Of course, they go from faithful to faithless, then at some point of their life they'll start to study religion and science and see that science has a logic (human at that) of which denies the existence of God.

The righteous do not fear death, but one do not need religion to be righteous.

lol who said anything bout religion?

I don't get it, is there a series of letters you guys are decoding in my posts that mentions religion(s) somewhere in my post and I don't realize it? What's with the religious conspiracy?

Those who have faith and devote their lives to the almighty creator, the all merciful, the father of all that exists, the King of Kings... are righteous.

What?

Nothin, it's not important, trust me.

Oh, okay.

a wise man once said:
"Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering."

that's how it starts with fear and ends with suffering.
this is no mere childish philosophy.

Are you familiar with, "George Ivanovich Gurdjieff"? Or "P.D.Ouspensky"?
Two books to read: "In Search Of The Miraculous" and "Meetings With A Remarkable Man"

You'll find out how interesting err... complicated I am, it's a good place to start

And I understand you don't have much time to read because of Law. My girl's in the same situation, she'll be going to Law school in 1 year, and she's already trying to get ahead of the game.


Oh my... you're quoting Yoda? Just a quick question though:
Who or what is in fear, and of what?
Who or what is angered, and why?
And who or what is led to hatred, and why?

Hurry before I the path of the Darkside consumes me!!!

QUOTE(Tamacracker @ Jul 3 2007, 07:31 PM)

Wait... so you're an atheist not because of science, but because you blame God for taking a family member from you? Damn.

QUOTE(Tamacracker @ Jul 3 2007, 07:51 PM)

And the atheist who actually look at the human logic of things and see that there's no proof in their eyes that God exists.

well, theres obviously some sort of information that i left out of my post. and yes, i'd have to agree with your second quote more than i do with your first.

not only have i had 8 years to think about this incident, but i've also dug deeper and found myself believing only because i dont think there's anything to believe.

personally, im forced to believe that "what can be touched, or seen is real." have i seen this "god?" no. has "he" helped others, maybe?" yes. but i havent seen it.

also, it makes no sense to say that "he" created the heavens and the earth in 7 days. didnt scientists already research that topic and say it couldnt be done? maybe if those 7 days stood for something else (thousands of years) could it have happened. and obviously..thats called evolution. nonetheless, it definitely makes much more sense to say that we evolved from apes than to say that all of us come from WHITE parents. and yes, ive been told from a particular CBer that adam and eve had some sort of magic hidden up their sleeves with the ability to have children from other races. uhh, bs? if that could happen in the past, why doesnt it happen again? has there even been a time in moden day when a woman delievers a baby of a totally difference race than who she is or who the father is? mm, not that i know of.

It shames me to admit that I do not read much outside of the authors I've previously mentioned because I want to go through all of their works before moving on. Even then, I haven't finished reading. I try not to just read one aspect or their philosophy, I try to get the bigger picture. Take Nietzche, for example, I've only perused Anti-Christ and Good and Evil and we both know he's written more than that. I tend to study the writers themselves by reading the works, more so then study their beliefs by reading them. Because from my experience, their main points isn't to tell us what to think or how to process our thoughts, they simply give (and convince us that there is) a different perspective on what to think and how to process. Period. A "higher man" would be able to think for himself, not let someone else think for him. I would read more to move on to the authors you suggested, but time doesn't allow much.

Heh this argument is cute, my lil cousin once asked a similar question (no offense to you of course). Remember how I mentioned Intelligent By Design/creation and evolution coexists? Well here's the simple answer to your different races and different languages. Evolution.
For example, here's one source which explains the Evolution of Skin types and skin color: http://arjournals.annualreviews.org/doi/ab...3.070203.143955

Remember people have the freewill to move to any part of the world where other people already exist, with different traits, those who are naturally selected to adapt with their environment (the big picture, their region)

So lets say family A. moved to the region of what is now called Africa, and family B. stayed in their part of the region which is now the Middle East. Both families are of the same traits (Adam And Eve).

After 100's even thousands of years family A. would have evolved from having Middle Eastern traits to having either a mixture of Middle Eastern and African traits.
While family B. who never left their region, were already naturally selected to adapt to their environment/region, so their traits never change.

