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Enslavement of Blacks. . .the worse?
1angel3
post Aug 10 2007, 08:50 PM
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I don't know way people compare Black Slavery and the Holocaust, they're not the same. Slavery was more of an lobar thing and the Holocaust was more of an ethnic cleansing. My friend said Holocaust is worse because they didn't get feed. Why would they feed them, they was trying to wipe out the whole Jewish race.

You can't compare them.
 
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post Aug 10 2007, 09:44 PM
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QUOTE(brooklyneast05 @ Aug 10 2007, 09:06 PM) *
i disagree sir

what u've "seen and heard" is wrong then. ive never acted like black people are the only ones who suffered. i don't know any black people who think that nobody else in history has suffered. black people in america talk about black slavery more yes...americans in general talk about black slavery more, because its in our countries history. if we were in a different country, we'd probably be more concerned with slavery in that country.

u still see people who are making fun of jews. i still people making fun of jews, mexicans, black people, asians, irish, EVERYONE STILL GETS MADE FUN OF. it's just how it is when u have ignorant people saying ignorant things. u should watch out, because u sound like one of them, the way u generalize a whole race and say that we are all complaining about how we've suffered more, when that's not the case. individuals complain and say things like that maybe, but the whole african american race doesn't.

i think jews and african americas felt a lot of similar things. both were treated awfully. i don't think any african american denies the fact that the jews suffered, or think that black slavery was "worse". i really have no clue where u get that idea


i agree...i believe that the enslavement of african americans probably isn't discussed as much in other nations because those countries have their own issues that make their history...the enslavement of african americans and other races cannot be compared to the holocaust.
 
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post Aug 10 2007, 11:34 PM
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QUOTE(1angel3 @ Aug 10 2007, 08:50 PM) *
I don't know way people compare Black Slavery and the Holocaust, they're not the same. Slavery was more of an lobar thing and the Holocaust was more of an ethnic cleansing. My friend said Holocaust is worse because they didn't get feed. Why would they feed them, they was trying to wipe out the whole Jewish race.

You can't compare them.


Well, if you're bent on comparing, then look up Jewish enslavements before the Holocaust.

Anywho, I don't see why anyone's comparing...who cares what's worse? They're all pretty damn bad, and it would be great if there wasn't any at all.
 
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post Aug 11 2007, 12:47 AM
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QUOTE(Claudel @ Aug 10 2007, 07:44 PM) *
brownsugar and steven, you both have your points and i got em perfectly, but from what i've seen and heard, "Afro-Americans" always threated any kind of this matter to the highest level like they were the only ones whom have suffered and they are the only race that have been disavantaged(sp?) in every way possible. I still see people whom are making fun of Jews, but i doubt any of them knows even a small piece of Jews history, and all things that happen to em during the ages, i bet none of the "Afro-Americans" ever felt what the Jews felt, where slavery is just a piece of cake. And the thing about Jews was only an example, also they don't call Jews white, they call em JEWS, if you get my point.

If they want to scream about the slavery, let them. Afterall, it is their race that was enslaved. If the Jews don't want to make any fuss about it, well, so be it. Everyone's got their reaction to every situation. I don't agree though, when 'slavery' becomes an excuse to being a failure in life.

You still see people who make fun of Jews? So what? People make fun of EVERY race, like it or not. It's what we call ... life.

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i bet none of the "Afro-Americans" ever felt what the Jews felt, where slavery is just a piece of cake.

YOU BET? Where YOU enslaved? Was your mouth padlocked? Please, can with quit comparing the Holocaust to the Black slavery as they are both different crimes to humanity. NONE is worse.
 
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post Aug 11 2007, 05:06 AM
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Have the Americans tried to wipeout the entire "Afro-Americans" ? NO, they just used them to work their lands and others things like that, THAT's why YOU CANNOT COMPARE HOLOCAUST with Black slavery, and that's why i've said that Slavery was pretty much a "piece of cake"(figure of speech) compared to the Holocaust.

Dunno who saw the movie Blood Diamond, in that one is shown that the enslavement is made by the same race, and its pretty much similar with what happen in the past... isn't it?

And second i guess its my bad, you got the wrong things out of what i've posted because generally my English sux.
 
