent drug offenders). With so many more people free to consume and to work the market would grow. Etc. etc.

Oh my goodness... that's so stupid... it's just another liberal feel-good idea. Yeah, while that looks good right now, If we legalized drugs it would create even more problems. Do you take drugs Nate? Have you ever been around people who take drugs. If our gov't legalized drugs then everyone would be shooting up, smoking dope, and sniffing cocaine. I can just imagine the bill boards "Don't shoot-up and drive!" Yeah, it would open up entirely new markets, but it would cause other problems in the process.

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Oh, and you demonstrate a rather poor understanding of elementary economics. Generally, the lazier and more idiotic the masses, the more prosperous the economy. Our free market is entirely based on consumerism and the stupidity of the masses. Didn't you ever wonder why Beanie Babies were so popular? But, that's all pretty meaningless anyways, seeing as pot doesn't make you stupid.
Grasping for straws, huh?

Stupid people don't contribute nearly as much as intelligent people do. This is why the government shells out so much money in financial aid. The Government is investing in our countries education because they know that these intelligent people will probably make more money and put more into the country through taxes. While we need stupid people to buy stupid things. We also need intelligent people to control them. I fear we are running out of them.

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Try being born into poverty. It's kind of hard to work your way out when your school can't afford text books to teach you and your teachers won't show up cause they're afraid of being shot.
When I relate the two I'm talking more about the situational aspects, not the causalities.

I was born into poverty you dumb fuck. It's the choices you make. Ask Jeremy, he was born into poverty too. Were you born into poverty? Wait, you're falling into poverty right now. You're a dishwasher.

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In fact, I think that's the comparison most people are making - both wars were highly unpopular quagmires.

There are people who are for the conflict and there are people who are against it. It wasn't highly unpopular, the media just makes it seem that way. Alright, forgive me, there is a high percentage of people who protest the conflict, but there is an even higher percentage of people who do not. You just don't see the people who are for the war because they don't protest. They have no need. Tool.
 
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QUOTE(Uronacid @ Oct 5 2007, 08:03 AM) *
I can't say anything to to that. I just don't have a problem with a drug that harms your body being illegal. As for drinking being worse: They tried to make drinking illegal, and it didn't work.


If you believe at all in individual freedom and the constitution than you should care that drugs have been criminalized. I thought the liberals were the ones trying to make lame laws to regulate and dictate our lives? Seriously, whatever we want to put into our bodies is our own business, not our governments'. Prohibition didn't work with alcohol, and it still isn't working with drugs. The drug war is a failure. Drugs are more available, more deadly, and more affordable than they have ever been.

QUOTE(Uronacid @ Oct 5 2007, 08:03 AM) *
Oh my goodness... that's so stupid... it's just another liberal feel-good idea. Yeah, while that looks good right now, If we legalized drugs it would create even more problems. Do you take drugs Nate? Have you ever been around people who take drugs. If our gov't legalized drugs then everyone would be shooting up, smoking dope, and sniffing cocaine. I can just imagine the bill boards "Don't shoot-up and drive!" Yeah, it would open up entirely new markets, but it would cause other problems in the process.


I don't think your point is anything but alarmist. In all realism, I would imagine the legalization of drugs would work its way out much like the decriminalization of alcohol. Further, given a drug market, doses and purities could then be controlled - this could actually save lives. Hospitals wouldn't be prisons, people could actually get help if they needed it. And, really, we all know that "gateway" drugs are bullshit. If people aren't using now, there is a good chance that they aren't going to start just because of legalization.

QUOTE(Uronacid @ Oct 5 2007, 08:03 AM) *
Stupid people don't contribute nearly as much as intelligent people do. This is why the government shells out so much money in financial aid. The Government is investing in our countries education because they know that these intelligent people will probably make more money and put more into the country through taxes. While we need stupid people to buy stupid things. We also need intelligent people to control them. I fear we are running out of them.


