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Global Warming, the real deal, or propaganda? |
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![]() Kimberly ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Member Posts: 1,961 Joined: Apr 2005 Member No: 121,599 ![]() |
With our nation's politics so split, it seems like just as many people that believe in Global Warming think its a lie. What are your views on it? Are we really damaging our Environment with our huge production of carbon dioxide? Or are scientists and enviromentalists simply exaggerating?
I was flipping through my Chemistry book today in class, and found a very interesting section on Global Warming. It's an A Beka Book, published by a Christian college... last updated in 2000. I completely disagree with what the book says, but I thought it'd be interesting to share and debate on. ![]() Global WarmingThat last paragraph scares me the most... the idea that the earth will only cease to exist when God's ready for it to. The first few paragraphs just lead up to global warming... most of the bizzare content is in the last two paragraphs. Agree, or disagree on the book's claims? Discuss. ![]() |
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![]() WarPath Leader. ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Member Posts: 668 Joined: Aug 2005 Member No: 216,721 ![]() |
Yeah some people don't believe it untill its too late, and only then they realise.
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When has it become too late?
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![]() Kimberly ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Member Posts: 1,961 Joined: Apr 2005 Member No: 121,599 ![]() |
^ Well obviously... the longer we wait, the more damage we could possibly be causing. Global Warming isnt reversable.
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But that's not answering my question. He said some people don't listen til it's too late. I asked when has it become too late?
Also rofl @ arguing if Global Warming is or is not reversible. Oh what the hell, here goes. What about global cooling? Is that reversible? It would sure seem that we are no longer cooling. What about that whole deal w/ the earth being considerably hotter a few hundred years ago? It sure would seem as if it were cooler now. Also, who are you to say it is or is not reversible? I'm not attacking you or anything, rather not intending to, but I would like to know where you get your information to back up a statement like that. |
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![]() Kimberly ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Member Posts: 1,961 Joined: Apr 2005 Member No: 121,599 ![]() |
^ Oh, I know you're not attacking me. You're right, the earth probably does go through cycles. But chances are we're damaging it. Can a smoker reverse the damage they've done to their lungs? No they cant. That's just how I look at it. We cant reverse the damage we've already done.
I dont think it'll really ever be too late, but better to act now than later. |
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But the earth is full of living organisms, and isn't a living organism itself. Sure "global warming" may damage things but they can die and have things just regrow in it's place. Damage can easily be reversed *shrug*
Forests get cut down all the time, only to be replanted. This actually helps to sequester carbon, as the younger trees absorb considerably more carbon than older ones. Also the more stuff we throw away, the more carbon we sequester. Landfills are a great source of sequestered carbon. |
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![]() Hi, Im Brook. ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Member Posts: 1,774 Joined: Mar 2007 Member No: 508,383 ![]() |
I definitely believe that global warming exists. People who think it doesn't have probably been somewhat brainwashed (for lack of a better word). I've read that there's been evidence of global warming ever since factories started growing in great numbers during the Industrial Revolution, and temperatures nowadays are significantly warmer than they're supposed to be. They have been for the past several years. Global warming is not a lie. I agree 110%. |
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![]() Kimberly ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Member Posts: 1,961 Joined: Apr 2005 Member No: 121,599 ![]() |
^ Dont bother posting if you're not going to contribute to the debate.
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![]() Jake - The Unholy Trinity / Premiscuous Poeteer. ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Member Posts: 1,272 Joined: May 2006 Member No: 411,316 ![]() |
With our nation's politics so split, it seems like just as many people that believe in Global Warming think its a lie. What are your views on it? Are we really damaging our Environment with our huge production of carbon dioxide? Or are scientists and enviromentalists simply exaggerating? I was flipping through my Chemistry book today in class, and found a very interesting section on Global Warming. It's an A Beka Book, published by a Christian college... last updated in 2000. I completely disagree with what the book says, but I thought it'd be interesting to share and debate on. ![]() Global WarmingThat last paragraph scares me the most... the idea that the earth will only cease to exist when God's ready for it to. The first few paragraphs just lead up to global warming... most of the bizzare content is in the last two paragraphs. Agree, or disagree on the book's claims? Discuss. ![]() HAHAHAHA. I remember reading that. We had that curriculum for school. GAY! |
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![]() in the reverb chamber. ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Staff Alumni Posts: 4,022 Joined: Nov 2005 Member No: 300,308 ![]() |
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Lol @ Kyoto. Why cripple the United States economy when other huge industrial countries are labeled as "developing" and are exempt?
