properly* grammar*

I hope you did that on purpose.

yes i did. i was wondering if 1angel3 would notice. if the dad and the daughter didn't notice then they would be complete idiots. they sound redneck.

I have proof theres God. out of all the animals in existance humans are the only ones who are aware of their existance and have a guilty conscience. a dog can crap in the house and wont feel bad unles you yell at it. but if a person kills another person they feel bad about it. and thats why murder is illegal everywhere on earth. this is our conscience that God put on our hearts. also the Holy Bible. it was perserved by monks who copyed it down work for work by hand every letter and would burn it if it was incorrect by one letter. when all the books were analysed nowhere did any of them conflict each other. how could a series of book written over 1000s of miles and 1000s of year not conflict each other? only if they where written by the same person: The Holy Spirit! in Christ,


Hayde-The-Rocket-Boy.

I'm a scientist.

P.S. You're dumb. You're dad did you no service, although he wins slightly in the grammar competition. You had less errors but he typed more therefore he had a lower percentage of error.

Anyways, back on topic. Until someone proves to me that 'god' exists, I refuse to believe in him/her.

Edit: Sorry about the bashing Arjuna :( no more from me

hayden, your my bestfriend, but i can't back you up. so what if there was a bible writen, you can transport a book thousands of miles in thousands of years. its quite possible. haha, my dog knows its bad to crap on the carpet, thats why she'll wine to go outside so she doesn't get yelled at!!! haha.

ha-ha


I'm a scientist too.

SCIENCE TOGETHER!

(I wonder if anyone knows where that's from.)

i dont mean to brag but im like... really smart. like im really scientific and very anti supersticious. so how dare you insult my intelligence (o but i cant spell). i would not believe in our true lord and saviour Lord Jesus Christ unless i had scintific evendence (and of course the Holy Spirit burning inside of me). o and God is omnipresent (he's everywhere at once!)

Wow, I think this topic is really intresting.
I'm really not sure if I should be posting here or not but I think I will give it a try.

Me.. I am fully open to what everybody has to say. I will not bash you for what you have to say. I am just here to put what I have to say in just for the hell of it.
I am not perfect nor do I know anyone else out there that is. Other then the first smart ass that responds to my post with " OH IM PERFECT!?! he he.." Bullshit. Get over yourself. Go jackoff some where because you have to big of a head. Anyway. please excuse my grammar.. it sucks, I know.
Yes, I am a Jesus lover. I think all that the bible said is true and what not. Yay for me right. Psh.
I think I really suck at being a jesus lover. I mean, how f**ked up can I be? I smoke, I sware, I drink, I have sex, I am dating a buddist, I hardly go to church, Almost all my friends are Jesus haters, and still think I am going to a better place after I die? Psh, it's worth a try right? I guess everyone has to put there waight on something you know? It's what is keeping everyone sane. (No Nate you are insane. <3) SO, my reason for this post is.. please don't think your better then somebody else just because what they say is not to your likings because it's what they are putting their waight on. It's what is keeping them some what sane.

Never trusts someone who knows everything, for they are always wrong.

I do not know the face of god. I cannot argue the finer points of the bible, like why homosexuality is considered a greater sin than eating shellfish, even though they are both condemned in the same book.

Religion, or more specifically, certain sects of christianity, have often crusaded against science that conflicted with their beliefs. They have denied that the earth was round, they have denied that the earth orbited the sun, and they have denied evolution. The "science" you learn from these sects is no science; it is no real explanation. It would, therefore, be possible to receive and entire "education" that consists of almost truths. You could, for instance, attend a staunch christian college that denies evolution. What you would receive there would not be considered "science".

Science is not in the business of disproving the existence of god. At the most scientific of universities, you will find courses in religion, you will find scientists who believe in god.

I do not deny the existence of god because I am a scientist. Rather, I am a scientist who happens to believe in god. I do not believe in god because of the bible, or because of evangelism. I believe in god because of my understanding of science and my personal experiences.

You may choose to deny science because of your belief in god. But I won't deny god because of science.

As far as your status as an idiot goes, based on the facts available, it appears you have proven that quite well.

