Discuss. Yes I'm generalizing. Yes I feel this way about the majority who try to be politically active. Why shouldn't I? They think they know whats best for everyone and think they're always right and that they're always doing the right thing. Take for instance, everyone who shuns people who don't agree with the global warming hype.



See my point?

Yeah, but you can argue the same for any other political party. It isn't as if liberals are the first to think that they're right about everything, or even the loudest about it.

Better to fight for the planet than against a same-sex couple who wants equal rights.

Liberals suck gay gorilla penis.

win.

BOMBS OVER BAGHDADDDDDDDDDDDDD

you can always find reasons to hate either stance.
liberals may be loud mouthed and obnoxious...

but conservatives don't know how to open their minds to the world around them and accept the new beginnings going on.

Whoa whoa cowboy, I'm very open to the world, but very closed to impracticalities. That and stupid.

well i'm all for environmentalism, and peta, and all that... but i don't go around saying "OMGZORZ!!!11!!1111! HUG A TREE AND SAVE THE WHALES!"

:)

I'M IMPARTIAL!

^_^

I don't know...

Honestly, I think both sides have their good stances and both sides have their bad. I'm all for helping the environment out a tad (to a certain point; no picketing with GLOBAL WARMING signs plz) AND homosexual marriage. shrug*

LOL PETA

Didn't they like, slaughter 15,000 animals a couple years back and leave them in a dumpster?

PETA has some f**ked up ways of convincing people to join their so-called animal rights' movement. -_-

Like taking 15,000 to-be-adopted animals and when they aren't adopted within 3 days throwing them all out in a dumpster?

Liberals support a lot of groups because of the "ideas" they support, not the actions they perform.

Yeah, your position really is kind of short-sighted.
The conservatives and the moderates feel exactly the same way, if we're going to speak generally. You just disagree with their positions, which is fine. But, say what you mean. Cause, your argument could be applied to any political group anywhere.

BUT conservatives didn't try to grant amnesty to illegals, and conservatives aren't making all these lame-ass rules that dictate certain aspects of our life. f**king liberals!

I suppose I should have expected you to take the liberal stance. Typically the poorer people take the liberal side, and I can't imagine washing dishes makes much, unless it's some fine ass china or something. I don't have much money either, but I'm hella conservative.

Really? You think so?

So, you disagree with their positions? All you're doing is affirming what we already said. If you want to argue those specific positions, then makes topics for them. Otherwise, this thread is completely useless.



What? Last time I checked this was the point of the legislative branch. Conservatives and liberals both contribute to "lame-ass rules" that "dictate certain aspects of our life." And, if you want to get nitty griddy: The liberals weren't the ones trying to amend the Constitution in order to tell us who we can and cannot marry.



You're so astute.

I do. Just because they call themselves conservative, doesn't make them conservative. Republicans have "conservative leanings", but that doesn't mean they take a conservative stance on everything, nor do they uphold conservative ideals. I'm not backing the republican party. I dislike both the republicans and democrats.

Y'all two are cute :)

Liberals suck.

Yes, we are all perfectly well aware that the Republicans spend just as much as the Democrats.

Nevertheless, I can't imagine how you could seriously believe that conservatives impose fewer restrictions over people's lives. Conservatives are all about f**king with social freedoms. Not all Republicans, no, but you hadn't mentioned them to begin with. Still, gay marriage bans, abortion bans, stem cell research restrictions, are all things that the right strives for, while the left most certainly does not. From a liberal perspective, legalized marijuana makes much more sense, and alcohol should be sold on Sundays because there should actually be a separation between church and state (I don't know what other states that's the case in, but it's definitely still the way in Georgia, as this is such a ridiculously red state).
But liberals make all the "lame-ass rules that dictate our life." Right.

Just because they call themselves liberal, doesn't make them liberal. Democrats have "liberal leanings", but that doesn't mean they take a liberal stance on everything, nor do they uphold liberal ideals. I'm not backing the democratic party. I dislike both the republicans and democrats.

Alright. Can your topic be closed now?

Let me rephrase. Economic liberals suck. I'm all about social liberalism. Mang I wasn't even talking about social things lol.

No it will not be closed Nate, and italics doesn't make it mean something either.

Also I'm not talking about people who call themselves anything. I'm talking about people who are. Anyone can say they're liberal or conservative, republican or democrat. That doesn't make them a liberal, moderate, libertarian, conservative, anarchist, what have you.

I don't know to much about the subject (I'm not a liberal, and it's a very complicated subject if you haven't studied it). Liberals are all about change, but I think that they tend to forget about the future (especially economic liberals). Many of the rules and regulations they tend to brew up make people feel good NOW, but are likely to hurt us later. They aren't investing in the future of the country. They're simply trying to get what they want, when they want it. I think it's lame because eventually they're going to start sacrificing our rights for stupid shit that just isn't necessary. I tend to see them focusing on things that "feel" right, but aren't actually going to help. It seems like conservatives are willing to get their hands dirty.

I definitely lean towards being a conservative, but I don't agree with all of their ideas either. I think that the best thing would be to find a happy median between the two. Trouble is, there are large percentages of people out there that think unnecessary changes are going to help the world become a better place. We need to prioritize, and everyone has a different plan. They're all playing off each other in a giant game of "tug-o-war", and nothing is getting done. Their like a bunch of toddles who are playing with building blocks, building towers with their own blocks, and constantly knocking other towers over.

Fuck, political parties are just so annoying.



