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post Jun 29 2007, 05:07 PM
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Has anyone watched it yet? I watched it a few weeks ago, and have to say that Michael Moore has possibly made me question the Health Care industry sadly. Although I hate Michael Moore with a passion, this movie is worth a seeing. If you have seen, what do you think, and what are your changed and or unchanged views on the health care system?
 
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post Jun 29 2007, 05:26 PM
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Hmm... Is this the one about the insurance scamming people?

I remember hearing both Democrats and Republicans praising this thing (if that's even of any significance, I don't remember).
 
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post Jun 29 2007, 05:35 PM
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I have not seen it, but I will add it to my movies list. :)
 
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post Jun 29 2007, 05:52 PM
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QUOTE(Arjuna Capulong @ Jun 29 2007, 05:26 PM) *
Hmm... Is this the one about the insurance scamming people?

I remember hearing both Democrats and Republicans praising this thing (if that's even of any significance, I don't remember).


Thats awkward, seeing as US capitol is being bought out by Insurance Companies to keep their mouths shut. Hilliary Clinton being one of them.
 
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post Jun 29 2007, 07:39 PM
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QUOTE(medic @ Jun 29 2007, 06:07 PM) *
Has anyone watched it yet? I watched it a few weeks ago, and have to say that Michael Moore has possibly made me question the Health Care industry sadly. Although I hate Michael Moore with a passion, this movie is worth a seeing. If you have seen, what do you think, and what are your changed and or unchanged views on the health care system?

What makes you hate Michael Moore so much? You must be a Republican.

But anyways, I've really been wanting to see this. Last week I was skimming through the channels and saw Fox news talking about it... and oh my God. They COMPLETELY ran him into the ground, like they always do with any non-Republican. It amuses me how biased they really are. But seeing that made me want to see it even more. _smile.gif

QUOTE(Arjuna Capulong @ Jun 29 2007, 06:26 PM) *
Hmm... Is this the one about the insurance scamming people?

I remember hearing both Democrats and Republicans praising this thing (if that's even of any significance, I don't remember).

Really? I always thought most Republicans were against universal health care.
 
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post Jun 29 2007, 07:45 PM
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QUOTE(kimmytree @ Jun 29 2007, 07:39 PM) *
What makes you hate Michael Moore so much? You must be a Republican.

But anyways, I've really been wanting to see this. Last week I was skimming through the channels and saw Fox news talking about it... and oh my God. They COMPLETELY ran him into the ground, like they always do with any non-Republican. It amuses me how biased they really are. But seeing that made me want to see it even more. _smile.gif
Really? I always thought most Republicans were against universal health care.


I hate Michael Moore because he likes to stir shit for profit.

You could not have guess more correctly, I am a conservative, a conservative who HATES Fox News, and any BIG NEWS corporation at that. CNN is the worst BTW. Although Fox News does have a Democratic co host of a TV show, they try to be "Fair and balanced" like all other news channels try, and they all fail at it.

Also, its not just republicans who have fought for the health care system we have today. Back in the Bill Clinton days Hillary fought for a better health care system, and like all politicians, she was bought out for a good $800 million.
 
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post Jun 29 2007, 07:48 PM
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QUOTE(medic @ Jun 29 2007, 08:45 PM) *
I hate Michael Moore because he likes to stir shit for profit.

You could not have guess more correctly, I am a conservative, a conservative who HATES Fox News, and any BIG NEWS corporation at that. CNN is the worst BTW. Although Fox News does have a Democratic co host of a TV show, they try to be "Fair and balanced" like all other news channels try, and they all fail at it.

No more than any politician though. He's obviously making movies to make money, but I think he's also making them on what he truly believes.

Eh, CNN's okay, but not as bad as Fox. MSNBC seems to be the most rounded and less-biased in my opinion. Fox just seems to throw in too much of their own opinions. Not so much when they're just going over live news... but with like Bill O'Riley and those jokers. I think Fox is by far the most biased.

