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skateboarding is not a crime
ReggieM
post Jun 27 2007, 05:24 PM
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EH6AYVn2yw4


This was on go skateboarding day, luckily i didnt receive any of this treatment. But do u believe skateboarding is a crime and your opinion of the video.
 
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post Jun 27 2007, 05:45 PM
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Okay, well, I can't watch the video. But skateboarders have been taking crap for a really long time. I don't see the issue of why skateboarding isn't allowed. I think that as long as they are responsible (not jumping strollers or something) that it shouldn't be a huge issue. If they get hurt that should be their own problem and they shouldn't hold the city accountable. They could be doing much worse things. shrug.gif
 
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post Jun 27 2007, 06:10 PM
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The video is remarkably biased. The skaters were breaking the law. Period. If you break the law, expect to be punished by the enforcers of the law.

And clearly it didn't show from the beginning. The cop most likely warned them numerous times before being forced to handcuff them. And did you not notice when the kids were trying to struggle from the policemens' grasp? How thick-headed do you have to be to do that? And then have the nerve to try and gain public sympathy through the internet? Or possibly to seem like cool rebels? Pathetic!!

Sorry, I'm firm believer in the law when it's reasonable and disallowing unruly kids from becoming public disturbances is perfectly reasonable to me. stubborn.gif

As to why skating is illegal? It's a disruption! Do you know how annoying it is to be near roadkill from reckless skaters?

There are skate parks for a reason. Stay there and stop trying to be rebels.
 
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post Jun 27 2007, 07:47 PM
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Skateboarding can be dangerous and many business don't allow skateboarder on their property because they don't want to be responsible if someone gets hurt. I guess thats why
 
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post Jun 27 2007, 08:05 PM
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yes, but there are thousands of other criminals doing much worse things than cops wasting time on skateboarders.

how many people would let anyone choke them for doing nothing?even a police officer. The girl didnt even do anything wrong she was just standing there!
 
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post Jun 27 2007, 09:10 PM
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QUOTE(ojairus @ Jun 27 2007, 05:05 PM) *
yes, but there are thousands of other criminals doing much worse things than cops wasting time on skateboarders.

how many people would let anyone choke them for doing nothing?even a police officer. The girl didnt even do anything wrong she was just standing there!


Ok maybe the cop was to harsh, he didn't have to treat them like they rob a bank or anything. But the kids know they wasn't allowed to skate their, yes he was to rough and I not really a fan of cops.
 
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post Jun 28 2007, 08:14 PM
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QUOTE(ojairus @ Jun 27 2007, 08:05 PM) *
yes, but there are thousands of other criminals doing much worse things than cops wasting time on skateboarders.

how many people would let anyone choke them for doing nothing?even a police officer. The girl didnt even do anything wrong she was just standing there!


There were no criminals there are the time. You can't use that justification (mainly because it's not a justification).

So next time you litter and a cop writes you a ticket, are you going to say "There are people murdering other people. Why don't you go after them and not me!? You're not doing your job right!"

The girl had a skateboard, so she was violating the law. Sure it wasn't necessary for him to put her in a headlock, but clearly she was trying to run away, so what else was he to do?

And running away from a cop is a big deal.

If you think this is police brutality, you haven't seen anything. This is just a bunch of spoiled teenagers who aren't used to being denied what they want.

Kids these days...
 
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That girl is a retard. The cop is a bully. End of story.
 
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post Jun 29 2007, 02:20 AM
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The girl had a skateboard, so she was violating the law

having a skateboard is in no violation of any law.

i mean there not even teenagers yet havnt even hit puberty what cop has a right to choke a 13 yearold kids let alone a girl doing nothing.

They were breaking a city ordiance, not robbing a bank. This kind of force is completely unwarranted. Unless the kids had a gun pointed at the officer or took a swing, the cop was completely wrong in this situation.


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post Jun 29 2007, 01:19 PM
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^^ I agree
 
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post Jun 30 2007, 03:54 AM
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+0 skateboarding is not a crime am i right or am i right.
 
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post Jun 30 2007, 04:13 AM
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Ive encountered some nuisance skateboarders,Plus you really shouldent be skating on public property like sidewalks and stairwells.Thats why they developed the concept of a skatepark with ramps and everything so the public wouldent be harrassed by this.

Though the cop was a bit of a bully so go figure.
 