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post Aug 11 2007, 09:59 AM
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QUOTE(Claudel @ Aug 11 2007, 05:06 AM) *
THAT's why YOU CANNOT COMPARE HOLOCAUST with Black slavery, and that's why i've said that Slavery was pretty much a "piece of cake"(figure of speech) compared to the Holocaust.


then why did u?
ur the one who was comparing them and telling us that no african american has ever felt that, and what a piece of cake one is compared to the other. nobody in this thread had said anything about black slavery being worse than the holocaust



 
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post Aug 11 2007, 02:48 PM
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I would just like to point that comparing the Holocaust to slavery in America is slightly relevant. Considering that many of the concentration camps WERE free labor camps, it was a form of "slavery" since they were not really being paid, and they had no more freedom than dogs, kind of like how the Africans were treated in slavery.

The difference comes to the fact that the Holocaust was an attempt to wipe out a certain type of people (which resulted in mass killings) whereas American slavery was an attempt to get cheap, free labor.
 
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Michelle, when I say compare, I mean trying to prove that one is worse than the other. It is completely irrelevant and an insult to those who were enslaved and killed. Jewish or Black or whatever.
Comparing is just another childish game of my great grand parents suffered more than yours. Utterly disgusting and ignorant.

Crimes to humanity should never be compared.
 
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post Aug 11 2007, 02:57 PM
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Yeah slavery and the Holocaust have their similarities but I wouldn't compare them.


QUOTE(ersatz @ Aug 10 2007, 08:34 PM) *
Well, if you're bent on comparing, then look up Jewish enslavements before the Holocaust.

Anywho, I don't see why anyone's comparing...who cares what's worse? They're all pretty damn bad, and it would be great if there wasn't any at all.


Ok I will and I agree.
 
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QUOTE(Sandraaa @ Aug 11 2007, 01:53 PM) *
Michelle, when I say compare, I mean trying to prove that one is worse than the other. It is completely irrelevant and an insult to those who were enslaved and killed. Jewish or Black or whatever.
Comparing is just another childish game of my great grand parents suffered more than yours. Utterly disgusting and ignorant.

Crimes to humanity should never be compared.


I see. Sorry, I thought that it meant just comparing them in general. But yes, I agree: "Crimes to humanity should never be compared" for the better or the worse.
 
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post Aug 15 2007, 03:51 PM
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"Personally, I just don't care. We're all the same. f**k it, he's got a dick, I have a dick... except... hey... his is bigger... SLAVE!"

dnd that's exactly how it happened.

White people weren't enslaved were they, because that would make me really mad.
 
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post Aug 15 2007, 06:14 PM
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Sure whites were enslaved, just not popularly called slaves. Serfs/indentured servants if you will.
 
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post Aug 15 2007, 06:27 PM
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Serfdom and slavery are close but still different. Slaves are in a class right below serfs.

Serfs were put to work for many different reasons. Some had no money and no skills, and worked for shelter and food or for a certain amount of time to pay off debt (such as in Russia prior to and around WWI). Some were born into the class, and had no way of bettering themselves, such as in manors during the dark ages. However, serfs were not bought or sold to other people like slaves were, they had one lord, and worked for that person for their entire lives, or for the amount of time needed to pay off their debts.

I do admit, however, that in select times in history, slaves were called serfs. However, this was just to make light of their situations.
 
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post Aug 15 2007, 06:27 PM
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well, steven is correct, but at the same time, when you say whites were enslaved, those whites who enslaved african americans were never considered slaves themselves. lots of the indentured servants were irish...the irish were the "minority" so to speak. and they were treated badly for being irish, especially when they were irish-catholic
 
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post Aug 15 2007, 09:49 PM
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QUOTE(SoEffinMajor @ Aug 15 2007, 07:27 PM) *
well, steven is correct, but at the same time, when you say whites were enslaved, those whites who enslaved african americans were never considered slaves themselves. lots of the indentured servants were irish...the irish were the "minority" so to speak. and they were treated badly for being irish, especially when they were irish-catholic

True but not true. A lot of serfs were Irish, true. However, the Irish do not make up anywhere near the greater portion of white serfdom.