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![]() pyrobeastilnecrophilaic ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Member Posts: 217 Joined: Aug 2007 Member No: 562,974 ![]() |
Global warming is evident, whether you choose to beleive it or not, and it will affect you in some way or another
Temperature changes are becoming radical Nature itself is changing, due to the growing increase of warm weather such as, ocean tides, rising humidity, and seals. YES seals. Seals are dying off because the fish are going furhter and further out to cold water, and seals live near the coast. Also, more animal species are dying off as well. South pole penguins such as the emperor penguin are dying off not only because their food source is becoming harder to find, but because the temperature in the SOUTH POLE is rising. Emperor penguins are adapted to COLD temperatures, not warm. lets not forget about Venus either. If we look at Venus, we can tell that their is an obvious greenhouse affect. Plenty of gas, plenty of warm air. perhaps Venus was once like Earth, and it slowly heated up over hundreds of years? I bet Earth well end up like Venus in about five hundred years or more -_-" |
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![]() I am not afraid, I was born for this. ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Official Member Posts: 805 Joined: Aug 2007 Member No: 565,063 ![]() |
I think it will eventually happen.
But not to the point where it'd kill us? or maybe. I don't know..... |
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Global warming is evident, whether you choose to beleive it or not, and it will affect you in some way or another Temperature changes are becoming radical Nature itself is changing, due to the growing increase of warm weather such as, ocean tides, rising humidity, and seals. YES seals. Seals are dying off because the fish are going furhter and further out to cold water, and seals live near the coast. Also, more animal species are dying off as well. South pole penguins such as the emperor penguin are dying off not only because their food source is becoming harder to find, but because the temperature in the SOUTH POLE is rising. Emperor penguins are adapted to COLD temperatures, not warm. lets not forget about Venus either. If we look at Venus, we can tell that their is an obvious greenhouse affect. Plenty of gas, plenty of warm air. perhaps Venus was once like Earth, and it slowly heated up over hundreds of years? I bet Earth well end up like Venus in about five hundred years or more -_-" Wow, you must be a far left democrat who worships satan while scrubbing your corns of your feet with a rubber duckie. Global Warming isn't deniable. It isn't caused by us. It's NATURAL. It's been happening for quite some time. Look, 500 years ago the Chinese sailed through the damn northern passage. There was no ice there! There is there now. What's that say? It got colder. Now it's getting warmer. Regardless, it's still considerably colder now than it was 500 years back. Also, regarding the whole monitoring temperature and CO2 levels. Wow, they've monitored CO2 for 30 years, plenty of evidence to deduce that the earth is going into peril. I mean, it clearly shows that this is the highest it's ever been in earth's 6.5 BILLION years of existence. Wow, temperature readings for 100 years? Almost as bad as CO2. You know, geologists and other scientists have discovered that during the medieval times, temperatures were about 5 degrees warmer than right now? Clearly the republicans fault. |
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![]() Jake - The Unholy Trinity / Premiscuous Poeteer. ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Member Posts: 1,272 Joined: May 2006 Member No: 411,316 ![]() |
Actually, they can. The body has amazing rejuvenating abilities. ![]() Haha. I find it amazing how some people try to argue about something they don't even know about. I mean, I might do it, but I give up knowing full well I can't go on. So, Kimmytree...you just got served, bitch! ![]() ![]() To Everyone - - - Global warming is gay. That's my scientific output on this. Are you gonna go burn down all the factories? Then shut the fuck up, because when you sit here and talk about it to a bunch of fucking fifteen year olds, it makes you look a little bit dumber. QUOTE Also, regarding the whole monitoring temperature and CO2 levels. Wow, they've monitored CO2 for 30 years, plenty of evidence to deduce that the earth is going into peril. I mean, it clearly shows that this is the highest it's ever been in earth's 6.5 BILLION years of existence. Alright, let's keep this neurtral. 6.5 billion and 6 thousand years. That's what you have to say for now on. It's only fair. Like the guidelines say.... QUOTE Please remember, not everyone thinks like you. People have their ways of thinking and perspectives. Let's respect each other's thoughts and responses. ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
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Haha. I find it amazing how some people try to argue about something they don't even know about. I mean, I might do it, but I give up knowing full well I can't go on. So, Kimmytree...you just got served, bitch! ![]() ![]() To Everyone - - - Global warming is gay. That's my scientific output on this. Are you gonna go burn down all the factories? Then shut the fuck up, because when you sit here and talk about it to a bunch of fucking fifteen year olds, it makes you look a little bit dumber. Alright, let's keep this neurtral. 6.5 billion and 6 thousand years. That's what you have to say for now on. It's only fair. Like the guidelines say.... ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Hey Jake, I'm going to buy some aerosol cans and spray them outside later today. You can come if you're interested. I bought about 30,000 of them. I'm going to burn some tires and oil to. |
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![]() Clearly global warming. |
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![]() no u ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Member Posts: 135 Joined: Sep 2005 Member No: 237,372 ![]() |
Yeah, because the number of fatalities is definitely dependent on global temperature and totally a sign that hurricanes were much higher in frequency years ago before we polluted everything, and not the random chance a storm happened upon a population center ill prepared for it. Global warming is such a myth.
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I never said Global Warming was a myth numbnuts.
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![]() Lover ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Member Posts: 77 Joined: Mar 2005 Member No: 117,184 ![]() |
There was global warning before we even existed, we have some to do with it, but Al Gore is an idiot, to many flaws in his theory.