Banneker. Haha! I'm laughing at your miserable life. I am stubborn? What are you? Believing in some'thing' that can't talk to you, can't hold you, can't comfort you? You're a PSYCHO.

This is beyond me. How can God exist? How is that possible? Because you read it in a book? I read in a book that trees were walking. Hmm ... using your logic, trees do walk. How dandy.

THE HUMAN MORALITY
(1)has been neurologically mapped out
(2)our "conscience" is a natural evolutionary phenomena which is purely biological
(3)sociopathic behavior demonstrates the pliability of our conscience and its biological nature
(4)semblances have been shown in non-human species: the great apes for example
(5)is often found to be cultural, geographical, and societal: even murder is accepted by some
(6)can be naturally explained and understood

BIBLICAL SCRIPTURE
(1)conflict between different texts are common
(2)conflict within a singular book is often common
(3)conflict within multiple books is even that much more common
(4)take the double-take story of adam and eve presented in genesis: did adam come before eve or not?
(5)they do have conflict, but if you were going to argue the point: it's more probable that we got lucky than that men walk on water, rise from the dead, cure the sick, and turn water to wine.
(6)historical inaccuracies, geological inaccuracies, archaeological contradictions, scientific challenges: the bible can not be trusted as a reliable text


The only thing you proved was your ignorance, kid.

Please, you're not going to fool anyone. If you were a scientific person, you'd realise that religion is not science. In fact, they contradict each other quote frequently.

Because you are such an intelligent, scientific individual please explain to me, if you hold your Bible as supreme truth why dinosaurs were never mentioned even though now we have concrete, physical proof of their existence? And concrete, physical proof that they roamed the earth before humans?

And if God created the earth and the humans at the same time (in the same week, in fact), how could dinosaurs have existed before them?

What am I doing in this topic? I'm such a hypocrite. Oh well, I might as well stick around with my fellow heretics (in other words, Nate ).

I have a challenge for the simple minded atheist. Read a book called "The Urantia" then come back and try to tell us how you read the whole book and it still doesn't make sense and God isn't real. So I can laugh for a couple minutes at your stupidity :)

Also let me mention, the book, "The Urantia" OWNED thousands of scientists, scholars, philosophers etc... who all were either agnostic or atheist.

LOL @ Atheists

Oh wait let me mention a few other books too... that all owned atheists and converted them to believer:

The God Theory
The God Particle
The Science Of Religion


But of course, as ignorant as atheists are, they wont dare read the bible, and if they do they'll simply take it out of contexts.

Anyone here wanna prove God is fake and made by man?
GO to this link: www.bodybuilding.com/forum
register, and go to religion/politics and challenge my Muslim brother, "SyrianKid" or "EOY", or "TranceNRG: to a debate and try to disprove the existence of God :P

I would love to watch yall fail miserably.

Your so stupid, your trying to make yourself look bigger and better then the Atheists. Your no better. Everyone has their point of veiw. You have no right to laugh at what they think is true.

LOL @ You're so stupid.

The problem we have here is simple. Lil youngsters who are atheist who think they're always right and no one can prove them wrong. They use science as their backbone and their guide. The problem is, scientist are always opened to being proved wrong. They look forward to being proved wrong. When something is unexplainable it is left as it is until technology and imagination grows.

You wanna know what made me post what I posted?

When I read this:
THE HUMAN MORALITY
(1)has been neurologically mapped out
(2)our "conscience" is a natural evolutionary phenomena which is purely biological
(3)sociopathic behavior demonstrates the pliability of our conscience and its biological nature
(4)semblances have been shown in non-human species: the great apes for example
(5)is often found to be cultural, geographical, and societal: even murder is accepted by some
(6)can be naturally explained and understood

A human trying to author the human mind... not even a scholar, nor a scientist, not a philosopher... nothing special but a young human who's a hard core atheist who feels superior over those who are religious.

again lol @ callin me stupid.

At least I can believe in both creation and evolution.

EDIT: You were right about one thing though, from what I have witnessed... I am bigger than all the atheist in this forum board. As far as better, I MAY be better physically/health-wise but that's about it.

