I didn't finish reading the whole thread because I noticed that quite a few comments like "why don't you bitch to Jusun instead of mods because that's not our job" were being repeated and I want to address that.

Fact: Jusun is rarely around because he does background work.
Fact: Jusun trusts moderators to carry out everyday tasks including making this forum more enjoyable for members.
Fact: Jusun said many times that he respects the moderating team.
Fact: Jusun has implemented a few suggestions made by members that were ignored by moderators.

For cB to be a great place for everyone, everyone needs to chip in. Members do that by providing ideas/feedback and participation. If a mod sees a great idea being toss around, why not give the member a little more credibility by mentioning the idea to Jusun (he respects you guys, remember)?

In the end it's up to the big guy to implement any changes, but it's nicer to say "I told Jusun about the idea, but I'm not sure if he'll try anything", than to say "why are you telling us this, tell Jusun".

Not only are you guys providing a supportive environment, it's also "enjoyable" to know that legitimate ideas get taken seriously.

No, I'm not telling anyone how to perform his/her jobs, I'm just telling you guys that saying "it's not up to us so go bother Jusun" is not doing your job either.

Most if not all of the time, there's a thread made Backstage to discuss every idea proposed in Feedback. If all the mods end up being against it, I mean...they don't bother Jusun about it. But if everyone ends up saying, "Yeah, great idea!", Jusun IS PMed, just, more often than not, it takes a while. I don't think I personally have ever said, "It's not up to me; ask Jusun", so I can't speak on that part.

And the whole headstaff as chat people thing is completely a coincidence. I am completely serious when I say that chat people are not automatically hired. Maybe back in the day, when the chat consisted of all the active people on the site, but not now. A lot of them have had quite enough of their share of rule-breaking so...(not trying to be mean to them either, as they have backed off since then, but it did happen).

Oh, there's a thread backstage, that's nice. If it's a legitimate idea, why not bother Jusun about it and let him decide? I mean, we don't see that many legit suggestions anyway, so I don't think Jusun would mind all that much. I get that mods filter out bad suggestions, but sometimes the semi-good is thrown out just because of the way the member present it even though it could be good for cB.

Finally, if a legit idea gets shot down, someone should explain why, nicely (then firmly if the member persists). I don't know if this is being done, but it should so that the member wouldn't be discouraged to voice another idea the next time.

I just think "I/we told Jusun about the idea, but I'm not sure if he'll try anything" is better than "sorry, the mods all think that it's a bad idea so... NEXT!". I wanna be picky, but I don't think that kind of response should garner any respect from anyone.

I'm speaking hypothetically half of the time so I'm not saying this is hapenning exactly, I'm just hoping that it's not the case.

I wonder if jusun himself ever vetoed the specific mods for specific forums idea?

at this point you need both an infusion of new mods and the assigned forums system for this to work.

which basically means you need to hold applications for specific forum mods.

i dont think he's ONLY referring to chat people at this point, he's referring to the main clique on cb.

I said that in my post so I'll respond.

Like Sammi said, threads are made Backstage. I remember I'd constantly give Ju-Sun long lists of threads or concerns that were worth looking over. If it's something he needs to be aware of, he's sent a PM. (Obviously as I'm not an admin, I don't know how often they communicate with Ju-Sun.) However, most aren't 'everyday tasks' so those that are out of the admins' hands are sent to Ju-Sun. Even it's not up to the mods, the mods are the ones sending the message to Ju-Sun so it's not as though any legitimate ideas are being completely shot down. Though I agree that when responding to the members, posts could be worded a bit better.

As for hiring people from CBC, that is REALLY funny. Who gives a damn about what you do in CBC? How you present yourself on the forums is what matters. Were Diana and Arjuna both part of the main CB clique when they were hired? I don't remember that.

Trish, at the moment, the main clique on cB seem to be complaining very vocally in Feedback, and also sem to think that they're beig discriminated against. So that would seem unlikely.

The main clique on this forum consists of a bunch of ass-kissers. The people that are complaining are the rebels.

I'm proud to be a rebel, thank you very much *cough* That should be Mentor *cough*.

Do we even have a main clique anymore? I think there's too many people; there's several "cliques"...too bad I'm not in one of them.

Better question, why does it matter who the main clique is?

We's gotsta fight for our e-territory!

*there are

The problem is the fact that no one out of the main clique has as good of a chance at getting hired as those that are.

^ How do you know? What can you base that off of?

Alright, but since the main clique is bound to consist of active members...like...to be expected. If those are the people you see...

And uh...I don't think that's a new development, either. I'm pretty sure I, myself, was modded solely on the fact that I was friends with the people who were mods, heh. So if that's being used to criticize the "new mods"...doesn't work.

Moving on.

You're seeing exactly what you want to see. Nothing more, and nothing less.

And no, people who are constantly rude, obnoxious and unpleasant don't often get hired. Show me a job outside of American Idol where those traits would come in handy, and I'll treat you as if you're doing more than self-pitying. Until then, forgive me if I don't actually see that you have a point.

you forgot the biggest clique of all. Moderators.

they have their own f**king secret clubhouse, god damn it!