And obviously the slave owners themselves weren't slaves. What you said is like going into an alcoholics anonymous meeting and saying, "all of the white people in this room have been alcoholics." Of course they were. So were the black, hispanic, and any other race in the room. Black slave owners weren't slaves. Arabic slave owners weren't slaves either. Whoever heard of a slave owning a slave?
 
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post Aug 15 2007, 10:02 PM
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QUOTE(ermfermoo @ Aug 15 2007, 10:49 PM) *
Whoever heard of a slave owning a slave?


my point was those who owned slaves were never subjected to or slavery...slavery wasn't an option for them, they were the "forefathers" of the country and therefore would never be eligible for slavery even if they were the minority or owed debts or anything of the such.
 
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post Aug 15 2007, 10:10 PM
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I understand perfectly well what you meant, but my point remains nevertheless. Black slave owners weren't eligible to be slaves either. So?

You're concentrating on individuals while we're talking about general populations.
 
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post Aug 15 2007, 10:19 PM
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QUOTE(ermfermoo @ Aug 15 2007, 11:10 PM) *
I understand perfectly well what you meant, but my point remains nevertheless. Black slave owners weren't eligible to be slaves either. So?

You're concentrating on individuals while we're talking about general populations.


that's because the topic is about the enslavement of african americans. lol...
 
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post Aug 16 2007, 05:43 PM
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We're talking about why the enslavement of african americans is sometimes considered by people as the worst form of slavery. Therefore, you're obviously going to compare it with other races under slavery. That's why your statement is invalid, because it isn't different from any other race.

Createblog debates are dumb.
 
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post Aug 16 2007, 07:21 PM
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QUOTE(ermfermoo @ Aug 16 2007, 06:43 PM) *
Createblog debates are dumb.


thats not very nice lol
 
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QUOTE(SoEffinMajor @ Aug 16 2007, 08:21 PM) *
thats not very nice lol


Yeah, but unfortunately it's true. lol

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post Aug 17 2007, 03:09 PM
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Blacks had it the easiest of all the slaves. Be glad it wasnt a thousand years ago where they would cut off your penis so that you couldnt mate and continue your race. Be glad you werent Jewish and building a pyramid while being whipped for not pushing a four story brick fast enough. Black slaves complained so much. If a Jewish slaved ever complained, their tongue was cut out and put on a pike, next to their penis. If they looked at a Egyptian woman, they're penis scabs were stabbed a bunch of times and their anus holes were burned shut. This was EVERY Jew slave. That only happened to maybe 2% black slaves. Dont even get me started on the Mexican slaves. They were forced to clean so many gas stations and ancient bartering stores called "Wal-Marts"(pronounced Wo`al-Muer-Te~s).
God, the horror. We've come a long way as a civilization from those primitive times of penis butchery and wal-marts.

Love is when you have a "climax" that makes you pass out and wake up hours later with sticky hands.
 
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QUOTE(The-Abominable-CPillar @ Aug 17 2007, 04:09 PM) *
Blacks had it the easiest of all the slaves. Be glad it wasnt a thousand years ago where they would cut off your penis so that you couldnt mate and continue your race. Be glad you werent Jewish and building a pyramid while being whipped for not pushing a four story brick fast enough. Black slaves complained so much. If a Jewish slaved ever complained, their tongue was cut out and put on a pike, next to their penis. If they looked at a Egyptian woman, they're penis scabs were stabbed a bunch of times and their anus holes were burned shut. This was EVERY Jew slave. That only happened to maybe 2% black slaves. Dont even get me started on the Mexican slaves. They were forced to clean so many gas stations and ancient bartering stores called "Wal-Marts"(pronounced Wo`al-Muer-Te~s).
God, the horror. We've come a long way as a civilization from those primitive times of penis butchery and wal-marts.

Love is when you have a "climax" that makes you pass out and wake up hours later with sticky hands.


Yeah, we so should have enslaved the Jews. They would have done a better job. We could have had them build us the Statue of Liberty.
 
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post Aug 19 2007, 01:57 PM
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Too bad the French built the Statue of Liberty...
 
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post Aug 19 2007, 08:48 PM
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QUOTE(ersatz @ Aug 19 2007, 02:57 PM) *
Too bad the French built the Statue of Liberty...


Yeah, we could have had the Jews do it.
 

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