First of my dad didn't type it, I did, I take the blame. Reason I why typed it is because my dad don't type very fast. No I didn't use him to intimidate any of you. He wanted to help me because he didn't appreciate the name calling. He also said that you wasted to much time attacking my grammar rather than my point of view. I would feel better if you attack my point of view because we would never agree on everything. You said we sound like rednecks. Thanks for the complement! however we are very nice African Americans. I didn't come here to play the name game. I came here to share my opinion and maybe learn something on this subject that I didn't know. All that I have learn from you so far is how stupid that you think I am. My dad has a question. If the Hubble telescope is picking up images in space that happen millions of years ago because it takes that long for light to travel that far to reach us. Then how can a beame of light reach that far out into space and measure distance. If that were possible then the beame of light won't reach its destination for another two or three million light years. Do you agree? If not then please explain.


I use that as an example and when I explained the magnets, I was referring to the invisible force that flows within the matter we call matel. A child can explain how magnet works ex: negative to negative pulls away from each other and the opposite is true about negative to positive. I was going deeper then that. I was taking about the unexplainable. YOU know what I'm talking about. As far as God is concern, I feel that it is easier for me to prove he is real than it would be for you to prove he does not exist. Ex: Have you ever heard of blessings? or have you ever tried prayer?
It works for me. Now! prove your point.

..There is a reason trust there is God is called faith. you cant prove or disprove yet. both sides have their points and rebuttals, but theres no way for us to know for positive. it is the result of being idiot humans who cant even understand why someones oppion is different without calling them stupid. if this was an actual debate tho, with true arguments, it would be worth reading.

This was not a debate

Oh yeah... and what if there's proof of Jesus existing? What do you do then?

Do this, look up, "The Shroud Of Turin" It's not fake, it's real.

On top of that, from what has been studied, this figure happens to have a perfectly symmetrical bone structure. Which is entirely impossible for a human to obtain. Because one side of you is of your father, and the other side is of your mother. Both cannot be symmetrically perfect.

If that doesn't help, then I recommend you get the book, "The Urantia" if you don't, that's fine. But don't come over here tellin us who's right and who's wrong when you yourself don't even have the slightest clue of reality.

^^ I agree

I went to Catholic school. I was one of the 3 wise men (it was an all girls school ) in our school play. I sang the songs in chapel. And believe it or not, I have a copy of the Holy Bible in my room in which I've read and highlighted/annotated. I wouldn't actively debate in something I knew nothing about. A friend of mine is also an Atheist and he attends church to learn about Christianity for the same intentions I do.

Don't make accusations that can't be backed up.

Also, care to name a few key points of those books? I don't plan on going out to buy any of them.

lol Cute... but going to a Church, or Catholic school whatever isn't gonna help. Why?

Here's the problem:

1. The Sect of Christianity
Every sect of Christianity has a different conformity, different life style, and different translation/understanding/teaching

2. The Bible Teacher (who teaches the scriptures, and what they mean)
Then you have the teacher, they're gonna use their personal opinion, their personal view, their personal translation/interpretation of what they read and teach that to kids or adults who they themselves don't understand.



If you wanna learn "Christianity", read books on Christology. If you wanna learn Christianity... you're better off studying every religion.

Cuz I can make the claim that Jesus meditated, and you find that to be foolish. When in fact Jesus DID meditate.

Name a few key points?... You don't plan on buying them, so figure it out yourself. Since you already made up your mind, that is of course.

Also I call bullshit on your so-called friend being an atheist and goin to church or whatever you claim. I can feel it... thanks for trying though.

P.S. Clairvoyance look it up

There is nothing more dangerous than a little knowledge and the certainty that you are right.

1angel3, you and your "father" have displayed a very incomplete understanding of science, and use your ignorance as an example of science's ignorance. Now, I feel no obligation to inform you, as I sincerely doubt you would listen to my explanation, much less accept it. Also, it would take me a while to type up (since I must provide all elementary level background), and I am, quite frankly, lazy.

Your rebuttal amounts to an obvious and embarrassing ad hominem attack. And, we're supposed to take you seriously? Actually address the points presented or don't refer to them at all; this is supposed to be a debate. You're expected to recognize arguments and actually address them.