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Also, its not just republicans who have fought for the health care system we have today. Back in the Bill Clinton days Hillary fought for a better health care system, and like all politicians, she was bought out for a good $800 million.

What? I'm not understanding that.

No, Hilary's health care plan didnt happen because it didnt receive enough support for a floor vote in neither the House nor the Senate. wink.gif
 
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post Jun 29 2007, 07:54 PM
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QUOTE(kimmytree @ Jun 29 2007, 07:48 PM) *
No more than any politician though. He's obviously making movies to make money, but I think he's also making them on what he truly believes.

Eh, CNN's okay, but not as bad as Fox. MSNBC seems to be the most rounded and less-biased in my opinion. Fox just seems to throw in too much of their own opinions. Not so much when they're just going over live news... but with like Bill O'Riley and those jokers. I think Fox is by far the most biased.
No, Hilary's health care system plan didnt happen because it didnt receive enough support for a floor vote in neither the House nor the Senate. wink.gif


Well when I hear something besides "IED" or "Death" from someone on CNN about Iraq I will change my opinion. Maybe a topic on schools being opened or something like that.

I have yet to see a movie made by a politician. I have seen movies about a politician, once they died.
 
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post Jun 29 2007, 07:56 PM
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^ Well, when our poor soilders are being killed left and right... It's sad, but true. I dont watch CNN that often, so I guess I've just never noticed.

I meant that alot of politicians change what they supposedly believe just to benefit themselves.
 
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post Jul 1 2007, 02:42 AM
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That movie is HILARIOUS.

Anywho, when they talked about France, I was amazed. I cannot believe people in this country seriously believe a system like that would be sooo failing and all the doctors would have sucky lives when like, obviously it works. Have they looked around beyond our borders? That was ridiculous.

I was planning to move to Europe ASAP anyway. _smile.gif
 
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post Jul 1 2007, 11:40 AM
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I don't have to watch Sicko to question the American health system. Dealing with them did the trick.

Plus, John Q should have warned you all of something like this way before Sicko. It's no news.
 
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I'll say it again, LOL @ CUBAN HEALTHCARE SYSTEM
 
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post Jul 1 2007, 04:46 PM
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QUOTE(ersatz @ Jul 1 2007, 02:42 AM) *
That movie is HILARIOUS.

Anywho, when they talked about France, I was amazed. I cannot believe people in this country seriously believe a system like that would be sooo failing and all the doctors would have sucky lives when like, obviously it works. Have they looked around beyond our borders? That was ridiculous.

I was planning to move to Europe ASAP anyway. _smile.gif


I hope you enjoy 40%+ income tax.
 
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post Jul 1 2007, 05:16 PM
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QUOTE(medic @ Jun 29 2007, 06:52 PM) *
Thats awkward, seeing as US capitol is being bought out by Insurance Companies to keep their mouths shut. Hilliary Clinton being one of them.



I've seen it. Just shows how crooked things are in the U.S.

But what can ya expect? The majority of the citizens care about Paris Hilton and Brittney Spears more than they do about their political future.
 
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post Jul 1 2007, 05:19 PM
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QUOTE(anilfour7 @ Jul 1 2007, 05:46 PM) *
I hope you enjoy 40%+ income tax.


Sadly, what's going on with our tax system is called fascism. No where in the constitution does it claim that we HAVE to give them our INCOME tax. State/Federal is different though.

So we're basically giving them our money because we made money.
 
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post Jul 2 2007, 10:33 PM
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QUOTE(anilfour7 @ Jul 1 2007, 04:46 PM) *
I hope you enjoy 40%+ income tax.


Yeah, hope you enjoy not realizing that it evens out cause you don't have to pay for things like that. You think everyone in Europe is way poorer than us or something? Not the case.
 
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post Jul 2 2007, 10:56 PM
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Yeah I just watched it yesterday. I think it's better than all the movies he's done before, because there's not really a twist to this one and I can't see how people will diss him about it. But they'll probably invent their feeble ways. The comparisons he made between the US, Canada and Europe were unexpected and funny... Not to mention that Cuba appears to have a better healthcare system than the US. I feel bad for Americans.
 
