I personally think they suck. The production of them puts out more emissions than would have been reduced due to the fact that it's a hybrid. In making the battery, they have to mine the nickel in Canada, ship to england for refining, ship to China for further refining, ship to Japan to be made into the battery, ship to America to be put into the production queue and does w/e from there on out. The quarry where they mine in Canada has had such horrible pollution that all around it, the acid rain's destroyed all vegetation.

Also I did the math and you would have to drive 212,500 miles on a civic hybrid to make it more cost beneficial than a regular civic. This was under the assumption that gas was 3.00 per gallon (which it is in Houston)

I personally think you suck. Haha, jk.

Seriously though, I would have to do a little research before I can really reply to this because I don't know what goes on when making a hybrid. I do have a couple of questions.

What's the difference in making a hybrid battery and making a regular car battery?

Oh, I guess it was only one question I had.

A regular car battery is a Lead-Acid battery, and all the mining can be done in the United States with far less shipping and less emissions(they don't create wastelands).

The exact spot for the mining in Canada is Sudbury. There used to be forests there and now it looks like
Nasa uses it as a test place for some of their moon vehicles because it matches the surface lol.

what kinda gas mileage does a civic hybrid get?


my mom's toyota hybrid is averaging about 55 miles a gallon
i've heard the civics suck though

I think it was something like 45

Also did the math and it's more economically viable to buy a H3 hummer, due to how long the Hummer lasts and the short lifespan on the hybrids. Of course, given time, I'm sure hybrids will get better, start to last longer, become more cost efficient, and be overall a good buy, but at the moment they aren't.

i like mine

but i agree that they will become better, seeing as they haven't been around as long as others. i don't really know about their lifespans, everyone i know who has one seems to like it and hasn't had any problems with it but i don't know anyone who's had one over a couple years.

i could never afford to drive a hummer though, paying to fill it up would kill me

Paying to fill it up for 300k miles is actually cheaper than driving a hybrid that long because you have to buy multiple cars.



http://www.thetorquereport.com/2007/03/toy...s_efficien.html

u have to buy multiple cars?

is that a fact that it can't last 300k?

The average span is supposedly 100,000 miles. I'm using these numbers from places I've researched it, I haven't personally tested one so I could be wrong. This is just from what I've gathered. Oh and it's not just on that one site, there are sites all over the place (and I'm sure I can find credible ones) that back up this information, including the Washington Post.

oh yea, i thought it was just the battery that had that estimated life span, not the whole care itself.
the battery has a 100,000 mile warranty on it, but my boss for instance has put over 150,000 miles on it and hasn't had a problem. which i guess might just depend on which hybrid since there's quite a few out.

Yeah, like I said I haven't tested any of this for myself, and I'm sure there are exceptions to everything. Oh also, the cost to replace the battery ranges from 5-8 thousand dollars.

true, if not more probably

putting out less pollution and getting better gas mileage obviously influenced my decision to get one a lot, but there were other reasons i did. like the tax rebate, and because it just drives smoother and quieter than the non hybrid version of my car.

Yeah but the less pollution is only at the finish product. The production of all the parts and all the shipping pollute more than you would if you just drove a normal car.

When I Get home I'll pull up my paper on hybrids. Of course it's a little biased against, but it still has completely factual information, just the way it's worded.

I havent read up that much on hybrids, but I've heard that before.

Does a hybrid, like the Honda Civic, really get that much more mpg than a regular Civic? From what I remember, Civics get at least 40 mpg. And if the average hybrid only gets 45, I'd rather just settle for the regular one.

lol I've seen a Hybrid Toyota do 105 mph... we were sort of racing (I was barely even tryin) on the highway... and I idled with him at 105mph... it was the funniest shit ever. They're ok.... never had a problem with them existing.

Oo a hybrid that wanted to race?

AHHH NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO. Deforestation makes my insides churn.

yea, but that kinda sounds as if this is specifically due to the making of batteries for hybrid cars. this would be the case whether hybrids existed or not. they mine nickel and have been since sudbury canada was founded, in like the 1800s when they first ran across the nickel. yea the vegetation is absolutely ruined, no doubt about that, but it has been for a very long time, way before anyone purchased nickel for hybrid batteries there.

In all honesty, does anyone really keep a car for 300,000 miles? I have 125k on my Jeep and I want a new car. I'm sure some people do have cars past 300k, but I would imagine the majority won't keep it past 200k?

yea thats what im thinking, i dont know anyone who keeps their car that long. i read the average american puts like 13,000 - 15,000 miles on their car a year. at that rate...thats a long time
why not compare them at the same mileage

Well I was idled at 75MPH, and this little Toyota just zooms past me, and I started to laugh. So I quickly punch it in third gear, shift into 4th, idled next to him, then shifted onto 5th and stayed there for a few minutes lol... I started to tease him by droppin the gear and punching it (I love the sound of my blow off valve from 4th to 5th, chirps really loud) makin him hear my force induction



I have a lil over 150,000 miles on mine, but it's Japanese and I baby it to death with healthy oil every 2 months, filter change every two months, and high quality/grade gasoline.

Long term economic value for the Hummer3 is greater. *Shrug* I'm too tired to argue right now :(

The nickel argument is like the gas argument. Buying the nickel only supports the mining out there, just like buying so much gas has made it an industry in and of itself.

I put 25k this past year :( 60 miles commute per day suckedddd

And Elba, I'm keeping mine til I can't drive it no more -.- I don't have the money to get another.

personally i`d so get one so i don`t have to pay for gas . but they suck in the long run .

how do u know they suck in the long run?
have u had one in the long run?

Stop bitching. Cows put out more emmissions than cars. Biotch.