Affirmative was created way back when to help blacks get back on their feet etc etc. Now it seems a lot of races use it as a crutch, assuming that because they're a minority that they'll get preferential treatment and that if they don't then it's racism. It was supposed to have just faded away as things became more and more equal, but lo and behold, it's still here.

Anyone think it should stay? What are your reasons?

If you think that it was a serious post, then you're just a fucking idiot. Also, attacking my grammar skills will not add to your side of the debate. You're just wasting your time.



What kind of moron would use a self-righteous acronym if he was making an attempt to be serious in a debate. If you didn't get the hint of sarcasm from that post, I'll spell it out for you:

YOU'RE F**KING IGNORANT IF YOU THOUGHT THAT WAS SERIOUS.

Affirmative Action doesn't help people. Affirmative Action is one of the most racist bills in the history of the United States. Why should anyone receive special treatment because of their race. Unless it's a medical issue caused by characteristics in a certain race, I don't think they should be treated any different.

Affirmative Action treats people different based upon their minority status. It gives minorities an advantage in job market, education, and many government programs. Why should I have to suffer loosing a job to someone who is less qualified than I am just because of the color of their skin? Why should I be subject to being discriminated when applying to colleges just because of their sex? Why should I be subject to discrimination when applying for financial aid just because that person (hypothetically speaking) has darker skin than I do?

Do you think it's fair for people to discriminate against white people? That's what affirmative action does. Just about any action that gives an advantage to individuals based upon race is discriminatory. I don't like affirmative action because I'm being discriminated against. It gives other races an unfair advantage over me. How come treating white people different isn't considered racist?

As for suggesting that I'm racist. If anything, you're the racist fuck for supporting shit like this. Are you racist? Are you supporting laws that separate people by race? I know I'm not.

Why don't you grow up and learn to joke around you fucking idiot.

LOL

On a lighter note, i found a word for the letter "L". Lovely. :D

^I disagree. I think many people who have jobs right now and have actually made something of themselves wouldnt be in that position today were it not for A.A.(Not Alcoholics Anonymous you scunts, though I guess it works both ways).
I think that ALL Gangsters in the world are useless pieces of shit. I think that gangsters, whether they be Black or Latin or Asian are really the ones who take advantage of Affirmative Action. I think that minorities(which is really a dumb term at this point, seeing as how there are more "minorities" than whites these days) who are having trouble getting a good job benefit from this and thats definitely a good thing. Its a statistical fact that whites get jobs much much easier than blacks or hispanios(new word). Not only jobs but college acceptance and other thingies of that nature. Should a hispanio who scored less on a entrance exam get the job/acceptance over a caucasian who scored better? No, absolutely not. But if they are equal, why not give the Blacko's the job. Honky McGee will get another job easier than a sheephead(another new racist term for blacks). Sure, you might not believe that, but I know from my job that we've hired about one charcoal-babies for every eight marshmallow skins. We're not racist, we're ...selective. We choose people who would fit in with our little group of pale-skinned roundeyes. So no, I dont think that A.A. is racist against whities, I think they should shut the F@*$)#$*@* up because they've peaked already with the milkman and the Leave it to Beaver. Now its the blacks turn with the drugs and the BET and the Ice Cube movies. In a few years, it'll be the rice-eaters turn with all the technology coming out of that radioactive island of theirs.
The last to peak will be hispanios, we never get our break, unless you count that two year shit with Ricky Martin and J-Lo. But NOOOO we couldn't have our turn. Eminem had to come and f**k it up you goddamn traitor, you didnt even help your side!!

Fuck you Jeremy,

it's unfortunate that Racism exists, but the laws that separate honkies from chinks and niggas from spics are only making it worse. Affirmative Action is a short term investment. While it does sound good to help out these people right now, we aren't thinking about their future. This is a law that will encourage people to see people of a different race or sex as different. This is a law that encourages Racism in the long run. This is a law that will continue to widen the invisible gap or glass ceiling that separates the sheep-head from the skinhead.

Jeremy, you have bad grammar. Go kill yourself. The milkman wasn't always white. There were black and white milkmen. Leave it to Beaver sucked ass.

You know, the white are even better at getting the most kills in a single attack.

Whites - Hiroshima : 140,000
Middle Easterns - 9/11 : 2,752
Asians - Pearl harbor : 2,350
Spanish - The Alamo : 183
African Americans - Gangsta Warz : Fifty-cent got hit with nine bullets and didn't die. Black people hired white men to kill Biggie Smalls.
British - Are always being attacked



LOL, I'm sure they don't. I don't think that affirmative action was put into play out of mockery or pity to begin with. I was clearly joking around. xD

I do however believe that it promotes racism.

hahahahahaha
well, you know you just might be the funniest person I've ever talked to!

Me being an asian chick I think we should keep it. Think about it, I am from Southeast Asia with brown skin. Do you think some college in New York will accept me with the whole post9-11 bias against my skin color? No they wouldn't if there wasn't an AA. Some schools here in the south are red necks and do you think they would accept a female or a colored person same here in the work place.

If colleges were even being biased about that, they would discriminate against males much more than females. You shouldn't need AA to get into a college. It's a crutch that says, "I wasn't smart enough so I had to use my skin color to get me in".

So much for all men are created equally.

OH yeah ;] FUCK YEAH AMERICA!!!!

