The parts that haven't been repeated over and over again in this thread ad nauseum.
That's all I meant.




Masculinity isn't cool.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

You f**kin pussy. You got told, just admit it. You realized that what you said was retarded and now can't defend it anymore without sounding even more gay.
P.S. I was never for the war, not even in those few weeks after 9/11 when everyone went revenge crazy and wanted to just smoke motherf**kers. But the difference between you and me Nate is that I understand the need for war and you have filled your head with so much anti-establishment bullshit that you can't recognize anything anymore. Do I want the troops home? Absolutely. But I understand they have a job to do. So while they do theirs, you do yours. scrub scrub scrub

Then have yourself neutered. I don't like the idea of your future children effecting society.

Hey hey now. As much as one might want to bash, let's refrain in here for the sake of debate. Thanks :)

You suck.

Alright, after looking at a bunch of your comments, I see that every one is ignorant of the mentality of soldiers. Some people say they don't want to be over there and some say they do. Sure, there are those that don't and those that do, but like Steven said...they should anticipate that we could go to war or conflict at anytime. It comes with the territory.

Soldiers are trained to kill. It's their job. We've all got that established. Their taught how to take down the enemy during any situation. It's kill or be killed. There's no room for guilt or a conscience during time of battle. In our society, it's not in the norm for some one to just go kill another person, unless they are a murderer. But, we're talking about a normal US citizen. How is it that you've got those US citizens able to kill with ease, without question, now that they have become soldiers?

Like I said, you really can't just a situation with out knowing all the details. How are you going to judge a person if you don't understand their logic?

Oh, and NoSex...you know what? It's those people that are trained to kill strangers that allow you to bash them. Without a standing army, our country would go to ruins. We live in a world where security is a prime issue, and we need an army to survive.

Also, this is annoying me alot. We are not over in the Middle East for oil. We don't even get most of our oil from over there. We get it from Canada and Central America. I don't know why everyone is under the impression that we only get oil from over there.

I didnt read the rest of the debate but i do have a bit of an opinion on the topic since my best friends are in the military, I am in the military and we were all raised in the military setting. The military is why we are all still living, I was unaware of this at a younger age and one day made a comment to my parents "I hate the navy" my mother said if it weren't for the navy I wouldn't be around....which made me think. If we didnt have a standing military of some sort we would be in ruins. off that topic and onto the war I have a good friend and he is infantry in the marines...you know why he does that job? he likes to blow things up seriously! thats why most guy do go that route. They like to see fire that they made; hell I would love that feeling too. But when he comes back he will be a whole different person and he already knows that. I am probably off topic and thats because i have one too many opinions on the topic. I love the military and I love my country too. what we I hate is the politics thats are invovled...and the reason they can shoot people they dont know is because guess what they would die if they didnt not only they also take themselves out of the situation so they can do it....


I probably more to say but i'm stopping here....

The "War in Iraq" has nothing to do with security, freedom, or survival.
Are you people dense?

It actually has a lot to do with those. We got rid of a dictator, and now trying to establish a free government. We are there for security and the survival of the country.

Might as well invade every oppressed and or repressed third world country, huh?
Wanna police the globe? Rock and roll?

The worse thing a citizen can do is bash their own country, blame their country for its problems (when they can vote on issues, which most ppl dont do anymore), and demoralize their military

I strongly beleive that when a country's own citizens start saying how we shouldnt be in the middle east, how the battles should'nt be fought since it's not going to do anything in the future, and that their is no purpose for being there, that tehy are demoralizing the troops.

What military person wouldnt feel demoralized when their own country see's no purpose for their death? That their is no reason to be there even though they are scarificing a year or more from their home, family, and loved ones?

Any third world country who attacks America.
Im glad to see that America actually took a stand against a dictator who probably would have gone even further if we didnt do anything in the beginning.
That is what happened with Hitler after he began attacking surronding European countries....no one did anything, and he killed thousands of people and began a war. Nobody tried to take a stand in his earlier actions and the world payed a heavy price.

They didn't attack us, yet...

Unless you want to link things by several degrees of separation.


Okay, so I was seeing the other day that there was news of the US troops leaving Iraq. Too bad everone's going to think it's because people came to their right mind and are getting the hell out of that shit hole. What they'll fail to realize is that they're leaving because what they've been doing is working. The Iraqis have amassed an army of, I think, 125 thousand troops. The troops are going to leave incrimentaly if it looks like the Iraqi army has things under wrap.

