Oh... HI!!! Haha, it has been ages, as you say. Wow, I didn't recognize the screen name but I remember Katt. Should have put two and two together. I don't remember my password to my Spirited Away account and the password retrieve thing isn't helping me. But yea, bet you haven't seen uninspiredfae in a while... glad you remember and I'm glad you're still around for me to say hi to... so many people are gone.

Awww. Oh well. I noticed there's lots of new people though. I guess it sort of evens out. I sort of miss the old kids like Jason and his raps ahah, Steven (basick) and Michelle (Azrael). Is Sammi still around? Jeez, those kids were my life.

I just PMed Sammi to help with my account. She's in the Feedback forum. The last time I was here Anna was staff, but I haven't looked around all that much yet. You know what though, we probably should PM each other... some staff might get all wrinkly if we go off topic. Unless they are a more lenient now as they claim to be in Feedback.

Oh yeah her name's Anna. Ahahah. I've been gone too long. Too many Michelles on this site...

Okay, I'm going to stop now.

Yeah, I'm going to have to IP ban both of you now.


Word to yo mother.



I might be getting interested in this again; I'm seeing some ideas I don't see pop up back here very often, and this seems like a good group of people to debate with. I would jump in right now, but I'm not really in a critical thinking mindset at the moment. Maybe tomorrow.

I'm not saying any names, I'm saying in general. Not just in this thread, but in a few threads. I wonder how Jews would feel if you guys slammed their holy book. I bet you wouldn't... I bet you wouldn't want to be called Anti-Semitic. Yet some people would have the nerve to be racist against Arabs/Muslims and slam their holy book, if they had an idea, that's Anti-Semitic as well. Anti-Semitic doesn't only pertain to Jews/Israelis.




That's fine you respect religion, and people should. But they don't have to. Nor do they have to be religious. To be honest, I don't care if anyone is religious or not. If you're gonna disrespect any aspect of religion, whether it be Jesus, Moses, Buddha, God, the holy books, any relics etc... you're gonna provoke bodily injuries.

You can debate with me, and give me your opinion of what the problem is with religion or the idea of creationism, but don't automatically discredit it, nor belittle it, nor disrespect it. Because the fact is, you don't know for sure.

You can't use a holy book and try to use it in a literal sense. Because from my understanding, not only has the Bible (for example) been re-translated over 100 times in just English alone, but the English has changed as well. On top of that, when English started to become the norm that's when Latin was dying off (at least from my understanding of the history of languages) And Latin was becoming harder to translate. Then you have Ancient English, Old English, and Modern English.

The Bible wasn't even written during the time of Jesus from my understanding as well, but that's still debatable. There's no proof other than from what the Bible has claimed that Jesus in fact was able to write and read. Everything you read in the bible was actually kept in memory, and told by word of mouth. Until finally someone with writing skills wrote word for word (which is impossible) what Jesus said and did.

So even THAT is a controversy.

This was the same with Muhammad, except Muhammad openly admitted and it is known in the Qur'an that he was illiterate. And that he depended on his followers to transcribe word for word what God revealed to him. And every event that they came across. So the Qur'an was authentic in its entirety.

But... Like I said, you don't have to be religious. Nor respect it, you should, but don't have to.
Heck I don't care what any human does with their lives. It's their lives, their souls, not mine
Just don't disrespect my honor, my belief/religion, and definitely not God. Or I'll just be a total dick. Not a little forgiving angel, screw that ideology.

gosh, thank you tamacracker for being my mouth. you can double post, triple post, quadruple post anytime -- your arguments stand.

and no one here is "bashing the bible" or gods words for that matter by stating their beliefs... the bible was created by mans interpretation of gods word, its not made up of quotes.

[1 John 5:9-13]:

v.9 "We accept man's testimony, but God's testimony is greater because it is the testimony of God, which He has given about His Son.

v. 10 Anyone who believes in the Son of God has this testimony in his heart...

Trust in the LORD with all your heart and lean not on your own understanding

I'm a Deist... more humanist, than anything, but I do believe in God. I agree with both creationism and evolution. I'm opened to any possibility as the possibilities are infinite because while people claim to know all, they cannot (unless they are God). And while hardcore believers and hardcore unbelievers will have a problem with that, I don't care. To each his own.

I just didn't appreciate that you were a dick before you knew that about me (I could just be overly sensitive here). I guess that's your way of defending your beliefs, but you're not going to convince anyone of anything by being mean alone. Especially when we all have preconceived notions and we all believe in something already.

That's why so many of us who've been here debating (and arguing) since the begining learned that religion... isn't a good topic for debate unless those who are debating can keep a good head on their shoulders when their beliefs are thrown in the gutter by the next person who thinks his belief is the only right one... etc.



haha... I knew it!!! LOL.

what?

is it really?

hello.

Yep.. religion is a touchy subject. You should see the Religion/Politics topics in the bodybuilding forum, many people get banned there lol. I try to stay away from that section of the forum :D

How is "slamming: the Jew's holy book any different than slamming any other religions? I dont get it. And I'm part Jewish.


Thats true, from what I remember... the first book written was Matthew, and it was written hundreds of years after Jesus. And I think ALL of the books following it were influenced by it (or the first few books of the New Testament).

Because I realize in American society, anyone who slanders the Jews, their religion, or their Holy Book(s) get slammed to death by the rest of the world because of "Antisemitism" But then like the typical hypocrites that America is, they use their freedom of speech to slander Islam and Christianity.

If you want to get technical all those of Abraham are Semitic. The origins of their religion are of Arabic. Anti Arabic = Anti-Semitic. Unless I'm mistaken... but I'm pretty sure I'm not :)

Why do you think there isn't a thread in this forum slamming the Torah, Talmud (specially the Talmud), nor the Kabbalah?

^ I think I misread what you said, I didnt realize that you were including other religions along with Judaism. Sorry about that!

Oh, I've never really noticed that. I dont think people get bashed for hating on the Jews any more than they do with any other religion.

America doesnt really "slander" Christianity. We definitely slander other religions though, especially ones found in the Middle East.

Well that's the thing, they use their right of free of speach to slander Christianity. And no one protests nor asks for them to stop the bashing.

And as from my witnessing, people get it bad when they even disrespect just one form of Judaism without generalizing :x

^ Huh? People dont bash Christianity that much here.

Yeah, I hate it when people are like that. Just out of curiosity, are you Jewish? lol.

Technically, I'm everything. I follow all authentic religions. But you could just call me a pantheist :)

Just to make what you said a non-bias statement, because while I agree with you, that claim is only half of the pie. Christians use the same right to free speech to slander non-believers and as an excuse for bigotry. It's not like they're denigraded for being a loving neighbor.

Well, that's good. I'm Agnostic, but I somewhat still feel a connection with Christianity and Judaism, due to my family's heritage.

Oh no, don't get me wrong, every fundamentalist of any religion (not so much Buddhist and Hindus) will always have to say something about non-believers and use the freedom of speech card :P

Right. Just so we, and any gullible passerby, are clear on that fact =)