We need intelligent people for innovation and competition. If you haven't noticed, our market is becoming less and less controlled by competition. People are born into money more often than they think themselves into fortunes. It's sort of a reality. But, I do sympathize with your point. We do need intelligent persons. But, without the morons, we'd have no one to exploit.

QUOTE(Uronacid @ Oct 5 2007, 08:03 AM) *
I was born into poverty you dumb fuck. It's the choices you make. Ask Jeremy, he was born into poverty too. Were you born into poverty? Wait, you're falling into poverty right now. You're a dishwasher.


If you ever lived below the poverty line then what is with this antagonism towards dish washing? To me, that just seems highly improbable. Further, the sort of poverty I'm describing is sort of institutionalized. Ever wonder why poverty is so geographic?

In either case, easier or harder? Imagine if you were born into a fortune? Eh?

QUOTE(Uronacid @ Oct 5 2007, 08:03 AM) *
There are people who are for the conflict and there are people who are against it. It wasn't highly unpopular, the media just makes it seem that way. Alright, forgive me, there is a high percentage of people who protest the conflict, but there is an even higher percentage of people who do not. You just don't see the people who are for the war because they don't protest. They have no need. Tool.


Going by the polls, this is an immensely unpopular war:
"By March 2004, only 48 percent of the American public supported the war, compared to 72 percent around the time of the invasion. The support numbers continued to drop, to 47 percent in 2005, 40 percent last year and, now, 32 percent." [CNN/Opinion Research Corporation poll]

But, you ignored the fact that it is a sort of quagmire - much like Vietnam was. Even some of our own military evaluations show a sort of hopelessness in Iraq. Who remembers The Iraq Study Group?
 
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Just because the war is immensely unpopular doesn't mean that it's wrong. The American public is stupid. They're brainwashed by the media. I find that maybe one in ten people are free of media influence. Some people I respect and know are very smart in their fields and live in general, jump on the global warming bandwagon and bash the war like it's the latest and greatest fad.
 
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Who are you to say who is or isn't "free of media influence"? I mean, information has to come from somewhere, so it's pretty subjective to decide who digests info in the right way.
 
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Who are you to say who is or isn't "free of media influence"? I mean, information has to come from somewhere, so it's pretty subjective to decide who digests info in the right way.

I am an observer. These people I talk to, when presented with the simplest of counter arguments rely on the word of a media face or figurehead of the campaign, such as Al Gore.
 
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You people are idiots. Not one of you fuckers know what you're talking about, you're all regurgitating what you've heard on tv or from a friend. Not one of your opinions is your genuine opinion. Are any of you guys politicians? Do any of you actually know how the political system in this country works? I am tired of hearing all this blatant Liberal and Conservative bias when not one person in here knows what the fuck they're talking about. I don't know anything about politics and Im not gonna pretend to. So stop pretending, whats the point of debating something when none of you fuckers understand the issues.
 
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You people are idiots. Not one of you fuckers know what you're talking about, you're all regurgitating what you've heard on tv or from a friend. Not one of your opinions is your genuine opinion. Are any of you guys politicians? Do any of you actually know how the political system in this country works? I am tired of hearing all this blatant Liberal and Conservative bias when not one person in here knows what the fuck they're talking about. I don't know anything about politics and Im not gonna pretend to. So stop pretending, whats the point of debating something when none of you fuckers understand the issues.


Well, that was convincing. rolleyes.gif
 
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Well, that was convincing. rolleyes.gif
At least Im not a 18 year old hermit virgin who watches movies all day and masturbates on a dishwashing rag, you have no fucking life, so why even quote me. I'm too good to be quoted by an inferior like you.
 
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QUOTE(The-Abominable-CPillar @ Oct 12 2007, 11:20 AM) *
At least Im not a 18 year old hermit virgin who watches movies all day and masturbates on a dishwashing rag, you have no fucking life, so why even quote me. I'm too good to be quoted by an inferior like you.

Can't forget "watches films by Al Gore and Michael Moore"
 
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