You're not even clever by saying this. I don't think that majority of people who are against homosexual marriage "fight" against it. Yes, if the topic comes up in discussion we give our opinions, but this doesn't mean that we go out of our way to start verbal fights with people who disagree with our point of view. I will simply vote against it. Presto!, no fighting, just the flick of a switch or the push of a button. The only people who blow steam are the individuals who are fighting for same-sex marriage.

I think you should change that phrase to, "Better to fight for the planet than for a same-sex couple who wants equal rights." Win.



Gay marriage: I see it as a majority rule and not a conservative stand. I'm a conservative. I will vote no, but when it's legalized I won't have a problem. There is no reason to bitch.

Abortion: is murder in some people's eyes. People have different views on this. It's another majority rule, it just so happens that the majority of conservatives think that murdering a child is wrong.

Stem Cell Research: I personally could care less about this one, it's one area where I agree with you. This should be legalized, but rules should be placed on top of this keep people from harvesting infants.

Marijuana: Ok, all the friends I had in high school that became a friend to Mary Jane are now complete idiots. I don't hang out with them anymore, and they will probably never have lives. Personal experience is more than enough reason to say no to the pot. Yes, even you were become a low life Jeremy.

Alcohol on Sunday: ask all the people who have had their children hit by drunk drivers this question. Having one day a week where liquor stores aren't open is definitely going to effect the number of drunk drivers on the road. Although you could tie this to religion, I don't think you should ban a law if it's clearly doing good for our communities.

Liberal rules and regulations are often selfish, feel-good-NOW-and-f**k-our-future rules. Conservatives are all about majority rule, sucks to be the minority doesn't it.

^Well that's a lie. I think you forget, Josh, the many, many, many arguments you and I have had about different issues, many of them stemming from my support of Homosexuality and your misguided views against it.

As for me, I guess I would call myself an Independent. I have conservative and liberal stances on different issues, and I think that's really the only way to do it right. Anyone who follows what their party says just for the sake of agreeing with the party is an idiot.

I am for the death penalty, and think that the punishments on rape and murder are too lenient. Someone who rapes a child should be put in front of a firing squad, in my opinion.

I don't care about the environment. As long as no dumping of toxic wastes happen in a pond or something my kids swim in, I dont think I will ever care.

Im for abortion and stem cell research. Let a woman choose what to do with her body. And the probabilities of stem cell research are just too great to not proceed with further studies.

I am for Gay rights, let them do what they want. They're not gonna drop trou and just bone on the street, I mean you gay haters are wayyyy too uptight about that. When will you ever see them? If it bothers you that much, move, or just avoid them.

As for economic liberals are concerned, I agree, they are f**king annoying. FUR IS MURDER! If I bought my wife or girlfriend a $2000 fur coat and some hippie bitch threw paint on it, I would beat the living shit out of that chick. I would break her face open, f**k the consequences. But they really arent any more annoying than these assholes you see in front of abortion clinics holding signs, trying to make people feel guilty. Its like "Wow, so this is what you do with your life? You're a f**king loser." Anti-war protestors piss me off, the people who protest the death penalty piss me off, union protests piss me off, protestors in general just piss me off.

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That stupid black guy who does the anti-smoking commercials pisses me off sooooo goddamn much. He is the most retarded little a-hole and I wish death on him. Every single time I turn on the tv, he's like "So in 1962, a tobacco company said this...but OH NO, it was proven wrong. So now in 2007, we're gonna throw it in their face." How about you grow some balls and start attacking the people who are actually smoking, instead of the companies supplying the cigarettes. There is not one person who smokes who the tobacco company went up to and said "YOU HAVE TO SMOKE THIS!!!" And that whole smoking in movies rule is just stupid(I'm refering to a bill they are trying to pass that would make any movie where someone smokes cigarettes rated R). Stop trying to force what you think is right on other people. If people want to smoke, let them f**king smoke.


Dude, do not even compare me to them. Just cause you have a big problem with it doesnt mean everyone has to. I've never gone to work stoned, Ive never gone to school stoned either. If I've had a bad day, which recently has been quite often because I work every weekend and go to school every morning, I'll go home and smoke a little. Im not saying its not wrong, but Im not overdoing it like other people you and I know. If and when I ever smoke during the day, it's when I know for a fact that I have absolutely nothing to do later on, and 95% of the time Im smoking alone in my room before I go to bed. Not walking the streets, not getting arrested, just relaxing after a long day. So again, don't compare me with them.

The last argument we had wasn't about the rights. It was about them being born gay, and before that... I don't even remember. It was at least a year to two years ago. We only fight and bicker because we're friends.

Omg, and the liberal-jackass came up with the smoking in "rated R" movies idea should be slowly cooked over a pit of lava.

That's not even close to what I was saying.

If you really want me to stop calling you an idiot, stop trying to argue with me when you don't even get my point.



You shouldn't have a problem, seeing as it doesn't effect you. Why bother voting against it?

I am perfectly well aware of that, but that isn't what we're discussing in here. Of course it's the position the majority of conservatives take; I am familiar with both sides of the issue, but I disagree. However, it doesn't matter that most conservatives think that, because only the WHOLE majority matters, not just the majority of one sect. Abortion is still legal, and it should stay that way.


"You were become a low life"? Come on, you can do better than that.
Anyway, by legalizing pot, I'm not saying that everyone should suddenly start smoking, but people are doing it regardless, and economically it makes a whole hell of a lot more sense to have it legal, especially from a capitalist perspective. Economic conservatives would probably agree if they didn't enjoy keeping foreign pot out so much.


No, think about it. One day will make absolutely no difference. People can stock up on Saturdays. Therefore, no clear good.