Flair, I understand your point of view and don't think that everyone should simply "get over it." The point I was trying to make is it shouldn't be used as a crutch to get through life, especially when you have had ample opportunity to work hard and do well in life.

THANK YOU STEVE! I honestly thought I was typing bla bla. Man ... thanks. Now I can go to bed in peace.
Haha.


MY EXACT POINT. I'll quote that anytime someone missunderstands me.


I didn't see that. I agree 100 %!

I never said that Blacks need to get over it. But I guess some people feel that way because Blacks insist on bringing it up more than Jews do. It's almost like some believe they're entitled to something because of what their ancestors went though.

But it was worse.

I guess so - I guess I popped into the debate at the wrong time.
I know you werent trying to say that it was worse though. I just didnt like how you compared forgetting about the Holocaust to forgetting about slavery. But oh well.

No, it wasn't. It was different. This is my point - they shouldn't be compared ... really.

One thing you cannot compare the Holocaust to Slavery. Holocaust was more of ethic cleansing when slavery was more labor work. Holocaust main idea was to wipe out a whole race. White folks only wanted blacks for our labor and we can handle the sun better. Believe it or not but black people built the United States. The reason this country as successful as it is today because it was build off of free labor.

^ ... and your point is?


I'm not American but I don't think that's quite accurate. Someone please elaborate on this ... it seems very false to me.

^ Why did I say that? Because during slavery black people was the one's working the fields. A black men design all of Washington DC and black slave's built the white house. Black people invited most of the things we use everyday. We built up this country rather you believe it or not. That is only some things I mention. I have to write a book to mention them all.

But we is way off topic.

We is way off topic? Just curious, how old are you? Where are you originally from?

Just read my profile. I am from the United States. I'm going to find some of my sourse of where I get my information ok.

Why do you persist on making yourself look asinine? The Holocause and enslavement both happened because whites(or the Germans who hated Jews) felt that they were superior to the victims of both acts.

Also correct me if I'm wrong, but America primarily used slavery in agriculture. I do believe that the industrial north was the reason for the abolishment of slavery, even though that was just a side-effect of what Lincoln was trying to do (re-unite the north and south). The industrial United States had labor from all races, including the children. It was not something that blossomed from only blacks.




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Do you mean black people invented? Also, how does the blacks having built the white house (assuming they did) have anything to do with building up this country?

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I agree. Slaves provided labor... even if we would have never have had slaves, the job still would've gotten done. I think they've made a contribution to society, but they definitely did not build the United States. Neither did any other race of immigrants. Blacks contributed by means of forced labor... but they werent educated enough to do much else. Which is a shame... but most women werent educated back then either.


Thats nice, but we would still have had a White House, with or without him designing it and slaves building it. Oh really? I know they invented some things, but most of the things we use everyday? I dont think thats accurate.

Whaaaat? Are you kidding me?

ROFL.

Don't deny it. Why are black people preferred by affirmative action? Why can black people have their own special scholarships but when white people have one, it's racist? Why is their a powerful black lobby in our political system?

There are black people that still think they they are owed something by the government. You'd be naive to think otherwise.

You know what, how about we charge all the black people the price of a ticket across the Atlantic to make it fair? Charge interest too.



Wow. Just wow.

Some things black people invented everyday we used was the pen and pencil and the telephone.



Yeah that's true but, the Holocaust lasted only two years and slavery lasted over 400 years, that's the difference



The primary uses of slavery was not only used in agriculture, but also used for everything. We was your servants and we took care your kids and took care of the slave masters sexual needs against our well(That act today is known as rape).



If we wasn't educated why did you white folks come and get us? Why didn't you do it yourself? If you claim it would've got done anyway, why didn't you do it yourself? We was educated in our way, no we wasn't educated in your way. When white folks first landed here on America, you wasn't educated in the Indians way, They taught you how to plant corn and potatoes and then you went to Africa and got the black man to do it.










PS Steve330 I may make typo's but back off, I make some mistakes but I'm human, give me room. That wasn't call for. My gammar cannot be to bad. You understood me. Stop being petty, you don't have to talk to me.

I know you were kidding, Sandra. I just didn't know what to say to that, haha.



What people think is worth discussing, no? Yeah, we preach acceptance of other peoples' opinions, but accepting something that's not right is useless.

The whole reason why I'm in the debate forum is not to force my beliefs down other peoples' throats; I just come here to know what and why people believe the things they do, especially when faced with opposition.



People aren't necessarily scheming, but when you make a Black Cultures club, you expect to see more blacks in it. If you make an Asian Cultures club, you expect to see more Asians in it. So yes, they do involuntarily want to keep certain people out of their clubs. I would somehow tie this to my original argument, but I've forgotten what it was because we've gone so far astray from the prompt...