Him getting the Nobel peace prize was ridiculous. |
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![]() Senior Member ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Member Posts: 295 Joined: May 2007 Member No: 521,658 ![]() |
pfft what are you talking about!? global warming is a load of crap. if anything there has been a mild climate change. just look at our weather, see how normal it's been these last years? i mean, when has the earth ever been more unpolluted? I’m gonna keep driving my hummer and you know why? Cuz i know for a fact that as long as this global warming thing isn’t taken seriously by our government, I don’t have to take it seriously either!
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![]() I'm Jc ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Mentor Posts: 13,619 Joined: Jul 2006 Member No: 437,556 ![]() |
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![]() ..Michelle ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Member Posts: 1,002 Joined: Feb 2004 Member No: 3,282 ![]() |
^ Read this: http://www.canadafreepress.com/2006/harris061206.htm
And this: QUOTE Americans will be interested to read that an English High Court judge has ruled Gore’s famous film contains nine key factual errors, and should only be shown in schools with guidance notes to prevent ‘political indoctrination’.
It’s worth repeating the ‘nine errors’ identified by Judge Michael Burton: 1. Mr Gore claims that a sea-level rise of up to 20 feet would be caused by melting of either West Antarctica or Greenland “in the near future”. The judge said: “This is distinctly alarmist and part of Mr Gore’s “wake-up call”. He agreed that if Greenland melted it would release this amount of water - “but only after, and over, millennia”.”The Armageddon scenario he predicts, insofar as it suggests that sea level rises of seven metres might occur in the immediate future, is not in line with the scientific consensus.” 2. The film claims that low-lying inhabited Pacific atolls “are being inundated because of anthropogenic global warming” but the judge ruled there was no evidence of any evacuation having yet happened. 3. The documentary speaks of global warming “shutting down the Ocean Conveyor” - the process by which the Gulf Stream is carried over the North Atlantic to western Europe. Citing the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), the judge said that it was “very unlikely” that the Ocean Conveyor, also known as the Meridional Overturning Circulation, would shut down in the future, though it might slow down. 4. Mr Gore claims that two graphs, one plotting a rise in C02 and the other the rise in temperature over a period of 650,000 years, showed “an exact fit”. The judge said that, although there was general scientific agreement that there was a connection, “the two graphs do not establish what Mr Gore asserts”. 5. Mr Gore says the disappearance of snow on Mt Kilimanjaro was directly attributable to global warming, but the judge ruled that it scientists have not established that the recession of snow on Mt Kilimanjaro is primarily attributable to human-induced climate change. 6. The film contends that the drying up of Lake Chad is a prime example of a catastrophic result of global warming but the judge said there was insufficient evidence, and that “it is apparently considered to be far more likely to result from other factors, such as population increase and over-grazing, and regional climate variability.” 7. Mr Gore blames Hurricane Katrina and the consequent devastation in New Orleans on global warming, but the judge ruled there was “insufficient evidence to show that”. 8. Mr Gore cites a scientific study that shows, for the first time, that polar bears were being found after drowning from “swimming long distances - up to 60 miles - to find the ice” The judge said: “The only scientific study that either side before me can find is one which indicates that four polar bears have recently been found drowned because of a storm.”That was not to say there might not in future be drowning-related deaths of bears if the trend of regression of pack ice continued - “but it plainly does not support Mr Gore’s description”. 9. Mr Gore said that coral reefs all over the world were being bleached because of global warming and other factors. Again citing the IPCC, the judge agreed that, if temperatures were to rise by 1-3 degrees centigrade, there would be increased coral bleaching and mortality, unless the coral could adapt. However, he ruled that separating the impacts of stresses due to climate change from other stresses, such as over-fishing, and pollution was difficult. |
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![]() I'm Jc ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Mentor Posts: 13,619 Joined: Jul 2006 Member No: 437,556 ![]() |
way to ruin it! i wanted to know if SHE would actually tell some.
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To start off, Global Warming is happening, and it's not going to stop no matter what we do. We don't cause it, yada yada, all natural w/e. Anyways, more info for me to add:
Global warming, if it melts the ice, will cool the earth down. It will release all that colder water which will disrupt the flow of such streams like the Gulf Stream. These streams will be disrupted in the sense that the warm water will not be able to travel as far north or south, and certain areas of the globe WILL get colder. Ice reforms etc etc, and it spreads, earth isn't going to be a big ball of fire. If the ocean's going to rise, it will rise 3 feet over 100 years. That's approximately 1/1100th of an inch per day. OH NOES WERE GOING TO DROWN AND NOT SEE IT COMING! Global warming has been the cause to many species making comebacks, namely polar bears and certain whales. Observers have measured 3% increases in their population, annually. Also coral reefs such as the Great Barrier Reef are expanding, growing, and expanding some more. OH NOES GLOBAL WARMING IS KILLING OUR OCEANS! THESE REEFS WHICH ACT AS A HUGE CARBON SINK AND PREVENTION OF EROSION ARE BAD! That's all for now. |
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