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QUOTE(ersatz @ Jul 2 2007, 11:33 PM) *
Yeah, hope you enjoy not realizing that it evens out cause you don't have to pay for things like that. You think everyone in Europe is way poorer than us or something? Not the case.


... so if it evens out, what's the point? At least with the current system you have a choice and more specialists.

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Yeah I just watched it yesterday. I think it's better than all the movies he's done before, because there's not really a twist to this one and I can't see how people will diss him about it. But they'll probably invent their feeble ways. The comparisons he made between the US, Canada and Europe were unexpected and funny... Not to mention that Cuba appears to have a better healthcare system than the US. I feel bad for Americans.


Played like a fool.
 
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post Jul 3 2007, 06:59 AM
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I hated how f**kin Michael described hilary
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post Jul 3 2007, 07:05 AM
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It's on my must see list.

No reason to hate a man putting his movie out there. He should make a profit. Everyone should make a profit. Profits rawk (when no one's life is at stake).
 
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QUOTE(kryogenix @ Jul 3 2007, 06:50 AM) *
... so if it evens out, what's the point? At least with the current system you have a choice and more specialists.


And with their system, you have more security and a smaller rich-poor divide. And why exactly are there less specialists? Have statistics for that?
 
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post Jul 3 2007, 10:21 AM
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QUOTE(kryogenix @ Jul 3 2007, 07:50 AM) *
... so if it evens out, what's the point? At least with the current system you have a choice and more specialists.
Played like a fool.


Really, I would love to see your backup on this.

Btw,for those who want to see it.
 
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QUOTE(ersatz @ Jul 3 2007, 08:25 AM) *
And with their system, you have more security and a smaller rich-poor divide. And why exactly are there less specialists? Have statistics for that?


Smaller rich poor divide my ass. Handouts do not make people less poor, it only makes them dependent. Security my ass.

There are fewer specialists because there is less incentive to go study the extra years to become one. "Japan, for example, spends only about half as much of its GDP on health care as the United States. But the comparatively low salaries doctors receive have caused a serious shortage of cancer specialists in a country where cancer rates are rising and the disease is the leading cause of death"[1]

QUOTE(Angelina Taylor @ Jul 3 2007, 11:21 AM) *
Really, I would love to see your backup on this.

Btw,for those who want to see it.

See above, and good job helping to pirate a video. Cuba's system is a piece of shit. Why do you think Castro sent for a Spanish doctor? If Cuba's system is so great, why wouldn't he trust his own country's doctors? Moore even mentions the US rank in worldwide healthcare, but he curiously omits Cuba's rank, which is LOWER than the United States'.

And lol @ taking medical advice from an obese man. That's like getting relationship advice from Doctor Phil.

QED motherf**kers. gb2dakitchen bitches.
 
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post Jul 3 2007, 03:27 PM
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QUOTE(kryogenix @ Jul 3 2007, 01:41 PM) *
And lol @ taking medical advice from an obese man. That's like getting relationship advice from Doctor Phil.



i doubt michael moore is giving advice on how to be healthy. sicko is about the healthcare system and it evident flaws. basically, it details how underinsured and uninsured Americans get screwed.

example, a man died because the insurance company refused to pay for his bone marrow transplant. they called it 'experimental'.

i might watch it but i think michael moore loves controversy too much. that doesn't really help his causes.
 
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QUOTE(Angelina Taylor @ Jul 2 2007, 11:56 PM) *
Yeah I just watched it yesterday. I think it's better than all the movies he's done before, because there's not really a twist to this one and I can't see how people will diss him about it. But they'll probably invent their feeble ways. The comparisons he made between the US, Canada and Europe were unexpected and funny... Not to mention that Cuba appears to have a better healthcare system than the US. I feel bad for Americans.

Oh, they're already doing it. Last week FOX had a report on it, and they did nothing but blast it... calling it "Liberal Propaganda", and saying that all of the facts like the number of people uninsured and other statistics were false. Hahah. That's Fo' news for ya. stubborn.gif
 

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