Also keep in mind there was already different languages. Because the people who derived from Adam and Eve, the God lovers, they all spoke 1 language. They looked the same (until evolution stepped in). But then there was the "human-like people (not exactly human but had similar human traits), that already existed prior to the creation of Adam and Eve. The people who were not of Adam and Eve already evolved to have different traits from other regions of the world, and especially different from the blood line of Adam and Eve.

But Language then split up even more. During the time of when the people (the people who derived from Adam And Eve) of Babylon were building the Tower of Babel (The Gate Of God) God came down and punished the people by changing their language and confusing them. Causing them to panic and scatter about.

So only those who had the same language would unite and procreate a civilization of which would have the same physical human traits (Adam And Eve traits).

Biblical/Scientific study: http://www.ldolphin.org/babel.html

Now we have 1,600 languages I believe? I'm not certain. So that should answer your post, you can ask me anything else and I'll try my best to answer it.

And don't worry, I'm not tryin to convert you, just tryin to get you to see a different reality/perspective, using both Creation and Evolution

^

Woah, so you're saying that a different species of man existed prior to Adam and Eve? Is that just a theory of yours, or is that what you actually believe?

So are you assuming that creation took place over a period of thousands/millions of years instead of 6 days? And that the other species was first here prior to the "6th day"? Interesting.

God's days = 1000 human years? Didn't I hear that somewhere?

Sorry if this is irrelevent. I think this whole topic is going astray from the initial question: Are Atheists angry?

Are they afraid?

Because if they were, then we could rightly conclude that they are angry.

However, it doesn't appear that way to me. To me, it is the theist that is afraid of either god, or the afterlife.

that makes the theist angry. Which leads to their hatred of atheists. And the suffering of atheists.

I'm atheist, and I'm generally happy without thinking much about religion and God.

Well what do Atheist generally feel when they believe there's no afterlife, it's just pitch black nothingness for eternity? Who knows.. I don't even know what Atheist believe if there's no afterlife.

Do they believe in ghosts? or Uhm... reincarnation?

Atheists don't believe in God. Beliefs in the afterlife, ghosts, reincarnation, all that depends on the person. Atheism isn't a unified religion, so you can't say all Atheists believe one thing or another.

Ah so atheist don't believe in God, but they may believe in an afterlife, reincarnation, ghosts etc... am I understanding this right?

You must not know much about religion then.

Most believe we just cease to exist. I dont think that's anything to be afraid of.

Naw I just see atheist existing trying to prove a point against anything that seems religious, such as ghosts/spirits/souls, reincarnation, and afterlife etc... all of these are in conjunction with religion/God.

Or am I wrong, since I must not know much about religion?

Wait... why did you even say that? That I must not know much about religion, that didn't even make sense it had no relations to what you quoted.

^ I was being somewhat sarcastic. But I've never heard of someone thinking/wondering if Atheists believe in Reincarnation or not. I wasnt trying to insult your intelligence or anything.

Tamacracker had a good question. I don't see how asking it would mean that he didn't know much about religion. And as much as I hate to say it, he does know a lot.

And just so you know, Buddhism is atheistic in that they don't believe in a God at all, only symbolic gods. But they also believe in reincarnation (cycle of Samsara), so if you were trying to get at Atheists believing only that they rot in the ground, you're wrong...

I think people are saying Atheism describes an entire religion. Actually, you can be Atheist and Taoist or Atheist and Confucianist. Atheist is just a word that means you don't believe in a God.

Oh I understand Atheist don't believe in God, I just thought they didn't believe in God and religion or anything associated with them, such as Christianity, Judaism, Islam, Buddhism, Hinduism, Astrology, etc...
Thought Atheist's religion would have been philosophy and science if anything.

But I just learned a new thing :P
thanks for the knowledge!

I'm very detailed oriented, I must know everything of everything as much as humanly possible. My mind is meant for something more than sexual thoughts, who's the best actor, who's the best musician etc.. I don't like having an idle mind, or a mind full of useless thoughts. Useless meaning it has nothing to do with my personal life in order to advance.

aren't we special.

anyways; are atheists afraid?