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 Jul 3 2007, 03:08 AM
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 we jerkin'  Group: Member Posts: 2,408 Joined: Aug 2005 Member No: 210,730  |
and his ark, well if something like hurricane katrina could happen and there were levees protecting water from coming in, isnt it very much possible that noah's ark really occured
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Jul 3 2007, 03:52 AM
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 dripping destruction Group: Staff Alumni Posts: 7,282 Joined: Jun 2004 Member No: 21,929 |
Well, it most probably happened, but definatly not like the bible says.
1. there is simply not enough water in the world to flood the world. maybe a large lowlying region, but not the world. 2. There is no way Noah would be able to get two of every animal, then redistribute them to their respective continents. Sure, if you allowed for evolution then you could explain the differences of species between continents, but then again, we don't exactly believe in that, do we? and plus, it would take much too long. |
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Jul 3 2007, 02:02 PM
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 i'll be just fine Group: Member Posts: 322 Joined: Sep 2004 Member No: 51,428 |
QUOTE(sadolakced acid @ Jul 3 2007, 03:52 AM)  2. There is no way Noah would be able to get two of every animal, then redistribute them to their respective continents. Sure, if you allowed for evolution then you could explain the differences of species between continents, but then again, we don't exactly believe in that, do we? and plus, it would take much too long. Weren't all the continents connected at some point? I swear I read somewhere that the continents were all together and then slowly pulled apart and now they are slowly moving in the oppisite direction.... of course that all could of been some really vivid dream. |
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Jul 3 2007, 03:20 PM
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 Photoartist Group: Staff Alumni Posts: 12,363 Joined: Apr 2006 Member No: 399,390 |
Pangaea or some ish.
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Jul 3 2007, 03:58 PM
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 Kimberly Group: Member Posts: 1,961 Joined: Apr 2005 Member No: 121,599 |
QUOTE(WickedDreamer @ Jul 3 2007, 03:02 PM) Weren't all the continents connected at some point? I swear I read somewhere that the continents were all together and then slowly pulled apart and now they are slowly moving in the oppisite direction.... of course that all could of been some really vivid dream. Yeah, that's a theory alot of people believe I think. But still, that'd be one heck of a continent! It would have been impossible for him to have traveled from one end to another to collect two of each species. |
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Jul 3 2007, 06:03 PM
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dripping destruction Group: Staff Alumni Posts: 7,282 Joined: Jun 2004 Member No: 21,929 |
well, sure, it might work that way, but then you'd have to believe in that theory as well as evolution. And plus, at that point there were no humans either.
god supposedly created the earth as is; therefore, plate tectonics and evolution cannot be used to explain noah's ark... it's just plain contradictory. |
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Jul 3 2007, 06:08 PM
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Before I contribute, what are levees?
Edit// Nevermind. I don't know much about the bible but how long did the flood last? |
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Jul 3 2007, 06:18 PM
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 AttacKATTack! Group: Member Posts: 697 Joined: Jun 2007 Member No: 536,660 |
QUOTE(Flair @ Jul 3 2007, 06:08 PM) Before I contribute, what are levees? Edit// Nevermind. I don't know much about the bible but how long did the flood last? Water poured from the heavens for 40 days and the flood lasted 150 days. |
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Jul 3 2007, 06:30 PM
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 hardxcore. Group: Member Posts: 1,223 Joined: Nov 2006 Member No: 479,494 |
QUOTE god supposedly created the earth as is; therefore, plate tectonics and evolution cannot be used to explain noah's ark... it's just plain contradictory. where does it say that? |
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Jul 3 2007, 06:51 PM
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the Bible can be interpreted many different ways. It may have all been just an exaggeration. ^_^"
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Jul 3 2007, 07:02 PM
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 Senior Member Group: Official Member Posts: 6,349 Joined: Aug 2006 Member No: 455,274 |
Well the Ark "could" be symbolic. For example, Bahá'u'lláh, states that the references to the Ark and the Flood in both the Bible and the Quran are symbolic.[14] In Bahá'í belief, only Noah's followers were spiritually alive, preserved in the ark of his teachings, as others were spiritually dead.