My views aren't outdated. Affirmative action, scholarships, everything that kryogenix mentioned, those are all present-day things that exist but really shouldn't exist.

And here I'm talking about America. I saw on Comedy Central the other day a guy saying something along these lines:

"I think all black people should automatically go to heaven. Why? Because we have sure gone through hell."

And the audience was cheering and roaring and clapping (all of them were black).

ALKSHFLKAHLF AND NO I AM NOT SAYING THAT THIS COMEDIAN IS THE SPOKESPERSON OF ALL BLACK PEOPLE.

My point, yes a lot of black people think that the government owes them something and that they need reinforcement. Yes, we realise you can't just get over the past, but we'd appreciate that the ones who are using it as a crutch to stop.



I know that Historical Black Colleges aren't only for blacks. Did I ever say otherwise? Does it make a difference? These schools are still operating as schools not historical monuments, thus they are most likely unequal to those of schools that don't have any racial promotion mumbo jumbo in their agenda.

As for bussing and such, yes I've learned. How is that relevant?

MY POINT: Blacks receive priveleges that whites don't.



That was the 60's. Believe me, with the way political correctness has gone these days, that judge would never be elected into the Supreme Court. It's 2007. 2007. 2007. 2007. Internalize it.



In a debate like this, there are little to no concrete proofs that can support either side of the debate. No one knows what an entire population believes. But everyone has witnessed one or two incidents that could contribute to what they think. That's what I base my judgements off of. If you have experiences that counter mine, go ahead and tell me.

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I agree with everything Steve says.

And kryogenix to some extent except he seems to be going a bit overboard.

Okk. Suzzette's arguments > mine. I'm spitting nonsense. Honestly, I reread my posts and it's kind of ridiculous. I'm really tired, it's exam week of summer school and my brain is short-circuiting. Forgive me.

Blah just pretend you didn't read anything I posted. jashdlkajshdlkdjshfalksdjhf

Contradict yourself much?

An organization at my school was nearly removed because they created a white male scholarship. At other schools, it's often the black student groups that call it unfair, when some of them were accepted and given scholarships because of the color of their skin.



Wow. That was a terrible argument. Just who feels the government owes them something? Tell me how this is any bit the same, tell me how vocal they've been and how many they were. Get googling.

May I point out that some black people say that only they can refer to themselves as n-----s? That, I find to be annoying. ^_^"

I don't wish for my input to turn into another debate!

LOL so are you saying that the Ancient Chinese, Romans, Egyptians, Babylonians had nothing to do with the concept of a pencil or pen?
Antonio Meucci, Johann Philipp Reis, Alexander Graham Bell, and Elisha Gray might have had a little something to do with the invention of the telephone too *shrug*


Back on topic.
I really don't care if blacks want to be called black or 'African American.' It doesn't effect me. Maybe I should get offended, however, if someone calls me white instead of being called a European American, or German American.

Please, cut the bull. 'Wow. Just wow.'? Is that the best you can do? You can't post one sentence and expect everyone to understand. I didn't, now I do. Where's the crime in asking?

Anyway, is that picture really necessary? It makes you come of as really ignorant.

Some of you are making it seem as if only Black clubs are the ones being created. What about your dearest Asian, Hispanic clubs?

Nevermind. Back on topic.

AAAAAAAAND it doesn't change the fact that you're lumping ME with a group that I don't belong to.



Your argument is flawed because the circumstances are totally different. You might as well have compared it to a kid owing lunch money last week. It's a terrible comparison.

And now you're arguing that it's ok for black people to be ignorant because lots of people are?



Jeez has the intelligence in this place gone down a couple dozen notches. Haha, you're one to call someone ignorant. If you don't understand the significance of that picture, you have no place in this debate. Get the f**k out you knob and never come back.

Oh my God, wannabe Seon Ho just told me to never come back ... I'm going to cry.

You're extremely boring dude.

Get off your high horse, you're not as important / funny as you think.

Sandra/Flair whoever the moses you are, maybe you should google it yourself and not laugh like a hyena and make other people feel like assholes just for posting in your post area.

I'm American, and I believe this. A lot of our (as a people, Americans) money came from tobacco and cotton. The rest of that came from textile factories later on (that payed very, very, very little). We still bring in loads of money from really cheap to free labor from illegals.

I'm hoping my History Book doesn't seem "very false to you".

^Is that a paraphrase? Textbook? Direct quote?

LOLHIGHSCHOOLLEARNINLOL

It's whatever the f**k I learned over the course of every history class I was ever required to take.



No, I was saying that you say one thing, and then act another. *You* are the one that I have been seeing going back and forth, trying to act like nothing compared, nothing compared...

But than saying "its not a game! blah blah blah!"

^ I'm not?

Sorry, this is the way I talk in real life. Just assume I'm serving you all cookies and dancing the rumba when I'm doing it.