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post Jun 30 2007, 06:38 AM
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^ i agree. in this specific case, both were in the wrong. it was just a bad combination.

but in general, i think the law is pretty reasonable. it was put in place to keep pedestrians and drivers/passengers safe... i mean, as if the street wasn't crowded enough? i'm not hating on skaters though. i understand why they'd be upset, especially if they weren't harming anyone. but sometimes you just gotta understand why that law was put in place and accept it. unless you have a better idea o;
 
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post Jul 1 2007, 03:30 AM
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people dont skateboard on sidewalks they ride it there its just like a bike basically people just bias skateboarders because of the negative sterotypes.

the citys dont want to build more skateparks because its tax money.
 
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post Jul 1 2007, 11:20 AM
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QUOTE(ojairus @ Jul 1 2007, 03:30 AM) *
people dont skateboard on sidewalks they ride it there its just like a bike basically people just bias skateboarders because of the negative sterotypes.

the citys dont want to build more skateparks because its tax money.

Are you kidding me? Are you speaking for all skateboarders out there? I personally had to kick out skateboarders on our PRIVATE PROPERTY at the YMCA because they were skating in behind of cars backing out of the parking lot, and in front of cars trying to park. I also got ran over by a skateboarder trying to do some stupid trick while jogging. Look, it's simple. You got cars, you got motocycles and bikes, you got skateboarders and then you have folks trying to walk. Cars aren't allowed to run into people and people aren't allowed to run in front of cars. With the same logic, cars aren't allowed to run over skateboarders but skateboarders shouldn't pop out of the blue and scare drivers to death.

At the Y, and many parking lots (such as the library, the mall...etc) there are old drivers (the ones that have slow reactions) and there are kids with permits driving their families. Seriously, crime or no crime, be smart and stay out of parking lots. Accidents happen.

If you want a skatepark.. PAY FOR IT.
 
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post Jul 1 2007, 05:19 PM
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i almost got hit by an motorized wheelchair while walking, why dont they just get of the street huh? and at the library to.
I walk fast so maybe i shouldnt be walking in the parking lot either.
 
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post Jul 1 2007, 05:43 PM
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QUOTE(ojairus @ Jul 1 2007, 05:19 PM) *
i almost got hit by an motorized wheelchair while walking, why dont they just get of the street huh? and at the library to.
I walk fast so maybe i shouldnt be walking in the parking lot either.


Oh wow you must think you've brought up a brilliant point here.

People in wheelchairs need wheelchairs. No one needs skateboards.

As for walking fast, I'm sure that when you walk, you're concentrating on where you're walking. And if you do bump into someone, it won't result in injury of any sort.

Skateboarders aren't watching where they're going. They're watching for the next thing they can grind on whether someone is in front of them or not. And generally, it's more difficult for skateboarders to stop or turn especially when they're moving fast.

It's a common courtesy to keep that out of public areas. And at least where I live there are plenty of skateparks. If not, you can go to your local Academy and purchase your own ramps and skate in your own private area.
 
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post Jul 1 2007, 06:02 PM
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QUOTE(ojairus @ Jul 1 2007, 05:19 PM) *
i almost got hit by an motorized wheelchair while walking, why dont they just get of the street huh? and at the library to.
I walk fast so maybe i shouldnt be walking in the parking lot either.

Logic that suits a seven year-old. It's nice to be so young.

I suppose you ignored my observations that your skater friends would jump in front/back of vehicles many times their size? I haven't seen anyone stuck in a wheelchair attempt to do that yet.

If skaterboarders practice the same conscientous discipline, develope some common sense (for the sake of their safety and those around them), and follow the law they'd be no different than someone harmlessly riding a bike at the park. With that said, most skaters I've seen, and have the displeasure of meeting, lack both discipline and common sense (and courtesy). Thus, it follows that the law should limit their activities to designated areas.

Last but not least, SKATEBOARDING IS NOT A CRIME, IT'S A(N)MISHAP/ACCIDENT WAITING TO HAPPEN.

Have a nice day.
 
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Skateboarding has always been part of the punk, anti-authority lifestyle, and as a result, the mere act of skateboarding is in itself seen as an act of defiance.

This can lead to harsher treatment of skateboarders, since cops view them as trouble makers.