That's the teaching in the Bahá'í faith. |
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Jul 3 2007, 07:58 PM
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dripping destruction Group: Staff Alumni Posts: 7,282 Joined: Jun 2004 Member No: 21,929 |
QUOTE(hazardous @ Jul 3 2007, 06:30 PM) where does it say that? genesis? sure, the ark could be symbolic- but for those who view the bible as the actual representation of history, this interpretation isn't correct. granted, these are the people who believed that adam and eve rode to church on dinosaurs... but still. |
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Jul 3 2007, 08:04 PM
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QUOTE(sadolakced acid @ Jul 3 2007, 08:58 PM) genesis? sure, the ark could be symbolic- but for those who view the bible as the actual representation of history, this interpretation isn't correct. What do you mean by, "those who view the bible as the actual representation of history"? |
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Jul 3 2007, 09:51 PM
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AttacKATTack! Group: Member Posts: 697 Joined: Jun 2007 Member No: 536,660 |
QUOTE(Tamacracker @ Jul 3 2007, 08:04 PM) What do you mean by, "those who view the bible as the actual representation of history"? Those who take the Bible literally and believe that it documents the creation of the world and all the other historic events accurately. |
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Jul 4 2007, 01:19 AM
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QUOTE(xKatt @ Jul 3 2007, 10:51 PM) Those who take the Bible literally and believe that it documents the creation of the world and all the other historic events accurately. Oh ok, cuz the Bible is to be taken in Parables, examples, and symbolism. Some of it is literal such as the events. |
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Jul 4 2007, 01:27 AM
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I honestly do not believe that Noah travelled around the world while it rained heavily in 150 days. Who do you think he is? Superman?
I would say that it's just a story invented by bored people to amaze you (Christians). Anyway, like someone mentioned, the bible shouldn't be taken word for word. I'm sure it has some kind of meaning or lesson for Christians. |
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Jul 4 2007, 05:09 AM
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we jerkin' Group: Member Posts: 2,408 Joined: Aug 2005 Member No: 210,730 |
true that jesus spoke in parrabels(sp) but maybe there werent alot of animals back then? Like some evolved and made different species and what not.
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Jul 4 2007, 06:21 AM
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QUOTE(Flair @ Jul 4 2007, 02:27 AM) I honestly do not believe that Noah travelled around the world while it rained heavily in 150 days. Who do you think he is? Superman? I would say that it's just a story invented by bored people to amaze you (Christians). Anyway, like someone mentioned, the bible shouldn't be taken word for word. I'm sure it has some kind of meaning or lesson for Christians. It is possible that God's days were equivalent to thousands. 1 Day to God is 1000 years. So it could be 150,000 years, thus making it obvious that it couldn't been taken literally. Instead it would make complete sense that it's symbolic. Like a lot of the Bible was scripted to be. But then again, it could be literal. If it was, it's on top/in a mountain. And you're right the Bible should not be taken word for word, it's not meant to be completely literal. |
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Jul 4 2007, 09:54 AM
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I've brought up this question before but I'll bring it up again in case someone will take a gander.
It is rather convenient for people to decide what should be literal and what is figurative. If decades from now, science is able to undeniably prove that Noah's ark existed and that the Great Flood did occur, then people will say that the Bible is literal. If otherwise, they can say it's figurative; take it as a symbolic story. How can we have this fickle, topsy-turvy understanding of the Bible, when it is the authority of Christian knowledge? |
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Jul 4 2007, 05:09 PM
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Senior Member Group: Official Member Posts: 6,349 Joined: Aug 2006 Member No: 455,274 |
QUOTE(uninspiredfae @ Jul 4 2007, 10:54 AM) I've brought up this question before but I'll bring it up again in case someone will take a gander. It is rather convenient for people to decide what should be literal and what is figurative. If decades from now, science is able to undeniably prove that Noah's ark existed and that the Great Flood did occur, then people will say that the Bible is literal. Sadly you're right... people would take everything literal for that lol. |
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Jul 4 2007, 06:54 PM
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Kimberly Group: Member Posts: 1,961 Joined: Apr 2005 Member No: 121,599 |
QUOTE(Tamacracker @ Jul 4 2007, 02:19 AM) Oh ok, cuz the Bible is to be taken in Parables, examples, and symbolism. Some of it is literal such as the events. It's a shame that most Protestants dont see things that way though. They have to take everything literally. I still dont understand how someone could possibly believe that everything was created in 6 days, that Noah took 2 of each animal on the Ark, and especially that we're all damned if we dont believe in Jesus. 
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Jul 5 2007, 03:21 AM
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we jerkin' Group: Member Posts: 2,408 Joined: Aug 2005 Member No: 210,730 |
bible uses parables cuz Parables make teachings easier to remember and apply.
Social problems come and go. The way it is becomes the way it was. Old sermons addressing old social problems are out of touch with today. Parables deal with basic principles, whereas telling it like it is deals with how those principles apply to specific situations. |
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