Even if he's joking, he's still implying that affirmative action is a policy of sympathy. My previous post argues against this belief.

The colleges don't see you...it's not like you send in a picture or something. Don't mark your race down if you're that worried, but you shouldn't be...being Asian helps you more than anything.

yeah, she's not kidding. I marked my race as Asian so I could get into college.

ok... i'm aware that my opinion is most likely going to make some waves, people are going to get all bent out of shape, and i'll most likely be labelled as a racist... NOTE THIS: i really don't care...

i believe that affirmative action is a complete and utter misuse of the system... i was under the impression that america was all about "the best man for the job"... i always thought that the person who is MOST qualified should get the job... affirmative action is spitting in the face of that... two people take a civil service exam, one guy scores an 85% and the other guy scores a 90%... who should get the job? the 90%, right? common sense says YES! unfortunately, because of affirmative action, if the 85% is a black guy, they give him the job... i'm sorry, but that's just RETARDED! i was under the impression that "african-americans" just wanted to be "equal" and people should just "ignore the color of someone's skin"... well... those statements completely contradict their actions... 3/4 of my family came to america from ireland... should i hunt down the rich family that made my ancestors indentured servants and demand reparations? i think that if you cry for equality, then you should live equally to everyone else... this country is f**ked up enough as it is without it's own people raping it as well

Agree

i don't think anyone is really disagreeing with that.
i think the argument for affirmative action though is what about when the black guy makes a 90 and the white guy makes an 85, but the white guy gets the job because because he's white.

i don't really agree with affirmative action either, but i see why people do

if everyone got treated equally, we wouldn't have any problems, but they don't

that's a good point, but it doesn't happen often enough anymore to make a sound argument for AA... unless it's in the deep south... and then i feel like they should know better... some places aren't going to change... so common sense says, stay away from those places... the world's always going to be a little racist... it's just how much people are willing to admit it... everyone (except for mother teresa and her little wannabes) has a prejudice... based on history, location, family upbringing, whatever... it's all about who's secure enough to admit it... i just really hate when people pull the race card to get what they think they deserve... sometimes it really comes down to, "you just aren't qualified enough"... take a breath and try somewhere else... don't cry about how you didn't get it cuz of your race... that's such a copout

its 100% dependent on the situation and people involved. sometimes they are just little cry babies, and sometimes there's racism involved. i don't think we can accurately say how often racism affects it, and it happens everywhere, not just the south. and i know we've already gone over that this thread is about race...but affirmative action ISNT just race, it's gender as well, and i think that discrimination happens just as much, if not more, than by race. u wouldn't wanna lose a job to me simply because im a man and you're a woman, and i wouldn't wanna lose a job to u because your white and im black. sometimes though i think that happens without someone intending to be racist or sexist, i don't think they realize they are choosing one over the other based on something like that.

geez
i don't know, i really don't know
sometimes i think AA seems ridiculous, but sometimes i don't, can't make up my mind for sure.



that made me chuckle

i'm glad... i can't manage to be too serious for very long... it's true to an extent though... there are these people out there (my grandmother being one of them) that refuses to acknowledge the fact that she's a little bit prejudice... i mean c'mon! the woman grew up in the bronx... she says things that are clearly biased and then denies having a prejudice... people try too hard to overcome something that is too ingrained in them and they end up just looking rediculous... if you're a racist, sexist, whatever, just own up to it, if you can't change it, then own it...

yes, but forcing people to treat others with inequality will just make it worse.


The only things that will ever end racism:

- Edjucation and Time
- Genocide

true story there! as for the end of racism... i don't know how much time people need, but it's seems like if almost 2 centuries hasn't helped, i don't know how much one can count on that... and education clearly isn't helping that much... so... i vote genocide! it worked for hitler right?

Racism and Discrimination are going to be around no matter what we do. It's not like the world is the Matrix and we can hit everyone at the same time with the ability to realize that turning someone down for a job because of their ethnicity/skin color or gender is a really dumb thing to do.

At one point, Affirmative Action was definitely necessary, if for the simple fact that Southerners are idiots and refuse to change. However, it's been so misused and misapplied in recent years, that it has out lived its usefulness.

I look at it this way, if we remove AA and we have stupid pricks who choose to discriminate against someone for one reason or another, sue their asses. We have a decent enough civil court system where you could take them for a few million or possibly everything they own and will ever own.

From what I know about Affirmative Action, it only works if you're proven to be qualified and discrimination is evident. It has nothing to do with lowering standards because of skin color. It also works in a situation where a white person would be the minority. So it works both ways.

You do realize that AA has set quotas by the government in the work place where they have to hire x amount of non-white employees, if they have a certain amount of employees or more, right? I've always been under the ideas of a libertarian government would be what I liked best, where the government didn't intervene in anything that wasn't necessary for the nations well being and safety.

Yes yes, it did work for Hitler... until we came in and fucked it all up!!

Same with HBCU's and predominantly non-white companies. They give minority scholarships for whites. My cousin graduated from the prestigious Morehouse College on a full scholarship..and went on to Wharton to get an M.B.A. They only have to hire x amount of "minority" employees in order to get extra perks like extra funding.

hahahHahaHahhahahhahahHhAHAHAHHahHhHa, at least me and Jeremy aren't serious. XD

GREAT DEBATE AT LAST! Just wanted to say that.

Sooooo ... continue folks.