Skateboarding is not inherently dangerous; bicycles, rollerblades, or even just feet can be equally dangerous (see parkour).

locally, we don't have much of a skateboarder problem. They stick to residential streets, and there are a few skateparks built. And while they will occasionally skate on the sidewalk of the local strip malls, i'm pretty most the ones who do so would crash into a wall first before knocking someone over, but i do understand not all skateboarders are that considerate.

However; i have one question for everyone hating skateboarders. In cities, bicycle messengers are often more dangerous than skateboarders, traveling at much faster speeds, weaving in and out of traffic and ignoring traffic rules. And yet bike messengers are allowed by cities, while skateboarders are eradicated.
 
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post Jul 2 2007, 08:35 AM
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QUOTE(sadolakced acid @ Jul 2 2007, 12:30 AM) *
Skateboarding has always been part of the punk, anti-authority lifestyle, and as a result, the mere act of skateboarding is in itself seen as an act of defiance.

This can lead to harsher treatment of skateboarders, since cops view them as trouble makers.

Skateboarding is not inherently dangerous; bicycles, rollerblades, or even just feet can be equally dangerous (see parkour).

locally, we don't have much of a skateboarder problem. They stick to residential streets, and there are a few skateparks built. And while they will occasionally skate on the sidewalk of the local strip malls, i'm pretty most the ones who do so would crash into a wall first before knocking someone over, but i do understand not all skateboarders are that considerate.

However; i have one question for everyone hating skateboarders. In cities, bicycle messengers are often more dangerous than skateboarders, traveling at much faster speeds, weaving in and out of traffic and ignoring traffic rules. And yet bike messengers are allowed by cities, while skateboarders are eradicated.

Again, skateboarders are not "inherent dangerous" and are as harmless as someone riding a bike if and only if they grow some common sense (among the other qualities I talked about). If only the ones that I had to kick out at the Y had the same consideration of crashing into the wall before they crashed into me... then I might have been a little more understanding. Unfortunately, not even a "I'm sorry" was uttered... just a laugh and he took off.

By saying that bike messengers are "allowed" I hope you're not saying that they are unrestricted, because the law does regulate their activity. Also, as a profession, their weaving in and out of traffic and ignoring traffic rules (though illegal because they do get fined) are insured. Accidents are unavoidable. For EVERYONE's safety, there is a "No Fault Law" that guarantees that everyone involved will be covered. Do skateboarders have the same safety guarantee? Or is my insurance going to cover the skateboarder when I hit him because he jumps in front/back of my vehicle? That is usually the case.

The Messenger Bike Manual states that those in this profession MUST OBEY TRAFFIC LAWS, or else they will be fined just as any other motorist who breaks the law =). There are designated bike messenger "where to ride" laws, and again, they will be fined if they don't follow the law. There are laws on "how to ride" even. A bike messenger's ticket works the same and cost the same as if they operate a car... etc.

Guess what? They're allowed, but they're restricted... and did I mention that it's a profession?

So.. why are skateboarders whining so much when all they do is get yelled at, get told to scram, and get a slap on the wrist when everyone else, gets it worse? Are they working when they make people's lives miserable? If they are, well, we'll just have to deal with it, and they would have to follow the law like the rest of us. If they are not, well... SCRAM!
 
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QUOTE(ojairus @ Jul 1 2007, 08:30 AM) *
people dont skateboard on sidewalks they ride it there its just like a bike basically people just bias skateboarders because of the negative sterotypes.

the citys dont want to build more skateparks because its tax money.

Technically your not supposed to ride bikes on the sidewalk either.
 
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I cant stand this subject, if you own the property do what you want. If you don't GTFO. If you were to skateboard in the parking lot of Krogers and hit your head and you gain say a $200,000 dollar hospital bill for surgery, stay and transportation, guess who has to pay that bill? Krogers, its a god damn joke. If I ever catch a kid riding a skateboard in our driveway I will kill them, with everyone in the world sue happy, you have to cover your ass or you will wake up someday with NO money at all.
 
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^ EXACTLY

even if the skater says he will not sue right, all of that goes right out the window when you have a nice fat medical bill at your door that insurance is refusing to cover.
 
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skateboarding is banned by city ordinance many time.

bike messengers are only regulated.

see some disparity in treatment?
 
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post Jul 2 2007, 07:16 PM
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Disparity in insurance coverage, professional liability, fines... etc.

Disparity you say? Yea, I see some.



Hi Mr. Acid... we haven't butt heads in a while =). So, how you been? Aren't you going to Taiwan?
 

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