Before I do anything else, I would like to apologize for not responding in this particular topic sooner. Long story short, I just moved (again) and there is far too much detail regarding the move than I would rather post in public. At any rate, here I am and I will slowly do my best to catch up with everything that has been going on the past few days.

I will also apologize for any spelling, grammar, sentence structure, comma usage, et al, ahead of time.

Now, to address a couple of things -

This (in part, I realize that there is a "bigger" picture here) topic was started because someone was angry with me because I deleted their application. Thing is, I thought I had made it clear in the original post that anything that wasn't an application would get deleted. Sure there were folks that didn't meet the requirements but there was also a caveat to those requirements for those who may be exceptionally qualified. Your application wasn't the only one deleted and a few didn't get the courtesy of a PM letting them know that their application would be deleted. I did my best, but at the time I had several things going on personally, including my aforementioned move.

I wish you had responded to the PM I sent you because I honestly meant no harm. I was doing what I would have done no matter who had posted that way. (Akward sentence, my apologies)

As far as having Forum specific moderators go, that has been discussed, rediscussed and discussed some more. Yes, it's frustrating when people keep talking and talking with nothing happening as a result.

Bottom line, as of the here and now is that there isn't an "interest" staff position open. Forget that it doesn't exist (yet, it's not a terrible idea at all), there isn't an opening for it.

Perhaps after we get through this next hiring session, which should be very soon we can see some of these ideas actually happen.

The clique thing? Well, I've never really been a part of any clique. I never go to CBC. I can see how one might feel separated though. Meaning, there are times when people chat in there, bring some of that chat to the forums and I have no clue what the heck is going on. It's a little of that outsider looking in type feeling. I just don't let it get to me. How that relates to hiring is that you can be assured that CBC will have NOTHING to do with any decision I will make because I'm never there. The mods really aren't a clique. We're like a work group, but not a clique. I'm not sure if it's cool of me to say this or not, but honestly, I'm like an old lady Backstage. I only post site related replies back there. When I think of a clique, I think of a group of people that are really close in their personal lives (well, e-lives in this case) and although I feel like for the most part there is mutual respect and a good working relationship between staff members, I wouldn't consider it a clique. Then again, maybe I'm being too literal, maybe I'm not being literal enough.

The mentor thing? It's not automatic, I'm not sure why people (Kathleen isn't the only one to have thought this) think that it is but I know that this has come up before. We did publish (well, it was posted) the finalized By-Laws a while back, although I just read through them and mentors aren't really addressed. The FAQs talk about, but it really isn't specific:


The FAQs are sadly dated though. I feel bad because that was something I needed and wanted to do (updating cBFAQs) and just haven't had a great deal of time to do.

So that was a bit off topic, but that's ok with you guys hopefully.

Something Fae said was really spot on and something I think would be appreciated. I PM Ju-Sun A LOT. I feel bad sometimes because I feel like my PMs are like a plague in his PM Box. I've PM'd him several times regarding ideas that come up in Feedback, the Offical Members Lounge is just one of those ideas I've PMd him about. However, I don't think that I ever let anyone know in the Community that I did so. We should start doing that more often, if we PM Ju-Sun about something regarding an idea or suggestion we should let people know that we have done so, so that they don't think that suggestions are just being ignored.

Ok, I have "mom" things I have to do for a spell. I'll come back when I can and try to address some other issues that have been brought up.

^ I don't mean to put anyone on the spot and I apologize if it bothered anyone.

It's awesome that you do communicate with Jusun about ideas members contribute to the community. But like you (and Mona) have taken note of, something should be done to notify the community (or at least the member who made the sugggestion) of Jusun's reponse (or even lack thereof) so no one feels slighted and get upset.

Jusun is illusive enough, and without anyone telling the rest of the community anything, people will pretty much think he's Santa Clause.

Anyway, moving sucks. Take vitamin E for sore muscles.

I actually thought that people in the chat would have less of a chance of getting hired b/c of the way people act in there. We're a lot less PG13 and a lot more "rowdy" (as rowdy as you can get on the net, I suppose). shrug*

I agree with that. It's important that people know what stage each idea is at in terms of approval.

some mods make more posts in the random talk thread backstage than they do in the regular forums, at least that's the way it seemed to me.

maybe you're not part of the moderator clique, but there is one.

And as for complaining about deleting my post; it seemed to be the only way to get a thread in feedback. Since i posted a non-complaining thread in here about my second application, and it was closed, which is what i'm more pissed about.

which is why the title is "here's some f**king feedback". Because my first thread was deemed "not feedback".

Oh and, my application was a real application. Yes, it was nice of you to PM me about it, But you still deleted it, which doesn't seem very fair if admin can delete applications. What if you just deleted the app of someone you didn't like? maybe you wouldn't do that, but how do we know? there's no record that we can see of deleted posts.

No, I think in the interest of having an open process the applications thread should be off limits to deletion. Because I feel like if my application was deleted, maybe say, kryo's application was deleted because the admin doesn't like him. ALthough i'm sure we would have heard about it if that happened.

keep it open.

!?!?!??!
it was a one sentence command
how is that an application

just because you can't understand it doesn't mean it's not an application.