True Jake, we don't get most of our oil from Iraq, but we will soon enough. Think about this for a second. Imagine a world where gas costs $.85 a gallon, to fill your tank would cost only about $10-15. Imagine a world without those goddamn hibrid cars. Also imagine if you will a country who's militarial morale is boosted from having a victory for once. Our last real victory was in WW2 and we had to drop nuclear bombs to do it. America is no longer the superpower it once was with the greatest military in the world. Sure, we may have the best weapons, but what does that amount to when faced against people who would gladly die for their beliefs and their country.
The golden age of America came right after WW2 when many people were happiest. Then came Vietnam which destroyed our belief in our country as this immaculate perfection of all that can and should be in a country. So while we may be there now trying to set up Democracy, we will stay there for the main purpose of the oil to try and bring back some remnant memory of a country that people supported and were happy to come from.

Do you really think they are going to bring the troops home by december?
Not going to happen...
I got a letter from my friend Iraq and he said when they heard that was being said they laughed.....
I know from experience when the "higher ups" say something don't believe it until it actually happens.



and the oil thing nice try but it will never happen. You have to factor human emotion.

Who mentioned december?

It's what is going around, like I said I have friends there and I am also in the military.

If I may ask, what branch of the military? What's your mos? Rank? Stationed where?

Anyways, according to this CNN thing, it's august 08.
http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/03/08/dem...iraq/index.html
I know CNN is a load of crap, but if someone's going to have a rumor of when the troops will be pulled out, it will be CNN.

if you must know intel, e-4 and I guess if we all relied on CNN we'ld know it all too

We do have the best weapons
I think that amunts to a lot. After all, I'd feel really secure if I knew that our country had better weapons than the enemy.
common sense

More importantly however, is your pissimistic comment. At my college, all the marines that are their are proud of their country. In fact, they fought in the middle east.
Are you assuming that our soldiers have no passion for their country? If so, you have absolutly no right to make such a comment, since from viewing your earlier posts in this thread and others all I can see is an individual who has no passion or hope for America.
if not, well, I agree with your comment to a certain extent. In <b>modern wars</b> as in from the cold war forward, hope and passion for a country does not save you.

^ Well, lets see. We have the best weapons, true. But we suck at guerilla warfare. We're horrible actually. High grade weapons dont amount to shit when we've got kids planting road side bombs and women hiding mortars under their berkas. You should feel safe that we have the best weapons. That means that we are very well defended at home, in this country. So we really have nothing to worry about as far as another country invading us. But when we invade other countries, we lose obviously the home field advantage and we lose the divide of enemy and civilian. We cannot open fire in a crowded street because we would kill innocent people. Our extremist enemies seem to have no problem suicide bombing public places though. We have all these nuclear weapons and WMDs, but what do they mean if we can never f**kin use them? They mean absolutely nothing. Their our insurance at home. This country spent so much time and money on insuring a country that was already militarily safe would be even more safe than they did training our soldiers in new ways of combat. Weapons will not win this war, strategy and proper training will.

i will agree when you say that we are at a disadvantage when it comes to fighting in another country. We have all these fucking rules we have to follow. People put so much value on human life. Even on the lives of people who probably don't even deserve to live. It ridiculous.

Like those naked Iraqi dudes that were stacked on top of each other a couple years ago. People were "up in arms" over that shit. Truth is, if those guys weren't tied up in that prison, if those guys weren't being stacked on top of each other, if those guys weren't wearing cloths then they probably would have been wearing bombs and killing civilians anyways.

I hate fucking pacifists and idealists. All they have a fucking dreams that can never exist. When will they learn that the world will never be a perfect place. People are selfish, and if you give them an inch they'll take a mile. Wake the fuck up people, there are times when war is needed. Freedom isn't free, it never was. There are times when people have to die.

People are so fucking touchy about the dumbest shit.

Where are you stationed? What's your MOS? What branch?

They were advocates though.

And to Josh and Jeremy. No crap we're at a disadvantage when it come to fighting in another country. Especially when everyone pretty much blends together and we don't know who the enemy is.

Also, to Jeremy and Josh. We have the best military. Who else competes? I mean, the only country that I can think of is England, and they are on our side. Where do you think the Taliban got their training from? America. So, in reality, we know what they are going to do.

Our tactics and stragedies are so much more sophisticated than theirs. Man power really doesn't mean anything anymore. Just security. Most of the soldiers over in the Middle East don't even see combat. Most of the ones who do are usually Special Forces. They are the first ones it to make sure everything is clear and safe to enter.

Take a little pride in your country, damnit.